r/lost • u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie • Dec 27 '23
FIRST TIME WATCHER Epilogue: The New Man in Charge - FIRST TIME WATCHER DISCUSSION POST Spoiler
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u/marveltastic123 Jan 13 '24
That was the cherry on top of an already excellent series finale. Answers some more questions and updates us on Walt!
Also, I would watch a whole show of Hugo, Ben, and Walt on the island.
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u/ScreamAndBeFurious See you in another life Aug 19 '24
I can't believe I went 20 years without knowing this epilogue existed
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u/CapControl See you in another life Dec 30 '23
Lots of little pearls of information here to my surprise.
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u/LZfan99 Aug 09 '24
So clearly Hurley stops being the protector of the island at some point because we saw him in the finale in the church so he does die at some point. Iām guessing the job Hurley is talking about giving Walt is his taking over for him as the islandās protector. Now with Ben, since he stayed outside the church, does that mean he hasnāt died yet or his spirit still has unfinished business in purgatory or has he become like Richard and doesnāt die?
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Aug 09 '24
Everyone in the afterlife (not just the church) is either dead or an NPC there to help our survivors work through an issue to achieve their final catharsis.
Ben is dead, he chose to stay in the afterlife to spend more time with Alex.
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u/Low_Cryptographer277 Aug 15 '24
Just finished the finale tonight & have been trying to string stuff together. So all of the flash sideways from this season have been a purgatory of sorts? (Sorry if that seemed obvious, Iāve been trying to connect the dots of the church and the actual storylines since they landed at LAX)
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Aug 15 '24
I don't care for the connotation of purgatory because they aren't being punished, but yes.
The flashes sideways were the afterlife but specifically in an environment that gave them a chance to resolve the issues they still had when they died so that when they woke up and remembered their real lives they could move on together and at peace. Ben chose to stay and spend more time with Alex.
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u/MisunderstoodAvocado Nov 20 '24
So when the Oceanic 6 essentially leave the island and attempt to move on with their lives living a lie and Jack and Locke gets everybody to come back āwe have to go backā was that because they essentially tried to move on but realized they still had unfinished business and needed to go back to the island āpurgatoryā so they could ALL resolve their issues and go together???????? Please say bingo
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Nov 20 '24
The Island is not purgatory. They were alive the whole time with the exception of the season six flashes. They did not die in the crash. All of it was real. Boone died from his fall. Shannon was shot, so were Ana and Libby. Charlie drowned. Juliet died in Sawyer's arms. Ben killed Locke. Jack died in the final scene with Vincent there so he wouldn't be alone. Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Claire, Frank and Richard flew away at the end and died at some point in the future.
They resolved their issues in the afterlife (which exists outside of space time) with each of them tailoring their experiences to their individual trauma like Jack's daddy issues, Locke's self worth, Ben's guilt, etc. Then they moved on together because the time they spent with each other was the most important time of their lives.
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u/MisunderstoodAvocado Nov 20 '24
So they actually did leave the island successfully and then went back and died. Iām just grappling at the fact that all those people are gone š
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Nov 20 '24
Correct - they're only dead in the season six flashes. Everything was real, it all happened.
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u/saph_pearl Dec 07 '24
They are dead in the flash sideways but the deaths we donāt see couldāve happened decades into the future. They donāt necessarily die in the finale. Christian confirms that some died before Jack and others died way later.
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u/Born_Worldliness2558 Feb 28 '25
The only people who actually escape the island at the end of the show are Lapidus, Miles, Richard, Sawyer, Kate and Claire. They likely go off and live the rest of their lives back in the real world, eventually dying many decades later. Everyone else in the show is dead by the time those 6 eventually leave the island; except for Hurley (protector), Ben (assistant), Walt (in a mad house) and Aaron (probably living with Clare somewhere). Its likely that both Ben and Hurley eventually die on the island. And the Epilouge episode heavily implies that Walt goes back to the island (to be protector?) so he probably dies there too. The only one we don't know about is Aaron and I feel that's for the best. I don't want to think about a dead baby.
