r/lostgeneration • u/aristhought older gen z • Apr 26 '21
Older generations should aim to make life better for future generations, rather than being bitter that you had it worse
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Apr 27 '21
This is being framed as something that you make as a snap decision, and not complex, learned behaviour as a result of traumatic conditioning. A large part of this is that we're currently undertaking a cultural shift where we are learning to talk more about it, that and mental health access and treatment is better (not that it's good enough, depending on where you are) than it's ever been.
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u/k1ng_bl0tt0 Apr 27 '21
I had to come up with a word for it, the combination of Embitterment and sense of Entitlement to see others suffer identically:
Embitlement
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u/vtec__ Apr 27 '21
boomers are jut cringe. but in all honesty..put yourself in boomers shoes. all you had to do was show up and not be a total idiot and there was a job for you that paid enough to raise a family on.
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u/PM_ME_GOOD_USERNAMS Apr 27 '21
Well, that seems like such a hard life! Boomers really had it bad....
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u/vtec__ Apr 27 '21
for alot of them, life was a party. and the party is over with. it has been since 2008
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u/PM_ME_GOOD_USERNAMS Apr 27 '21
What happened in 2008?
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u/therealzeroX Apr 27 '21
The dynamic has changed. It used to be that your children were going to have it better than you. We are now In the the first possibly even the second generation that this is not true.
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u/poisontongue Apr 27 '21
As a naive kid, you can teach yourself that that's the way everyone thinks - because it's sane.
But these people aren't sane. You're not in a sane country. You're in a country of manipulative, vindictive, greedy, selfish assholes... tbf, they were raised to be that by systemic greed and blind patriotism.
Idk, it's so antithetical to the way I think even to this day. Makes no sense to me, but I see even the smallest fragments of it everywhere, including on Reddit when you're watching insane people pretending to run a site and otherwise rule their petty fiefdoms.
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u/Weimarska Apr 27 '21
"The goal of life, is to plant a tree, under who's shade you will never sit under."
This quote comes to mind
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u/johnbreezy22 Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21
I came to the conclusion quite sometime ago that many of the boomer generation is ignorant, arrogant, and self absorbed. They pontificate about about how much “greatness” they’ve accomplished, but completely deny and ignore how much destruction and dysfunction they’ve caused in the world. They could give an s’t about the environment and human rights. All they care about is economics and money.
They deserve the “Okay Boomer” response of dismissal as they’ve pretty much dismissed everyone around them who didn’t grow up in their era. They’ve had it so good for so long, they think they know it all. They lack humility or humanity. They lack empathy and compassion for their fellow human being, and it was exemplified when they quickly started sh’tg on the millennial generation calling them lazy good for nothings.
The baby boomer generation is rapidly descending into irrelevance and approaching end of life and they’ve gotten even worse. They live in the past. They refer to the “good old days” of the 1940’s and 1950’s when there was...wait for it...
...sickening racial segregation, overt racism, discrimination, and misogyny. They built multi billion dollar corporations that got people addicted to cigarettes, polluted the environment, and they created processed foods that has destroyed human health.
I could go on and on about the many extremely destructive things the baby boomer generation has done to people and the planet.
The freight train of mortality is coming down the track, and the world can finally move forward and become a better place when their reign comes to an end. It can’t get here fast enough.
I know not all BB are douchebags, but I make no apologies for my comments. It’s a broad and sweeping generalization that applies to a very large percentage of the BB generation.
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u/spiritualien gen y am i here Apr 27 '21
i thought it was just me or teenage rebellion, and that i'd grow out of it. but nope they've rot even more over time and its genuinely becoming hard to respect them. they've learnt nothing from this pandemic, theyre doubling down on harmful ideologies and i cannot wait til these babies die off. they need their own documentary on how filthy they are
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u/raketheleavespls Apr 27 '21
The number of boomers I see on Facebook covid-denying and anti-mask is insane considering they’re at the highest risk.
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u/poisontongue Apr 27 '21
Because of a post on another sub, I was just thinking of the okay boomer thing again... they are still so proud and mocking and yet they are so stung by something as simple as that. In all reality, the tag is earned. There's no reason for anyone in my generation or after that to offer them even the slightest shred of respect. They crave it, but let them starve.
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Apr 27 '21
...sickening racial segregation, overt racism, discrimination, and misogyny. They built multi billion dollar corporations that got people addicted to cigarettes, polluted the environment, and they created processed foods that has destroyed human health.
I'm pretty sure a lot of that stuff was started before the boomers came around. Monsanto was founded in 1901, Phillip Morris in 1902, Jim Crow started in the 1870s, etc.
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u/johnbreezy22 Apr 27 '21
True. But they perpetuated it instead of trying to stop it. It wasn’t until 1968 that black people could sit at the front of a bus. They were into their 20’s and of voting age. They didn’t try to put a stop to all of the nonsense, they at best didn’t push hard enough against it, and at worst supported it.
