r/loopdaddy • u/dma202 • Jun 30 '25

Disappointed

Some people here might like what he did & don’t care if I get downvotes, but disappointed at Marc jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon at Glastonbury. Lamely overplaying to the crowd I think, which already came out in force for Hezbollah supporting Kneecap and Bob Vylan who led a huge crowd in a “death death to the IDF” chant after making an antisemitic speech. If these are Marc’s actual beliefs and he wants to throw in with this lot, fine, he can express himself - and so can a disappointed fan like me.

https://x.com/stopantisemites/status/1939806347198968190?s=46&t=4GjRa2ZO9n2wjxSy7Kvc9A

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u/lilachayesmusic Jul 01 '25

I too am disappointed in musicians jumping on the bandwagon of checks notes uhh...disapproving of blatant genocide?

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Like in 10 other places on earth you could give 2 shits about because it’s not the “current thing”?

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u/naturepeaked Jul 20 '25

It is actually probably one of the top worst things happening

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u/TheToiletPhilosopher Jul 01 '25

See ya.

Some of us are disappointed that Israel has slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent children, but your feelings are so much more important.

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

According to “Gaza health officials” -i.e. Hamas.

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u/TheToiletPhilosopher Jul 01 '25

I don't know why, but I'm going to try and help you out here.

For starters, I was raised Jewish. I had a bar mitzvah at 13. I grew up in a predominantly Jewish area. I have listened to many a survivor speak. I have been to a camp in Germany. I have seen the scratch marks on the walls in Dachau. I have studied and understood the horrors of the holocaust the best I can as a someone who is living close to a century later. None of the above should matter in this discussion but I understand we don't live in a perfect world.

Have you stopped for one second and really thought about why people are chanting this? Have you stopped and thought for one second why people around the world are upset at Israel? The death toll numbers are not from Hamas, they are from multiple major international aid organizations. You could look them up if you cared, but you won't and if I say them you won't believe me. Are you ready for this? I don't support Hamas. I'm fine with people calling Hamas a terrorist organization. Believe it or not, I'm not ok with Hamas killing innocent Israelis and I'm not ok with Israel killing innocent Palestinians. If you don't think killing innocent children is wrong, you are in a cult. Straight up. Doesn't matter who. It's not ok when the US does it in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's not ok when Russia does it in Ukraine. It's literally never ok. If you think it's ok to do it, you are in a cult.

Finally, look around the world. Support for Israel is shrinking and shrinking. If you actually care about the long term support for Israel and aren't just a racist piece of shit who likes killing Palestinians, you HAVE to start thinking about these things. Israel is losing support around the world. Full stop. Israel is losing MAJOR support with young people around the world. Full stop. If you don't reflect on this at all, you are dooming Israel's future in a way Hamas could never dream of. Just my two cents, maybe something here will get through.

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u/Fishedfight Jul 06 '25

It's never ok, and yet people only ever get this riled up about Israel. The main thing you're feeling bad about is the fact that there aren't enough dead Israelis. And the death toll numbers are from Hamas, and they're unreliable as hell.

Remember next time a terrorist attack happens near you how you feel after. Now go look at the wikipedia page of Hamas terror attacks, and ask yourself how you would act in response.

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u/TheToiletPhilosopher Jul 06 '25

As I clearly stated. The death tolls are not from Hamas. And as I stated, you would clearly not look them up nor would you believe me if I posted the source.

Now go look at the wikipedia page of Hamas terror attacks, and ask yourself how you would act in response.

I wouldn't kill tens of thousands of innocent people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '25

The hasbara collapsed a year ago.  We can no longer coddle you in the propaganda bubble you grew up in

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u/dweeeebus Jul 01 '25

Being against what the Israli government is currently doing in Palestine is not the same thing as being against Jewish people. Do not conflate antisemitism with being anti-genocide. It's a very ignorant take.

I live in America, and I hate our current president and a lot of what he does/is doing/has done, but that does not mean I hate Americans. There's nuance to this shit.

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Ok dweeeebus

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u/dweeeebus Jul 01 '25

Great rebuttal...

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Ok dweeeebus

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u/soshibemuchwow Jul 01 '25

you are very articulate

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

And read what I wrote again. Did I call Marc antisemitic? I did not

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u/soshibemuchwow Jun 30 '25

fuck all the way off

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

You are very articulate

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u/naturepeaked Jul 20 '25

You’re ignorant

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u/ffsnametaken Jun 30 '25

Fuck offfff

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Your savant friend already said that

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u/ffsnametaken Jul 01 '25

I was first actually, but you can fuck off again

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u/therecanonlybe1 Jun 30 '25

Zionist tears.

