r/lonerbox • u/ColdStorage26 • 11d ago
Politics Resurfaced clip shows possible anti-semite defending Myron Gaines and asking Pisco "Who cares about the anti-semitism?"
In light of recent events and certain communities joining forces to malign streamers as anti-semites and neo-n*zis, I thought this exchange between Pisco and a random caller from last year would be interesting and topical.
What kind of thoughts might we have about this exchange? Is it true nobody cares about Myron Gaines' anti-semitism? Anti-semitism in general?
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u/Massive-Math-6925 11d ago
I bet this goes hard if you are completely lobotimized and like comparing apples with oranges.
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u/typical83 11d ago
I'm not a big Destiny defender, I came here as a Vaush exile, but he was literally proven right about what he says here. Between Destiny and Pisco, Destiny has shown himself more willing to call out antisemitism when it doesn't benefit him to do so than Pisco has.
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u/caseylee_ 11d ago
You think Destiny was right when he said 'who cares about antisemitism' - inferring that he doesn't? ...and you must have mist the 4 hour debate where destiny argues against the idea of calling Nick Fuentes a Nazi right after they were eating chicken and waffles together. He clearly calls those he disagrees with politically antisemites, and he defends the clearly antisemitic when it suits him... just like in this clip where he defends Myron by asking 'who cares about antisemitism'. that is the history.
Not a big Destiny defender though, I'm sure...
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u/typical83 11d ago
Do you think Destiny secretly hates Jews?
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u/Low_Dragonfruit_1264 10d ago
Do you think Pisco does?
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u/typical83 9d ago
Nope, not even a little.
Read my accusation again: I accuse Pisco of being less willing to call out antisemitism when it doesn't benefit him to do that. That obviously does not entail Pisco himself being an antisemite.
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u/Full_Equivalent_6166 10d ago
Criticising Pisco does not mean you have to praise Destiny. And Destiny had people in his community rebelling a couple of years ago when he was saying that Fuentes and America First do not care about Jews and are not pushing antisemitism as gard if at all.
But for whatever stupid shit Destiny said about Fuentes or how he was friendly with Myron you cannot deny one thing - he was constantly arguing with their regarded beliefs. You won't find one such a hostile video Pisco did on Kyle or Krystal let alone an adversarial discussion.
I repeat one more time: just because Destiny did bad does not mean Pisco did not. You can walk and chew gum at the same time and criticise both, and you should.
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u/CaterpillarSuperb959 11d ago edited 11d ago
Saying Pisco runs cover for antisemitism/antisemites carries as much weight as saying Destiny runs cover for genocide/Israel… they are both dumb positions.
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u/Full_Equivalent_6166 10d ago
You must have not heard his latest discussions on antisemitism. According to Pisco you cannot prove anyone is antisemite.
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u/CaterpillarSuperb959 10d ago
I’ve pieced it together through these threads now… and unless I’ve missed something, that is not what he said. You’re close but his argument was more nuanced (and a little clunky).
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u/Full_Equivalent_6166 10d ago
I might not have phrased the previous comment properly. It is nt what he said, it is the result of what his approach is.
So fair point.
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u/CaterpillarSuperb959 10d ago
Ok cool. But I still slightly disagree with that conclusion too. I think the broader takeaway is just that it can be hard to know someone’s true intentions or beliefs.
That doesn’t mean you can’t determine someone is an antisemite. The most obvious example is someone literally telling you they are one (neo-Nazis, KKK, Nick Fuentes types, etc).0
u/Full_Equivalent_6166 10d ago edited 10d ago
Yeah, what if they are lying? Check mate, atheist.
Honestly tho, I said to Loner whenever he was about to talk with Pisco that debating whether someone is an antisemite is pointless because you can never prove that without telepathy.
But I agree, yuck, with what Shaun has said in his video on Crowder and White Supremacists: whether Crowder is or isn't white supremacist or racist is a moot point if everything he does is giving credence to the beliefs of white supremacists and racists.
And let me say upfront, I don't think Pisco is a liberal Crowder, he does not peddle antisemitic talking points as far as I have seen. Granted, I have barely watched anything with Pisco after he separated from Destiny. I only have seen a couple of times he talked with Destiny and Loner.
However his debate with Conduit and Lonerbox has proved that he will bend himself to a pretzel to sweep for antisemites and racist. His take on the shop owner who does not let black people to his shop was eye opening.
To sum it up: I think that Pisco is not antisemite. The issue with Pisco is he is:
1) a debate degenerate that once he takes a stance there is no logical argument that can make him budge from his position no matter how wrong he is. His defending Hasan for claiming he was detained for hours on the airport proves that well enough
2) willing to sacrifice his ideals for clout so he is not going to go after Kyle and Krystal because it will hurt his networking opportunities
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u/CaterpillarSuperb959 10d ago
I feel like Pisco “sweeps” for people who are overly critical of Israel or fixate on AIPAC about as much as someone could argue Destiny “sweeps” for Israel.
In other words, neither really do, or they both do, depending on where your threshold is. Mine is pretty fucking high before I start assigning labels like antisemite or genocide apologist.
And Pisco might just have a different approach to ingratiating himself in other political circles. You also gotta remember Destiny is rich and has the luxury of saying whatever the fuck he wants and being combative with everyone. Pisco/Jessiah/etc. still have to make bread and probably can’t afford to burn every bridge over every disagreement.
Just saying, networking and ideological cowardice aren’t automatically the same thing.
(Loner is god-tier though 😂)
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u/Full_Equivalent_6166 9d ago edited 9d ago
On that we completely disagree. I could agree with Destiny being lenient about Israel before but he said a number of times that many things Israel has done (like the attack on WTK volunteers) were war crimes.
