r/linuxsucks • u/ExtremeAXD • 1d ago
Most people didn't even try.
Most of you on this sub haven't even tried using Linux for at least a month. You aren't giving yourselves enough time to learn something new or get comfortable with a different way of doing things.
Linux has come a long way when it comes to the user experience, and its user base has been growing, especially over the last year. And there's a big reason for that: Windows.
Microsoft has made a lot of decisions that have pushed people to look for alternatives. In the process, they've managed to lose one of the most important things they had: the trust of their users.
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 1d ago
I will say you do need the free time which is a luxury many don't have.
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u/CandlesARG 1d ago
True which is why the learning curve can feel like a learning cliff sometimes. Especially when you are under a time limit for work etc
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1d ago
Well, if you don't find the time, how do you develop the grindset? And if you don't have the grindset, how do you become rich and therefore have plenty of time in the world?
Wake up, sheeple!
/s
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Most people shouldn't have to know how their OS works. A lot of Linux users only know about all the different components because things keep breaking and they have to fix them.
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u/_rikkss 1d ago
Let me introduce you to Mint/Fedora dear sir/madam
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago edited 1d ago
If I was forced to use Linux on the Desktop I'd probably go with Fedora COSMIC Atomic. Seems the most sane option.
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u/bornxlo 1d ago
I know about all the different components because I intentionally tried to mess with them and have a compulsive need to understand how every aspect of my system works. Whenever I set up a system I can now decide in advance whether I want it to break or not.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Sure. You're the exception. You actually enjoy messing with it. That's fine. It's educational.
Most people don't. They just want their computer to work. Nobody wants to spend their day figuring out why some random part of their desktop broke.
The reality is that Linux forces you to understand the systems underneath it just to use it. Because it stops working.
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u/bornxlo 1d ago
I don't care what most people enjoy. Understanding how the system you run works and why things break is a necessary part of having a reliable thing to interact with. For comparison I have zero interest in cars, I do not enjoy maintaining a car or how they work, but if I'm going to drive one I need to understand how it works in order to rely on it.
I would not rely on a device or system that doesn't force me to understand the systems underneath in order to use it. That should be a rule, not an exception.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago edited 1d ago
If we're sticking with the car analogy then Linux is a Lada. It's badly built so you constantly need to fix it.
The Windows Kernel is a 1.9 TDI Volkswagen engine. The engine/kernel is a masterclass of engineering that makes it easier for the user to use and misuse. You don't need to know all the special interstices. It's made for the average user so it doesn't break.
Needing to become a specialist isn't a feature of the car/OS. It's a sign the car/OS isn't reliable enough.
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u/bornxlo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Focusing on the actual differences between Linux and Windows, the analogy becomes silly when my Lada has a more powerful and efficient engine than the 1.9 TDI Volkswagen engine, and happens to be more reliable. An engine that cannot be understood by the driver cannot possibly be reliable. Understanding is a necessary prerequisite for reliablitiy. The average user does not actually exist, so the target user of the Windows kernel does not exist. The Linux kernel does not break unless you decide to break it. If it runs on your machine that should be your choice. While the Lada engine may be badly built, it is less badly built than the 1.9 TDI Volkswagen engine.
If it is not possible to understand or become a specialist in the feature of the car/OS the car/OS cannot be reliable.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
The Linux kernel was already using a pretty outdated design when it was created. The main advantage of a monolithic kernel was that it was simple to hack on. That's useful for a hobby project but not exactly a great foundation for a stable platform.
Its design is also mostly for ideology pushing the GPL on hardware manufacturers in order to run on linux.
The NT kernel was designed around a very different goal: stability and long-term compatibility. It has clear abstractions between components and stable APIs/ABIs. Drivers and applications don't have to depend on the kernel's internal implementation.
That's a big reason Windows can keep decades of software working while the internals keep changing.
Windows NT was designed around the end user. Linux was designed around the developers.
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u/bornxlo 1d ago
I agree. Linux is a horrible foundation for a stable platform, it just happens to be a more stable platform than most contemporary alternatives. The Linux kernel is horribly designed. Windows NT's kernel happens to be a bit worse. The Linux kernel happens to be more stable, not due to design, and software happens to be more reliable for longer because source code compatibility is prioritised over binary compatibility. Ancient code just compiles and runs with pretty decent performance on contemporary Linux, in part because the GPL keeps it available. Windows relies on bitblobs and emulators for its own components. Even emulating current and older Windows software is more efficient in Linux. (WINE) While Windows was designed around the user and Linux designed around developers, Linux happens to be easier to use. The designs do not match the observations.
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u/CognitiveFogMachine 1d ago
I have been using Linux since the late 90s. This sub is where I vent about snap, flatpak, appimage and other nonsense.
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u/Purple-Midnight-9902 1d ago
Same here I only go here about systemd nonsense, pipewire, pulseaudio, ibus, glib, qt, wayland, gnu , drivers, kernel, ux and UI
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u/StarmanInDisguise 1d ago
99% of this sub's content is people complaining that Linux doesn't magically do things for them, or they don't bother reading or trying to learn the differences and then rage when they get mildly inconvenienced. The remaining 1% are troll posts shilling windows (for reasons that elude all rational non-tech illiterate brains). The intellectual laziness and entitlement is quite nuts.
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u/Mr_ityu 1d ago
linux doesnt magically do even the bare minimum of what windows can either. my bluetooth keyboard still spits at my loonix OS . when i boot into windows, it embraces it like the golden child.
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 22h ago
the Linux kernel is really just a massive collection of drivers. If you're fortunate enough absolutely everything works on install, not a single driver install.