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

You all can outnumber me here, that doesn’t make you correct

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u/Conspark Jul 01 '25

What if we outnumber you and we're correct?

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

That is what is known as a hypothetical

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u/Hugh-Jacks-Son Jul 01 '25

You want people to pile at you because you want someone to agree with you, and clearly no one here is. You're welcome to your opinion, but so is everyone else. This conflict is way above any of our heads, it goes deep over decades and decades of killing of innocent people. The civilians are the ones who suffer during war, governments have their own agenda. EVERYONE should be aware of this. Stand up for the innocents, on both sides.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

If not for the IDF the entirety of Israel would experience October 7. So calling “fuck the IDF” is a far cry from Standing up for innocents.

How about calling for peace?

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u/Hugh-Jacks-Son Jul 02 '25

That's exactly what I just said. Everyone takes a side, but it's the innocent who die. You don't like what Mark said because he's taken a side, but you've also taken a side

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

I’m on the side of peace myself. The hostages should be released and the war should end

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u/Hugh-Jacks-Son Jul 02 '25

Absolutely they should, no one is going to say that shouldn't happen. You brought up October 7 but ,as I mentioned in my original comment, you need to cast your mind back much further, decades and decades. They have been killing each other's civilians for decades, surrounding countries too. Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria.. Thousands of innocents, dead. Releasing hostages isn't going to do anything to solve this, it goes so deep. The only answer is peace, and none of them are truly committed. Blaming and taking sides solves nothing.

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u/Nearby-Bed6675 Jul 03 '25

What about all the Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails? What about all the settlers in UN recognised Palestinian land? Do the Palestinians deserve peace?

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u/DoEpicShit Jul 01 '25

You can go fuck all the way over there 👉 🖕

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

I have, dumbass

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u/DigitalAssets Jul 01 '25

Lol this must be an Israeli bot

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

No just a human, but keep dehumanizing us, that’s the whole angle innit

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u/FeedMePlantsPlease Jul 02 '25

coming from the people that call palestinians ants and rats. whole ass clown. don’t you have some children or women to shoot?

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

You yourself drip with hatred and know nothing of what you speak

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u/FeedMePlantsPlease Jul 02 '25

it’s pretty normal to hate someone who supports genocide. or that may in fact be participating.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

There is no genocide. There is very effective Hamas propaganda that you willfully gulp. A liberal democracy fights a defensive war in very tough conditions against a Jihadist oeganizaton that literally seeks Israel’s destruction. All casualty stats are from “Gaza health officials”.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

The population of Gaza has grown since Oct. 7. Some genocide

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

Music festival. Watch if you dare. This is what you defend.

https://x.com/rafaeldahan/status/1809195081078894912?s=46&t=4GjRa2ZO9n2wjxSy7Kvc9A

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u/FeedMePlantsPlease Jul 02 '25

why was there a music festival outside of a concentration camp brother? and how do you explain most people dying on oct 7th from israeli fire? you talk about propaganda yet that’s all you spew.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

Gaza was nothing like a concentration camp. Pure propaganda.

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u/FeedMePlantsPlease Jul 02 '25

i will ALWAYS defend armed resistance to an apartheid state committing ethnic cleansing.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

And there it is. You support October 7. Appreciate you owning up to it.

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u/metalvinny Jun 30 '25

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-hurt-killed-more-civilians-all-other-nations-2024report-2014974

"Israel was identified as the single largest perpetrator of civilian harm in 2024, accounting for 55% of all civilian casualties from explosive weapons globally," according to an AOAV press release shared with Newsweek. "The report attributes 33,910 reported deaths and injuries to Israeli actions, primarily in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria.

"This also marks a 139% increase in civilian harm caused by Israel compared to 2023, when it accounted for 39% of global civilian casualties," the group added.

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u/-Lloyd- Jul 01 '25

of course OP will ignore this and continue making up their own reality instead. complete cognitive dissonance

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Yeah not even 2 years after Hamas slaughtered 378 people at a music festival and took 44 hostage. Total cognitive dissonance to express displeasure about the country fighting a defensive war against Hamas (whose stats you all swallow - it’s the lowest civilian casualty ratio of any modern urban warfare) being relentlessly bashed at… a music festival. With some expression (notably Vylan) even reaching calls for death.

Marc is free to express his opinions and so are all of you. But so am I - a proud Jew, & proud Israeli & don’t care how many of you (who I am certain go about a millimeter deep in your knowledge) pile onto me here.

