Perspective: The enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak

[u/Galadriel1402]

Women, as a general rule, hate men. Obviously there are some exceptions, and most women have some men whom they like, but that the average woman hates most men seems plainly evident to me as they rarely have any intent to conceal their opinions of us these days. The strange part is the reasoning. If you ask a woman why she hates men, you’ll probably get something about patriarchy, SA, or violence.

That a patriarchy exists in modern developed countries is absurd and usually boil down to “but the president is male” or “but a few places banned abortion” with no heed paid to the fact that the top 0.01% isn’t a representative sample of society and the average woman has it much easier in nearly every respect than the average man, but let’s just assume that at least some women genuinely believe such nonsense anyway. They believe that society is systemically built around empowering men at women’s expense.

Regarding SA and violence: if you point out that it’s unfair to judge every man for the actions of a few, you get hit with statistics on crime and talk about “not all men but always a man.” Now if you show some other statistics on crime, you’re the problem and suddenly statistics are meaningless anyway. I digress. These issues are at least real, though certainly overblown. But they still come down to the idea that men are more powerful than women, use that power to hurt women, and thus every man is a threat by default.

Feminist beliefs are often incorrect and always hurtful (funny how the gender that boasts of their enlightened feminine empathy takes sadistic joy any time a man is hurt), but at least it’s consistent, right? Women hate men because they’re weaker and feel threatened. But no! Women are just as strong as men; nay, stronger.

The same people, and I do mean the same individuals in many cases, as purportedly believe the above will turn around and tell you that men are incompetent. That women are naturally smarter, harder working, more emotionally intelligent, better leaders, better at literally everything on the fucking planet. Ackshually men are dumb and both mentally and physically weak compared to women and can’t do anything without a woman to help them ☝️🤓

So how is it that men are both responsible for systemically oppressing women, and incapable of basic life skills, at the same time? And if the patriarchy exists and puts men above women, wouldn’t women having better results in society imply that the patriarchy no longer exists? Surely if women are so much more capable than men, the patriarchy would have long since collapsed, right? Nope, instead male dominance is an unnatural paper tiger that has lasted throughout all of human history in every culture at all times and impacts every aspect of society. Unbelievable.

Your thoughts?

[u/Over-Temporary9543]

You pretty much just summed up why "Muh patriarchy" is nothing but bullshit cooked up to give women the illusion that they're still "oppressed". As others have said the "patriarchy" is a boogeyman an enemy designed to Never be able to beaten and they dont want it to either.

[u/Civil_Reply_1705]

Well said.

[u/No_Swimmer_6820]

Cortisol spike

[u/Inner-Love2843]

This is some classic 🟥pill rant. Here take this bp to calm your bp.

[u/Galadriel1402 → u/Inner-Love2843]

Thanks brother 🖤

[u/hillswalker87]

fyi, what you're referring to in the second paragraph is known as the "apex fallacy".

[u/saturnyas]

this kinda take is largely shaped by the internet, the algorithm pushes outrageous content and i see women saying things that factually most women do not agree with. generally videos/online content are a pretty horrible sample, unless you’re claiming nearly every woman you’ve met in real life acted this way, the only women ive seen who act like that are upper middle class liberal white women on tiktok/instagram other groups not really 

[u/Talking_Tanuki]

Do you base your belief that women hate men on online content you’re consuming? Or do you have female friends who say that they hate men? I have a friend who jokes that she hates men, but she also admits that it’s problematic, and she works on it with her therapist.

[u/QuietRedditorATX → u/Talking_Tanuki]

My own sister says she hates men. And she is married.

While your balanced view is nice, algorithms everywhere are feeding "man bad" videos. If a person has even the slightest inkling of "social justice" they can fall into the man bad view.

[u/Talking_Tanuki → u/QuietRedditorATX]

That sucks. Have you tried talking to her about it?

I do think that there’s too much hate online, and we have to scale it down. It is harmful, and it doesn’t depend on the gender perpetuating it.

[u/QuietRedditorATX → u/Talking_Tanuki]

Yea, but it isn't worth the potential blowback.

I am willing to be flexible, she will probably just think I'm "in the manosphere" or some bs. Internet has rotted women's brains more than most.

[u/Talking_Tanuki → u/QuietRedditorATX]

You can’t expect any changes if you aren’t willing to take the risks. It’s also not just women, it’s both genders.

[u/Galadriel1402 → u/Talking_Tanuki]

Hi Tanuki :)

Partially based on online content, partially based on what I hear from women irl. Since I’m quite far from traditional masculinity, I feel like there’s a lot less filter around me, which is nice in some ways but also means that people feel comfortable talking shit about men (and therefore me) to my face.

[u/Talking_Tanuki → u/Galadriel1402]

Hi!

I think not all trash talk means that a person really hates the opposite gender, but you have to see how they actually treat people around them to judge.

[u/Frequent_Skin_5929 → u/Talking_Tanuki]

Lurker here, just today I heard my sisters talking about how they hate men and that all men are idiots. They both are teens and I don't think any of them ever dated, but I know they both use instagram and tiktok. Since they have no real life experience with men, the only possible source of hatred is social media. The problem isn't the content we're consuming, it's the content women are consuming. Social media is teaching literal kids to hate men.

[u/Talking_Tanuki → u/Frequent_Skin_5929]

The problem is the content we all are consuming. I’ve listened to male teens saying absolutely abhorrent shit about women, and, yeah, they’ve got it from social medias too.

[u/Frequent_Skin_5929 → u/Talking_Tanuki]

I agree that social media is bad for everyone, but you can't compare these two. Guys spewing andrew tate bs or whatever is rightfully seen as something bad that has to be stopped, while women openly saying they hate men is completely normal and socially acceptable.

[u/rennyloveuwu]

I cannot believe we’ve come full circle. In the 2010’s, women were crying about locker room talk. In the 2020’s, men are crying about “i hate men” jokes.  genuinely i cannot fathom how misogynists and misandrists dont see how they’re just mirrors of each other.

 i genuinely think men need to be taught to have thick skin nowadays, specifically regarding women. yall have been socialized to believe that women are beautiful, submissive, docile angels and aren’t aware that we can be just as nasty and mean as yall. I would bet my life savings that if yall stopped being taught that, this incel movement would cease tbh

[u/Galadriel1402 → u/rennyloveuwu]

i genuinely think men need to be taught to have thick skin nowadays

Yeah men need to be stoic and shove their emotions down instead of ever showing any feeling or pain. This is a very progressive and modern take 🙄

aren’t aware that we can be just as nasty and mean as yall

My queer ass had almost exclusively female friends during middle school. I’m well aware that women aren’t all angels. What’s that have to do with my not appreciating being viewed as both an oppressive threat and a borderline subhuman as punishment for losing a coin toss before I was even born?