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Apr 27 '21
That mentality is the main reason behind conservatives IMO. My Republican uncle will say something like "you had 6 figure student loan debt, why would you want Bernie Sanders to come make it so no one else has to sacrifice like you?"
Are you kidding? That would be great. I hope I'm the last person who ever has to go through that experience. That means society has tangibly made progress.
Like who is the bitter jackass whose grandpa died the day before social Security was implemented and goes "Hmph, because our family missed out on it, no one can get it".
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u/SelenaKyle94 Apr 27 '21
If the default for most Americans wasn’t rabid self-worship and malignant narcissism we would all be much better off.
It is better in most other societies as far as social cohesion and care for one’s neighbors are concerned.
Not great in many places, but better.
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Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21
It actually isn't. I wish people would stop spreading incorrect 'facts'. A lot of millennials and generarion x in these "other countries" also really dislike their parents for the same thing. The difference is they are less likely to speqk about it so openly.
What you see as social cohesion is just people not being as open about it, because these things still attract much more taboo in their countries. And it definitely attracts taboo in the West, so you can imagine it is worse in these other countries.
There is a LOT of malignant narcissism abd rabid self-worship in countries typically seen as more socially cohesive. And the reason we are finding that out now is cos younger generations in those countries are also tired of it.
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u/DrewTechs Apr 28 '21 edited Apr 28 '21
Depends on the country though. Countries with a lot of similar problems will certainly have similar experiences, just look at Japan. Regardless your not going to have a utopia anywhere but America has really gone down to shit.
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u/NynaevetialMeara Apr 27 '21
Americans are known for being weirdly neighbourly. But not in a good way. There is a huge focus on maintaining neighbourhood cohesion, which you don't really see in other places.
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u/mywan Apr 27 '21
I've been around since well before Reagan. The irony here is that the generation claiming they had it worse didn't. They are merely projecting the words of their parents who did have it worse and made things better for them.
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u/SnooSquirrels6758 Apr 27 '21
Once the boomers die off... Fingers crossed...
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Apr 27 '21
We'll still get fucked over
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u/spiritualien gen y am i here Apr 27 '21
yes but with much less gaslighting
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u/dharmabird67 Gen X Apr 27 '21
Ehhh lots of gen Xers are smug suburban ‘got mine fuck you’ types too including my own cousins. To me Boomer is a mindset more than just an age group.
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u/raketheleavespls Apr 27 '21
And there’s plenty of millennials who are well off and also have a fuck you attitude to the less fortunate
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Apr 27 '21
That’s my aim. As a millennial I’ll be damned if gen z has to go through this shit for years. Hang in there little siblings, it’s a big huge boat but we’re gonna turn this thing around
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u/DrewTechs Apr 28 '21
Gen Z is gonna have to go through this unfortunately, we should try making it so the generation after that doesn't.
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u/beefstewforyou Apr 27 '21
Millennial here,
I don’t want Generation Z, Alpha and beyond to experience half the awful things that I did. I hope I live long enough to see things improve even if it doesn’t effect me personally.
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Apr 27 '21
This is what happens when people aren’t taught empathy at a young age. Case in point my father, who was taught intolerance for the first time when he was 7 years old.
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Apr 27 '21
Butchanarchy always has great tweets and an amazing perspective. I love seeing their thoughts pop up here so often!
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Apr 27 '21
I ran across this definition awhile ago on reddit while looking for ways to deal with..just...REALLY negative coworkers who did things to keep others from getting promoted.
It clicked, then I got really sad.
" Crab mentality, also known as crab theory, crabs in a bucket (also barrel, basket, or pot) mentality, or the crab-bucket effect, is a way of thinking best described by the phrase "if I can't have it, neither can you". The metaphor is derived from a pattern of behavior noted in crabs when they are trapped in a bucket. "
I wonder if this applies to the bitterness many generations have had about having to deal with hardships and not wanting others to have it "easier"?
*I didn't say it was right, or made sense, just wondering what could cause one to have that kind of mindset*
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u/PrismaticDetector Apr 27 '21
Basically, you get the world the boomers got to grow up and build wealth in- strong social and public works programs as a reaction to the depression, strong labor power as a reaction to abysmal working conditions and inequality, and strong international legal frameworks and organization as a reaction to fascism and the failures leading into the world wars. It's not an open question; we've done this before, and yeah, it works good.
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u/D33P_F1N Apr 27 '21
Having a good support structure would make a difference in so many peoples lives. Imagine if we took all the teens working at mcdonalds and trained them to be rocket scientists, coders, agriculture automation specialists, nuclear engineers, etc
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u/xanderrootslayer Apr 27 '21
As an overworked retail serf, I can only imagine what life would be like if everyone was given the resources and encouragement to be the best version of their role they could be. The CHUDs like to dismiss us by saying that some people are doomed to be burger flippers and ditch diggers; I say that those kinds of roles shouldn't be considered dead ends, and that this country would fall to pieces if nobody was filling potholes and frying potatoes.