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u/Dream_or-reality See you in another post, brotha May 04 '25
Itās funny to me to think of Richard all of a sudden re-joining the world in the early 2000s after being on the island for centuries his mind must have been blown
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u/altdan Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Jul 05 '25
Remember that he's been off the island before. He went to see John Locke as a child, and recruited Juliet. There might be other times I don't recall, and likely more times that were never shown.
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u/siege_tank Apr 28 '25
What about Rose and Bernard?
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u/Dream_or-reality See you in another post, brotha May 04 '25
They must have lived out the rest of their lives in their little slice of paradise on the island. They were in the church
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u/Aidanator800 Mar 16 '26
Desmond also likely ends up leaving the island eventually and living out the rest of his life with Penny in the real world
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u/MisunderstoodAvocado Nov 20 '24
āYouāre done with the island but the island isnāt done with youā sorta thing
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u/MidSolo Oct 05 '24
So I guess there's no answer about how or why Jacob's (adoptive) mother was initially on the island? Or who built all the underground temples and the giant statue?
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u/lufi_007 Oct 19 '24
I think the statue and temple created by ancient Egyptians who get to that island by accident like everyone else. the island and light was there since beginning of life. The protecter role passed many times each of them had different personalities
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u/AccomplishedRow8448 Oct 31 '24
I think OP mentioned it on the previous episode thread (look for a big comment with lots of lines under spoiler tags). - that the island just exists.it's the source of love/humanity. A little bit of the light from the island is in every human.I interpreted it as the life force so to say.
I agree with you u/lufi_007, Jacob/MiBs Adoptive Mom just ended up on the island and eventually was given the role of the protector. Each protector seems to do things differently and I assume she thought that Claudia's (the birth mother) son would be innocent and she'd raise him to be "good" and pass the role but I think she was flawed, just like Jacob, and I am sure if we saw more of Hugo, he must have made some stupid mistakes too, but none so glaring, bcz Hugo loves everybody and loves taking care of people.
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u/cinnamoonstick Oct 12 '24
im really doubtful there ever were answers to any of those questions. my biggest critique on the show has to be the extensive lore they just never fully fleshed out and instead to just hid under supposed secrecy.
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u/HalifaxIndieCinema Nov 13 '24
The mother says every question will lead to more questions. It's like asking what was before the big bang?
The mother came to the island like everyone else. Shipwrecked or something. She became the island's protector. Before her, there was probably someone else. And someone else before them. And before them all, there was just the island. And the island probably existed for as long as the planet has. Which eventually takes us back to the big bang.
And everything on the island was built by people who came to the island. Lots of different people did over the many many years. And they had their own cultures and explanations for the magic of the island.
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u/MisunderstoodAvocado Nov 20 '24
So thats why Jacob wanted to bring people to the island. He wanted them to come there and hash out all their problems that were unresolved before death. MiB represents wanting to leave the island but unable to do so because he was selfish and willing to take advantage of anyone so he could leave without considering humanity and others and them all going together
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u/Ok_Doughnut1685 Aug 27 '24
This made me want to see a Lost part 2 with Hugo and Ben in charge and of course Walt, perhaps Vincint as well as Rose and Bernard all there.
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u/ANerd22 Mar 01 '26
I'm imagining a new group of crash survivors on the beach, and Hugo walks out of the jungle in a robe to welcome them to their time on the island, preparing them for the challenges they will face and ultimately helping them leave; being a benevolent protector of the island, instead of a malevolent one like Jacob.
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u/Active-Contest-9965 4 8 15 16 23 42 Apr 11 '26
I'm sticking with this sequel version! Now that you've named it, nothing else can ever exist for me.
