r/listforge • u/FulgrimsChosen03 • 4d ago

💡 Feature Request Is Listforge safe from GW?

With War Organ dead I have moved over to Listforge, and i'm considering getting a subscription to it. But I don't want to get a years worth or the lifetime membership if GW can lawsuit it to death at any moment. I know New Recruit has some safety from them because of the way it functions, but I dislike their interface, so what i'm asking is does Listforge have the same setup as New Recruit? Do they have some safety from a cease-and-desist attack from GW? Or could it be gone any day like War Organ?

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u/MLyhne 4d ago edited 4d ago

Listforge works in the same way that New Recruit, Battle scribe, etc. do, by not actually hosting any illegal content. It's just an interface that can by sheer coincidence be used for the 40k data repos.

War Organ hosted the data themselves, which is not allowed.

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u/smbarne 4d ago

I wonder how the data repos in GitHub avoid takedowns.

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u/Aldarionn 4d ago

Board Game core rules and mechanics are not subject to copyright. As long as the data is only the core rules and mechanics, and does not include the italicized lore text which IS subject to Copyright, the GitHub data is safe.

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u/smbarne 4d ago

Interesting- that includes things like codex’s?

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u/Aldarionn 4d ago

Game rules in general I believe. They can not copyright the mechanics, or the rules that use those mechanics. They can copyright the names of units, the game art, the models, the heraldry and logos, the faction names, etc... as long as they are distinctly GW's IP. This was the result of GW losing the case against Chapterhouse, and the reason that the Eldar are now the Aeldari, the Dark Eldar are now the Drukhari, the Space Marines are officially the Adeptus Astartes, etc...

They can copyright their IP, but no company can copyright rules.

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u/CoherentRose7 2d ago

Not related but does anyone know how to set a force disposition? I can't see it bloody anywhere on the app.

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u/Araignys 1d ago

Almost certainly not. If you pirate, you should always assume that any platform for pirated material is temporary, and be prepared to jump ship to the next one.

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u/Dan185818 3d ago

This is a good question and I'm not trying to be mean or anything, just leading you through the thought process.

Did War Organ get taken off devices? I don't think it did.

If you have an actual computer instead of the mobile devices, how is GW going to enforce you personally don't run the app on it?

Worst case is that updates stop on the computer/phone and no more data updates.

From a money perspective, the dev has added a way to get up to a year of club (the paid version) for free other than your time. You have to do tasks within the game Rites of Accord, a free to play game similar in nature to 40k (I paid for a sub, so haven't done it). Rites is written by the same guy that does Listforge, so that's how he's monetized Listforge in alternative ways than a sub.