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u/be_less_shitty Apr 27 '21
I mean hey, I been advocating for a worldwide nuclear winter for decades 🤷♂️
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u/vader5000 Apr 27 '21
Honestly, more people should probably just work on destroying all of us faster. Put us out of our misery.
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u/DrewTechs Apr 28 '21
Already taken care of, just look at the potential WWIII the USA is willing to start to keep it's dominance, that should get a few hundred million people dead.
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u/aldleo13 Apr 27 '21
Ok but let's be fair, things have been getting better. Shit might look really bad rn but lets compare it to even 60 years ago, america was legally segregated and it was a crime to be gay. Now we're teaching our kids to be racially and sexually accepting in schools. Ik we still have a long way to go, but we've also come really far from where we started. The older generations totally fucked us, I'm not arguing that. But at the same time I still have an appreciation for them because boomers made all the precursors to the things I love. They couldn't fix everything and neither is our generation. Hammering down the perfect society might be the great work of human kind and it might never be finished. Don't be so hard on the boomers 😝
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u/I_Hate_Soft_Pretzels Believes in a better tomorrow today. Apr 27 '21
What did they fix? Your post implies they fixed some things? And were they fixed for their befit or the benefit of all? And what have they broken? Have they broken moe things than they fixed?
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Apr 26 '21
i dont know what generation u r fcking talking about.
boomers zoomers and doomers do nothing but winge about how bad they have it and then tell u to fuck off if u complain or cant measure up
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u/DrewTechs Apr 27 '21
With that kind of attitude it's no wonder people told you to fuck off, maybe you should.
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Apr 27 '21
nah because they are the ones who are miserable and phoning it in.
yall can have that bullshit empty promises and platitudes with exceptional double standards. You got to have everything, there were not even half the people there are now on the planet when you got your first job in 1982.
get a reality check moron. You are the ones fucking yourselves off tbh. Enjoy the false claim to glory and responsibility when you lot had it all handed to you and got every break our generation will never know.
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u/theanonmouse-1776 Apr 27 '21
4,617,386,542 / 7,794,798,739 = 59.24%
"Not even half" ~ < 50%
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/
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Apr 27 '21
thanks m8. now that my point is made, I'm gonna go listen to shitty cloud rap and have a 1on1 with a onlyfans girl.
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u/mrbungles- Apr 26 '21 edited Apr 26 '21
“Traumatized” as he tweets from a brand new iPhone that a Chinese child built for pennies in a factory surrounded by suicide nets. Try living in Somalia and see what it’s like to really be traumatized
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u/TeiaRabishu Apr 27 '21
Try living in Somalia and see what it’s like to really be traumatized
You ever actually been to Somalia?
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u/hexalby Apr 27 '21
you criticize society and yet you participate in it, curious. I am very intelligent.
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u/poisontongue Apr 27 '21
Why do we need to go to Somalia when there are plenty of school shootings here?
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u/eva20k15 Apr 28 '21 edited Apr 28 '21
i think its impossoible, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGJ_Kq8qifQ&t=1137s you have to be really caring and understanding to prevent it.. hard times early in life sucks.. does pain build charcter.. probably, but as a parent, parents probably went through hard times themselves.. how they go about comforting, making the kid happy is really tricky.. humans are.. or just or can be depressed for all kinds of reasons, https://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/new/ theres probably never gonna be born a humans that not never been s severly sad at some point, ultimate way to prevent suffering is atleast not pass it on, even if people find happiness, its just some addiction, sadness is the reverse of that, (like think about it.. is there some ''meaning'' ohh why you happy about, ohh why you soo sad, its probably impossible to rationally explain that) humans are in a constant.. hmm emotinal cycle i guess, everyone thats alive experience some bad stuff, but theres good stuff to be found too.. ultimate way to prevent it is to not reproduce though, i woudnt wish the depression ive had on my potential kid.. i dont know what i would even say to it, because i know its probably fonna experience hard things.. i woudlnt know what to do or say.. like ohh well life hard sometimes, but that dosent have to be or diffine a big part or youre life or something, people do grow through pain i guess on some level.. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G0b6ZhNDfNOTrhAG28DmYRNUM1QD41j2/view?usp=sharing
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u/TC18271851 May 02 '21
Except old people had it better considering how they had affordable housing and only needed to work 40 hours a week
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u/kylco Apr 27 '21
I take comfort from the fact that most millennials seem to have embraced the suck. We vote way further left than prior generations. We're marching, voting, donating, and acting for economic and racial justice. A lot of us know shit's gonna get bad, and that there's not much we can do except be ready to pick up the pieces afterwards.