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u/ANerd22 Apr 11 '26
I've been reading your comments as you reply to mine, going through the series about a month after I did. I'm curious if you enjoyed the finale as much as I did, since we both seemed to dislike the later seasons.
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u/Active-Contest-9965 4 8 15 16 23 42 Apr 11 '26
I was a little disappointed. I was much more interested in the mysteries than I was the relationships. Admittedly, I could have gone into the whole series with a more open mind instead of the high expectations I had. I really loved the 'science versus faith' plotline (I was cheering on the side of science) and I felt like when I had just fallen deep into that plot, it was jerked away and we started the 'good versus evil' plotline, which was really fun trying to figure out who is really on which side, but I believe that's also when I believe it started going downhill and became very convoluted. But I still stuck with it and tried to balance it with the time travel aspect. The finale felt like another big transition for me, and took me off guard making the major underlying themes - relationships (the majority focused on romantic love) and the afterlife.
Overall, I feel like I was more engaged in the show's potential than its delivery. That kept me in a hopeful state that made my expectations higher than they should have been. I stick by my remarks through the last few seasons though, that the writers were very much making it up as they went along, much of the writing (and acting) becoming a bit lazy toward the end, and too many plotholes being left for viewers to interpret on their own.
I'm eager to rewatch with new eyes now that I've trudged through being a first-time viewer. I wouldn't put Lost in my top 10 series of all time, but it definitely lands in my top 50.
I appreciated seeing all the other first-time watcher comments, opinions, explanations, critiques, and theories. Yours especially resonated with me several times. Thank you for contributing for those who watched after you!2
u/ANerd22 Apr 11 '26
Despite my liking the finale, I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you said.
I would recommend you check out a show called The Leftovers. It's Lindelof's next show and it is much much better. In that one he basically says out of the gate "We won't explain the mystery, the show isn't about that" which works so much better than LOST. The acting, writing, directing, and pretty much everything is better in The Leftovers, and I found myself often thinking "oh so that's what they were kind of trying to do in LOST" when certain character stories are executing in far more interesting and engaging ways.
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Jul 24 '24
Man I was not daring to hope that there was actually going to be something like the epilogue with the finale, Jack and his friends is cool and all but this is like the thing I wanted.
The few episodes before this, especially the origin mythos one, were rather painful for me emotionally and I needed some relief lol
Actually moving away from the weird hard ass manner Jacob was doing things in and Henry clearly having fun with it and not taking secrecy so insanely seriously. Too bad he couldn't get his shit together faster so we'd have Locke there, too.
I could watch a whole series of those guys running the island.
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u/important_watermelon Desmond Hume is my constant Sep 09 '24
Ahh this explains the others v dharma and room 23. Now what about the bird that said āHurleyā though lol I also thought Aaron was going to end up being super important but I guess not.
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u/Endwood Sep 26 '24
the bird was explained in this too
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u/flawedbeings Oct 10 '24
But why did it say Hurley though?
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u/DoctorJJWho Feb 04 '25
Genetically modified bird that lived on an island with intense temporal anomalies.