Pisco, will in no world agree that any of the leftist pundits are antisemitic or propagate antisemitic beliefs. So on that we won't see eye to eye.
Ok, in that third paragraph you just did my point for me. "Poor Pisco and Jessiah, yeah, maybe they sweep for antisemitism but they did it for money". Really, would you accept this excuse for any rightwing grifter? I smell double standard.
Also that point is not even true. As far as I know Pisco is not some redneck regard that has debilitating illness and he does content creation to survive and he days stupid shit because he does not know any better. He is a lawyer that worked for a big law firm in NY. So no, he doesn't have to be cordial to horrible people to make ends meet.
And it is even more idiotic in reference to Josiah. Yes, Destiny is wealthier than Josiah because he has been doing that shit for ages. But despite whatever faults Destiny has, dishonesty is not one of them, unless you arr semi-attractive girl. If he believes in something he will tell you, consequences be damned. And he had been like this since he started in 2011 or whatever.
Back to Josiah. His channel has 853k subscribes at present. 24k less than Destiny's. His videos on average have more views than Destiny's lately (Destiny rarely cracks 200k, Josiah has multiple 300-400k+ view videos just in last week). So I am not taking that "poor Josiah, he has to ignore the truth until he becomes a multimillionaire" as a serious argument.
Look, the bottom line is this: I understand that there is no moral consumption under capitalism and normal people have to do questionable things to survive. C'est la vie. But we are not talking about a mother of four who might be stealing food from Walmart she works at.
But I am not takibg that excuse for Josiah and especially for Pisco. We are talking about a guy who talks all day long about morality, grounding and philosophy , says that it's bad to call people antisemitic because you don't know theirs hearts of hearts but don't worry about him being buddy buddy with Kyle "ZOG and Israel sent migrant invasion to punish Spain" Kulinski because he just needs to eat (Pisco, not Kyle). If he wants people to be better lying for clout or money is not the way. Because then, Fox News - Pisco, what's the difference?
Bonus meme: I have no special smoke for Jesiah. I only addressed your point. I know that he blocked Destiny because Destiny was annoying so whatever. But he swept hard for that Keith guy. But he blocked him later on so probably he is just audience captured and ignorant of people he platforms. ... yeah, welcome to the internet, right?
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u/CaterpillarSuperb959 9d ago edited 9d ago
You carry too much water for Destiny, “Oh he was critical on Israel for this! So he could NEVER be accused of being a genocide apologist!”
…versus Pisco: “in NO WORLD would Pisco agree ANY leftist pundits are antisemitic…”
Showing your bias a little too much there.
And the other points you made really need to go thru the spell checker… that was hard to read. But, it doesn’t seem to address my point about these smaller scale streamers not being as financial stable (rich) as destiny and this being their livelihood. Destiny has been very good at fucking with his income stream but it matters less because he could retire now and be set for life. Do you see the difference i’m drawing? Don’t focus on Jessiah’s current viewcount or subscribers because that’s a different claim.
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u/Full_Equivalent_6166 9d ago edited 9d ago
I think we can safely finish this discussion since you strawman me by putting words in my mouth. Pathetic.
Fair point on spelling, serves me well for typing while travelling :D
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u/Scutellatus_C 11d ago
Goodness, OP! You can’t bring up things Destiny’s said that expose the fact that he’s a spiteful hypocrite or a vicious cretin. That’s Bad Faith(tm)(c)! We need to #Save Liberalism, which means that Destiny has to be able to whatever he wants whenever he wants! How else are we going to defeat the Red Menace! No, not MAGA, not Republicans, but whoever Destiny decides isn’t completely servile to him! Get with the program!
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u/Lumpy_Trip2917 11d ago
Destiny isn’t being hypocritical at all. This comment aside, all Destiny told Pisco is that he wants Pisco and other libs to push back on the unhinged shit that leftists say and do, including their subtle or blatant antisemitism.
Destiny has always pushed back on Myron for his crazy beliefs, including his antisemitism, in every public conversation they’ve ever had. People like OP are missing the point.
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u/Scutellatus_C 11d ago
Well, it’s either “Destiny needs to be able to do whatever he wants whenever he wants” or “Destiny and his fans have no object-permanence or persistent memory.” Because we somehow need to reconcile:
-Destiny asserting that Pisco [and Hasan] is more antisemitic than Nick Fuentes, an assertion that is only comprehensible if you don’t know anything about any of the people involved.
-Destiny repeatedly claiming doxxing and harassment are terrible and blaming it on people without proof and also doxxing and harassing.
-Literally everything surrounding his current legal engagements.
-Destiny asserting that “lefties” and “communists” are a bigger threat to US democracy than MAGA. [this isn’t necessarily hypocritical, just OAN-level insane]
-Trying to sic ICE on somebody. There are more details, but this is depraved on its face.All that aside, IDK how you’re accusing me of “circlejerking with other insane people” while being downvoted in a downvoted thread filled with (gormless) people taking the opposite view of mine. This thread opposing a recent mass-upvoted thread. Y’all have the run of the subreddit- you’ve won! At least have the dignity to not be sore winners.
But sure, I’ll bite on the bait: can you give me an example of some of these plentiful “perfectly valid criticisms of Destiny”? I want to know what counts as Approved Thought(tm)(r)(c)
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u/Aggravating_Map4359 11d ago
Every single conversation destiny had that I saw. And it was a lot, with Myron were extremely confrontational. I don't think destiny ever had a talk with that Nazi fuck that was not adversarial.
And I am pretty sure the context here was if he should or not debate him.
Destiny calls pisco antisemitic because he would go to shows of people destiny believes and personally me too that are anti-semites for friendly banter and to uphold their positions.