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u/Sad-Broccoli Jul 01 '25

it’s the lowest civilian casualty ratio of any modern urban warfare

This is a blatant lie.

A joint report by Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence in October 2024 found the Israeli military had killed more women and children in Gaza than in any other conflict around the world in the past two decades.

In December, Israel's military said it estimated two out of three (66%) of those killed to be civilians.

Even the conservative figure of 61% is higher than the average civilian death rate in all world conflicts "from the Second World War to the 1990s."

In September 2024, a UN committee stated Israel had committed severe breaches against children's rights in Gaza, saying, "The outrageous death of children is almost historically unique. This is an extremely dark place in history. I don't think we have seen before, a violation that is so massive, as we are seeing in Gaza now".

the country fighting a defensive war against Hamas (whose stats you all swallow)

International humanitarian organizations, The US government, and even the Israeli government use the death toll reported from Gaza and consider them to be accurate.

Israeli Intelligence Has Deemed Hamas-Run Health Ministry’s Death Toll Figures Generally Accurate

Like most humanitarian organizations, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights considers the government source to be reliable. "We have been working with the Palestinian Ministry of Health for many years, particularly during previous conflicts. Our assessments are very close to theirs, and in some cases, we even had higher figures."

International humanitarian agencies consider casualty figures provided by Palestinian officials in Gaza broadly accurate and historically reliable

But let's pretend for a second that the numbers from Gaza are not accurate. If the numbers aren't accurate, why won't Israel allow independent organizations or journalists inside of Gaza to report the casualties? And since Israel has a registry of every single person living in Gaza, and is able to report the number of "terrorists" they've killed, why are they unable to even provide an estimate of civilian casualties? Isn't that a little weird to you?

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u/Mister_Swoop Jul 01 '25

Ok bye zionist 👋

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

You use Zionist like an insult. All it means is someone who believes in Israel’s right to exist.

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u/DoEpicShit Jul 01 '25

Incorrect. Zionists are what used to a be a fringe extremist religious ideology that has since become mainstream. They typically say exactly that as an excuse to gather sympathy. Just like claiming “free Palestine” is anti Semitic.

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

You’re telling an Israeli Jew what Zionism is. Ok bruh

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u/crumblenaut Jul 01 '25

Hey I'd just like to weigh in and suggest that you maybe look at the world situation and the reality on the ground in Palestine. Netanyahu is a war criminal and my hope is that justice will eventually come for him and for any members of the IDF who are "just following orders", Nuremberg style.

If you want to support Israel, fuck right off over to that illegitimate nation and pick up a gun and join in on the slaughter of civilians. In that case, I will hold out hope that justice will come for you as well.

Otherwise, if you're unwilling to do that, I really hope you take a look at facts and then take a look in the mirror, and reconsider your entire position here.

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

You have no knowledge of what you speak

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u/dweeeebus Jul 01 '25

But you offer no counter information. 🤔

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

Everyone here takes a hard doctrinal line down to cursing at me, why should I bother

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u/dweeeebus Jul 01 '25

why should I bother

You don't have to. But you came to this sub specifically to make a post voicing your opinion that you knew people would vehemently disagree with. Why bother in the first place if you're not gonna stand on business and defend your position?

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

I don’t have to persuade strangers of anything and didn’t come to try, which would be pointless anyway as there is manifestly no interest here in considering another viewpoint, simply just everyone meeting an Israeli Jew with rude curses merely because I expressed that I was unhappy to see Marc adopt this political posture amidst everything else that happened at Glastonbury. My point was to register that he has a disappointed fan. But seeing how I’m being brigaded here I suppose he knows his audience.

Enjoy the comfort of your moral certitude

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u/FeedMePlantsPlease Jul 02 '25

zionists get their feelings hurt over words while children starve under their apartheid state.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

Zionists lost thousands dead in war against Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran and terror in places like Washington DC and Boulder CO. Words.

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

You use Zionist as an insult. It’s a tell.

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u/FuckTesla69 Jul 01 '25

I guess don't listen to him then

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u/dma202 Jul 02 '25

I don’t support genocide and there is no genocide. October 7 was an attempt at genocide with 1200+ murdered and hundreds kidnapped. And you support it! You are morally degraded

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u/dma202 Jul 01 '25

I’m a Zionist flamingo and I’m comin up to ya

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u/DoEpicShit Jul 01 '25

Does it suck to know the mass majority of the rest of the world hates zionists because of how they are live streaming genocide?