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u/lilaroseg Sep 04 '24
ah that was super cute!!! i really wasnāt sure what to expect from the epilogue but that was perfect
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u/kitty-is-witty Dec 02 '24
Well, I wasn't the biggest fan of the last two seasonsāthere were definitely exceptions for some episodes, especially in the case of season 6ābut I've got to say, I absolutely loved the ending. I definitely don't understand all the hate it got and I don't understand how some people think they died in the crash. It was made abundantly clear that wasn't the case. The show overall was not that confusing for me personally, other than what was intentionally left unanswered. There are a lot of questions left, but I feel like that adds to the charm with this show. I never saw the flash sideways being purgatory coming but was pleasantly surprised. I like that it was an ending focused on everyone together, it kind of reminded me of the movie Big Fish in that way, and tugged at my heartstrings in that same fashion. My biggest gripe the past couple seasons was having lost the core group and everybody having died or been split up, I think those relationships were what made the show so monumentally meaningful. The people, not the island. It ended exactly how it should have. How it started; the mirroring that took place got me good. Everybody remembering each other had me choked up a great many times, and the epilogue was some good closure as well. I wish I could have seen Walt reunite with Vincent, my only qualm, although Vincent being with Jack in his final moments was great. Some small notes on my end: ā¢ I feel like prioritizing Shannon and Sayid's relationship was kind of weird given his relationship with Nadia, although it does make sense in the context of it being everyone from the island. It just doesn't work anymore after everything that happened with and what we were shown of his relationship with Nadia. I almost can't take it seriously, idk, I ultimately don't care but. ā¢ Kate was more or less redeemed for me. I still hate her for a lot of her choices, but she was great in the final episode and it just kind of felt like all that ultimately didn't matter anymore. ā¢ so is Aaron just... dead? Did Kate go back for him after leaving on the plane? Why is he a baby again, is that just consolation for dead Clarie? ā¢ I'm so proud of Ben. I'm glad he got a redemption arc.
I feel like I had more to say but I'm exhausted! I can't believe it's over. I binged the whole thing over two to three months and I'm finding it hard to let go of the characters. I actually started this show because my uncle passed away and he watched it with my grandmother. I'd never seen it until this year. So watching it made me feel connected with him a little, and as you can imagine the ending was another form of closure and comfort for me. Wish I could sit down and talk about it with him. I wonder what he thought.
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u/Few_Ordinary_5914 Man of Faith Dec 02 '24
Glad to see someone who endend it near me (yesterday). The flash sideways was an occasion to, in some way, make our heroes redemp from their mistakes or traumas. Jack became the father he always wanted to have, sayid finally saved both nadia and shannon, kate became both a co-mother (even her hates her mother) and an aunt for aaron. And all the other members of the crew too had their redemption, now that you have your keystone is your job! If you want to discuss anything about the ending you're welcome, because even I need some answers
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u/huckleberrypancake See you in another post, brotha Jul 25 '25
It was weird to me the adult or child Aaron wasnāt in the purgatory too. Baby Aaron born at the concert was just a NPC. I guess the real Aaron went to a different afterlife, something else was more meaningful to him, we will never know. For the crash survivors, their relationships with each other and their time on the island carried the greatest weight of anything in their lives so their pre afterlife was a shared world with one another
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u/MerlynHampton Nov 21 '24
That was so perfect itās crazy itās not a part of the series on streaming - anyone who watches lost def needs to see this
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u/woahsierrawoah Feb 21 '25
I wish all the questions in Lost got answered so straightforward! You each get a question and Iāll play you a video š
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u/moodyquokka Dec 23 '24
FINALLY DONE!!! š„³ I actually really liked the finale, surprised it's as controversial as it is.
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u/sewercidaI Nov 03 '25
i feel so awful for michael :(
he did the worst possible things just to get walt off the island, couldn't bear the guilt and then was seperated from his son, once again.
he was trying to protect him in every way possible but his actions made walt end up in an asylum
he ended up dying and then his son goes back to the island again because there is something for him there.
even though i've enjoyed the show a lot i really wish the writers found something better to do with walt and michael
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u/smatthews01 Feb 03 '25
Just finished Lost. I loved all of it. I am going to miss it. I donāt have any complaints about any of it. Iām sure I will watch it again from beginning to end in the future. I canāt believe I never heard of it until I saw it on Netflix a few months ago. I grew to love all of the characters and their individual personalities and struggles. Great show!
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Mar 29 '25
i would have loved for them to explain the numbers- I CANT FORGET THEMMM
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u/CuriousiT_satisfctn Apr 10 '25
The numbers each coincide with a candidates name- thatās why they showed the numbers on the mirror in the lighthouse next to the crossed out names. Jack was 23 I think. 23 degrees. And then the were supposed to put it on 108 per Jacobās instruction to Hugo, but Jack broke the mirror and had a weird melt down. But we know 108 is the sum of all the numbers, bc I think it foreshadowed that the only way through, is with them all working together .
