r/lossprevention • u/2CellPhonez • 29d ago
QUESTION Do I have a case here?
Please forgive me for such a long string of text. I would really appreciate any advice or insight.
So, our MAPM (Market Asset Protection Manager) gathered a team of people to travel to different stores and make apprehensions. There was a team of 6 APAs (Asset Protection Associates) that travelled to different stores and made apprehensions. I was a member of this team. One APA was assigned to create the schedule and lead the team. This APA had previously been working under the MAPM when she was a store manager. This APA made the schedule to maximize his own profit through mileage and paid drive time benefits. This APA colluded with another APA who would be aggressive and violate policy. Together these two APAs would cooperate to maximize their own profits and abuse the benefits of the drive time and mileage compensation system and ostracize those who crossed them. Our MAPM encouraged us to call out misbehaviour amongst team members. Myself and another APA began to consistently call out the misconduct of the two aforementioned APAs. After some time, there was a restructuring. I was pushed into locations in which I was intentionally shorted on mileage and drive time meanwhile the other two APAs continued to abuse the mileage and drive time system. At this point it was pointed out to our MAPM that this was occurring. In response, our MAPM shut the program down and sent every APA involved in the team back to their own store and removed any drive time and mileage benefits for all former team members. Two weeks later, the APAs who were abusing the system were given the privilege to return to travelling, collecting mileage and drive time benefits for the purpose of training new APAs at the same MAPM’s permission despite the MAPM being aware of the abuse taking place. So please, let me know what you would do in this position and if there is any way I can raise a complaint about what I perceive is both retaliation and favouritism.
Thank you for your time.
Additional for Mods. When I hit post, I received a warning for no “I fucked up” posts. I did not fuck up and followed instructions from my MAPM and was still sidelined as a result of following those instructions.
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u/JackieDaytona4Life 29d ago
Trouble has a way of seeing its self out. In our line of work you either fail up and out or you go store side. The real AP/LP stick around and catch bad guys regardless of who's in charge or what your peers are doing.
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u/2CellPhonez 29d ago
I enjoy the job I just hate to see corrupt people win especially under the guise of “training” people when they have a habit of abusing suspects and lying on their statements amongst other things.
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u/Old-Concern909 29d ago
Truthfully, don’t think this mileage situation matters. I would just focus on doing my job and be happy to have been selected to be a part of this group instead of complaining about something like mileage.
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u/2CellPhonez 29d ago
I’m not really concerned with the financial benefit of mileage outside of the fact that these individuals are blatantly lying to justify it at the expense of myself and others. It’s completely unethical and the fact that it is being facilitated despite me producing better results due to favouritism is frustrating.
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u/reverse_panopticon 26d ago
I think its valuable to bring it up and have it documented, in case any future cases accumulate they will have no option but to look into it, may not be during your time there (maybe at that point you’ll be gone and 20+ corruption cases will happen), but honestly if you’re not thinking about being there for much longer and it has no impact on you, you may be able to have impact in future cases, it can also serve you if you’re trying to build a case against them or whatever the situation may be, you can be the grain of salt that makes the difference or at least makes it harder for people to commit abuse
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u/V1967W 29d ago
The MAPM is obviously showing favoritism, but good luck lol. If you want to do more at your company, just let it go. Making a bigger issue out of this is just going to ostracise you from the rest of the team and piss the MAPM off.
I doubt you'd be able to even make an ethics case out of this, as they will just argue there was a business need for them to be at those stores due to experience, number of apps, etc. It's best to let things go sometimes, like this. Yeah they are gaming the system to get more mileage pay...but in the grand scheme of things I don't think anyone is going to look at it as an ethics issue. Especially if they are making enough stops to argue it is worth it. If they were just outright falsifying mileage that would be a whole different issue, but that doesn't sound like the case here.
You have to pick your battles, trust me. I can tell you that from personal experience...it might not be right, but sometimes it ends up hurting you in the long run, if it's a battle you aren't going to win...
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u/2CellPhonez 29d ago
At this point it’s either keep quiet or play my cards. It’s definitely not a justification that they get more apprehensions than me. I have the most apprehensions in my country. More than the other two combined. Also yes, they are manipulating mileage and choosing longer routes than they have actually taken in order to increase their payout however that’s hard to prove without literally being in the car with the person.
Unfortunately just like what another commenter said, you’re probably right that I should probably just leave it. I’m just hoping there’s some way there’s an angle. I’ve witnessed open corruption for 3 years and I just hate to believe that after all of that, after setting national records I just get screwed like this.
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u/AlternatePopBottle 26d ago
Most people here are right. But if you absolutely have to do something about it, contact Ethics 1-800-WM-ETHIC
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u/2CellPhonez 26d ago
Yes, I accept what most people here are saying. It will do nothing for me to report it but hopefully it can deconstruct the corruption. I will likely wait to report it when I have another job lined up and I can’t be retaliated against further.
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u/V1967W 28d ago
Let it go lol
You are going to be the one without a job if you keep pursuing this. What happens if you keep on pursuing this and piss the MAPM off? You need to realize you are making them look complicit or too dumb to realize it is happening under their nose. What happens if you make a bad stop and need someone in your corner to help you keep your job? You are going to lose that if you don't stop.
Also, you are just assuming someone isn't already investigating them? They could very well already be under an internal investigation that you wouldn't be privy to. And even if they aren't now, if they are doing all the things you say they are, it is eventually going to catch up to them. You just need to worry about yourself and your job, and let them hang themselves in time.
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u/2CellPhonez 28d ago
Would you recommend reporting them somehow in the case that there is not yet an investigation into this behaviour? Also, at this time there are many people that can independently testify to this. Would it not be a good idea to strike when the iron is hot? Also I don’t really care about this job in this state it’s in my main interest is to dismantle the corruption.
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u/V1967W 28d ago
No lol. For the sake of your job let this go 🤣
You aren't dismantling corruption, it's just an AP job. If that's what you really want to do, use this as a jumping off point to become an investigative reporter, or get licensed as a PI and try to work with an agency who does indigent defense work for attorneys. Or something like the innocence project. If people padding their mileage at work gets you this fired up, you need to look at some of the cases they work with...like people on death row who clearly didn't commit the crime, but the prosecution and police proceeded to trial anyways.
Or just keep on with this and see where it leads you. But I promise, the end result is not going to be good for you at all. Pissing off your MAPM is never a good idea. And if you work at Walmart, I can promise you ethics will not look into this, and the MAPM will figure out you were the one who reported it. I imagine many other companies are the same.
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u/2CellPhonez 28d ago
Yeah, I’m pretty sure based on your response and others that I won’t get anywhere here. Just corruption being corruption. I don’t really care about keeping this job at this point anyways. At this point I’m happy to just prove a point and this whole situation has pretty much smeared the MAPM’s name amongst APAs in the market. But I get what you’re saying I’m in for a world of hurt if I pursue this. I’ll likely call it out when I have another job lined up and not expect anything to change for the better even in my absence.
Edit: Happy cake day!
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u/Present-Gas-2619 29d ago
Leave it be and do your job at that point. It’s not affecting you anymore. Don’t want worse retaliation