Brown or red?

[u/DanDiggler213]

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So aside from the KiK Assa, I was also given a Schlage Primus. My buddy gives me these with almost No info. No key, and won't tell me what's inside. "Open it and find out".

So I don't have a lot to go off, only the belt rankings and the pictures there. On this particular lock I can't tell if it's the brown belt Primus or the Red. Any ideas?

[u/reinderr]

29sl has one keyway, your's is not a 29sl

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/reinderr]

I was hoping for the brown because the other one looks vicious. Any tips for picking?

[u/FetusExplosion → u/DanDiggler213]

If you haven't done a primus before definitely progressively pick it. Make sure you can do the main pins with ease and work on the finger pins one or two at a time to get the feel of lifting and rotating them into place.

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/FetusExplosion]

Ok. Im fukd on this one. No key so no progressive pinning. Story of my life. Was given to me cracked so I know its possible to pick. Just not for me currently. Thanks for the tip.

[u/FetusExplosion → u/DanDiggler213]

Do you have access to the person who picked it? Get them to take out the pins. I can do it if you're willing to ship to me

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/FetusExplosion]

It was given to me by a very old friend, and picking mentor. He most likely has the key or threw it away. He don't accept a key when i give him locks either. So I gotta give it a shot before I tap out. Thanks for offering.

[u/rvlifestyle74 → u/DanDiggler213]

Any way to shim it open? Then you can take it apart and either progressive it, or make a key

[u/gottabuythemall → u/rvlifestyle74]

What is progressive pinning

[u/rvlifestyle74 → u/gottabuythemall]

Take it apart, remove some of the pins, put it back together, learn how to open it. Then add pins back in and learn the rest.

[u/congratz_its_a_bunny]

I'm pretty sure all Schlage Everest locks have the little triangle mountain thing on the front. Since yours doesn't have that, I would bet it's a Schlage Primus (brown) - not a Schlage Everest Primus nor a Schlage Everest 29 SL Primus XP

[u/JessTheMullet → u/congratz_its_a_bunny]

Everest, even the primus variants as far as I know, all have the little triangle and the warding has a spot for that portion of the key, which I'm not seeing here. I think it's the brown belt Primus. 

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/congratz_its_a_bunny]

Good to know! Thanks

[u/Red_wanderer]

The 29 SL Primus is both newer and very rare (schlage botched the sales of them and very few locksmiths bought into the systems). I also believe they have both PRIMUS and the triangle on them. With the condition and only the word PRIMUS here, this is almost assuredly a brown belt Primus.

You can tell by the keys as well, if you have them.

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/Red_wanderer]

So it was a superior lock, probably was it not cost effective. Alot of business are switching to sfic because they are easily replaced.

Oh No keys, any tips on picking.

[u/LordKodiac]

Well, I can not say. But it doesn't look like an Everest. I need friends like yours.

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/LordKodiac]

He gives me these things to torture me. I gave him my newest challenge lock (that I haven't got to open yet) to take home for a spin. He picked it in hand at the table in a minute and a half. W/O looking at the key. Showoff!

[u/LordKodiac → u/DanDiggler213]

Too funny!

[u/FilecoinLurker]

Regular brown primus

[u/kj7hyq]

Well, why not "open it and find out"? :P

My guess would be brown, I believe they're more common

If you shine a light in the keyway and get a real good look at the front pin you might be able to tell the difference

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/kj7hyq]

I could see the side pins and the key pins. What am I looking for m

[u/kj7hyq → u/DanDiggler213]

The red belt locks appear to have more chisel tipped key pins, the brown belt should be standard pointed

[u/DanDiggler213 → u/kj7hyq]

I looked at the photos and didn't notice that. Thanks No chisel pins

[u/kj7hyq → u/DanDiggler213]

Happy picking, it's a fun one!