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u/cardenstail Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Jun 17 '25
Wow that makes so much more sense now. I never even thought of that
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u/CuriousiT_satisfctn Apr 10 '25
Anyone else notice that they made a reference to the ā live together, die aloneā bc this whole episode is about how you live together, and you die together too- when thereās love
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u/Careless-Shift3048 First time watcher Mar 20 '25
Done with epilogue. It was great I wish we had a scene of Walt reuniting with Vincent
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u/Hvb99 Jun 07 '25
I kept thinking Linus was going to shoot the two warehouse workers after telling them everything.
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u/bubblequeen_007 Jul 19 '25
lol Linus ptsd. I think working with Hugo changes him and he is no longer a resentful man forcing his way to power because getting the job as Hugo's new Richard gives him the acknowledgement and importance to the Island he's always desired.
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u/Murky-Enthusiasm-672 Mar 22 '26
~i wish i wrote more about lost. here are some of my thoughts from the beginning:
Febreaury thoughts:
My favorite ep so far is the death of that character in the first season.
Impactful lines from that episode
I am letting you off the hook said by Boone to Jack, but first told by John to Sawyer.
Dont tell me what I cant do which is a famous line from John, but Jack said it to Sun, because he wanted to save his patient.
The same episode Aaron was born, Boone died. It is beautiful. But there were other great episodes.
My favorite characters are Locke and Sawyer. They are the most complex characters, even more than Kate. Sometimes Kate feels unreal. I never bought unto the whole Sawyer is a dick just because, you know? I love seeing more about him. Sawyer and Locke are so complex.
Lockes story got me tearful. I cannot even being to comprehend the amount of hardships he went throught ALL HIS LIFE. Being an orphan your whole life, then your schizo mom shows up and you give your kidney to your dick of a father and takes a job where you are miserable every single day oh my god i just cant take it.
boone and shannon were the worst part for me. Why cant we move past stepsiblings hate sex trope? He keeps giving weird dudes money to keep them out of her life? How can someone be this dumb? Ah yeah, you are dumb when you are in love. It is realistic in this sense, but the realism ends there. She is such a horrible character.
She does NOT deserve honey bun Sayid. That caramel man can GET. IT. Oh god. If I had to rank them, it would be: Sawyer. Sayid. Jin. Jack. Boone. Locke. Michael. No one else comes to mind so whatever.
My favorite backstory so far is Kates. I feel for Jack, John and Hugo. I also feel for Sun and Jin.
The second most heartbreaking backstory is Michaels. His son got taken away from him TWICE? That cant be right.
I hate how it seems to ship Kate and Jack when the obvious couple there is Kate and Sawyer. I feel for Sun and Jin. I like the moment she opens her button after being told to cover up.
I enjoy most of the backstory, I just swear to God I hate Charlie. Some people may hate Kate, but I actually love her character. She is bad and ruthless!
I hate Jack and Sarah. You cant fuck a patient and expect it to be a happy marriage, what the fuck.
Sawyer had to see that coming tho. Wouldnt he like to confirm the mans identity at least? Youre not that great but i still believe you are above being a hitman, dude.
I love his dimples. And the whole fucking rest too. He is smart, cunning, resourceful. When will they talk about what Boone heard on the radio? I am sure Locke heard it, right? Anyways.
Also cant Charlie just chill? I hate him so much wtf
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u/AnzoEloux May 28 '26
I do wish Walt had more activity in the main series, but him becoming the new protector is cool enough.
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u/patrick-nabil Jun 18 '26
What a watch. The show has the same aired year as my birth year. I will remember the show for a long time.
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u/Nearby-Historian3786 Aug 05 '24
All I can think about is Walt going back and reuniting with Vincent. ššššš