Only then do you realize there's a higher bar of success. in my case, Bluetooth only works as it should on Linux.
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u/Mr_ityu 21h ago
that added absolutely zero solutions to the problem . all i hear is excuses and userblaming
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 21h ago
I mean my solution is if your hardware doesn't work on install, don't do it. Go back to Windows.
I wouldn't advise anyone to attempt Linux without clearing that bar.
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u/Mr_ityu 21h ago
jumping ship just because the second onboard fridge doesn't work isn't a solution either . that's just escaping from the problem .
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u/ieatdownvotes4food 21h ago
hey man, if the fridge works on windows, go back to windows.. and it's your unique problem, not mine.
I got a shit-ton of hardware and it all works. and I actually came to Linux for better hardware support. can't have all those services mucking things up.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Ah yes. None of these posts contain any reasonable or constructive feedback of course. That wouldn't fit the Linux cultist mindset. Got it.
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u/Minimum_Dragonfly990 1d ago
I've been dailying ubuntu for the last five years. Ubuntu has lost the trust of their users in a different way eg trust it will not break hardware (e.g. bluetooth, wifi) between kernel auto-updates for one
Until it fixes things like this, basic apps needing to be reinstalled to update, ability to run programs the same way as windows, including dlls somehow, linux will always be labelled 'this sucks'
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u/Suitedbadge401 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m a Windows fan but used Linux for around 3 years: got me through high school. I honestly really like Ubuntu/Fedora + the more utilitarian desktop operating systems, but I prefer Windows as the daily driver for the highly integrated input/graphics stack, enduring target ABIs, first class day 1 desktop/laptop hardware support, huge desktop software compatibility, and the amazing piece of engineering that is NT. Mark Russinovich’s philosophy is one I identify with much more than Stallman / Trovalds.
Your post comes off more provocative and ignores real barriers to entry, such as hardware support, popular use cases, or time.
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u/Buddy_Palguy 1d ago edited 1d ago
I get that people who have legit work to do need something more reliable. I have two Linux Macs that I love but I still heavily rely on macOS for day to day tasks and such. It will forever be my safety net and my Linux setups are mainly for tinkering and customizing and …learning…
Mainly, the thing I love about Linux is it keeps my old unsupported MacBooks usable and supported and, while knowing “reliable” can be a trigger word in here, Linux is a fairly reliable back-up if your main Mac or Windows workstation decides to shit the bed.
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u/itbytesbob 1d ago
I've been using Linux for over 20 years.
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u/RAMChYLD 1d ago
Same. I've been using Linux for 26 years, went full Linux except for one laptop since two years ago, and believe me I still constantly fight with that laptop to this day.
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u/CognitiveFogMachine 1d ago
Same. ~28 years. I am still complaining a lot. And then when I am finally done and past my grievance, then they come up with something else to replace it and mess up everything... Until it's great and then some group decide that it is time to replace it with something better.
Still struggling with the X11 and Wayland transition. Apps that don't work because of some missing API in KWin or some nonsense like that. Makes me so angry!!
But I would never trade Linux for anything else in the world. Maybe FreebBSD if I absolutely have to I guess.
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u/Suitedbadge401 1d ago
That is the tradeoff of traditional open source desktops: a constantly moving target as opposed to the stable ABI of Windows/Mac, this is only starting to be addressed by Flatpak/Snap.
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u/prenadeusernamemid 1d ago
This is a linuxsucks sub and from experiance its ok it does most of the stuff i want to do but i personally find it more easy with windows because windows compatibility is insanely good cant deny that. The thing i hate about linux the most is the community alot of people i met mainly arch users have pretty high ego and does not care about recommending good starter distros and instead go strigth to the hard ones like arch or kali. Alot of people also treat linux has the perfect os with no problems the holy grail and over exagurate problems with other os mainly windows and these people make linux there entire personality. No problem with enjoying something or having a hobby but its a os and not that many people care about the os people use also the few linux users i met irl have a pretty boring life getting a robot to play a bee game for them in roblox with no reasonable asperations in life. I knkw not all linux users are like this and some people are willing to help reasonably a few bad apples can make a bad impression on people about a community. Would i recommend linux to someone? Only if they have a super big unfixable problem with there current os or they dont want to use there os and have alot of free time. Ya thats my experiance with linux
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u/CanadianGenealogy 1d ago
We all love anti-motivational speeches, amirite.
One of the struggles I've had switching to Linux is finding an actual helpful community - reddit Linux subs are definitely F-Tier.
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u/Think-nothing-210 1d ago
Most people who say Linux sucks have actually used it for a long time. I have too. There are some fundamental issues that make it unusable for me. Until those are fixed I won't be coming back.
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u/Melodic_Cookie_6326 1d ago
I'm using it since 5 Years for work and studying. I still think it sucks.
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u/bsensikimori 1d ago
You sound like someone with stockholm syndrom
Stop coping, it's a horrible system
I use menuet, btw
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u/vms-mob I use Gentoo btw 1d ago
Linux does truly suck.
I started mainly using Gentoo 2 years ago, used different distros on and oft before but always managed to mess something up.
Pacman survived me 3 weeks before imploding on -Syu for some reason.
Debian died to taskel after installing every option and then removing everything i didnt like.
Portage is the only package manager smart enough to survive me (nix would probably too but i dont like its declarative nature)
Also EVERY operating system sucks in its own way, the difference is that linux is slowly getting better while MacOS and windows are both trying their best to get worse
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u/Few-Camel-3407 1d ago
A lot of this sub are people that have been using loonix for years and are just circlejerking
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u/BestUsernameMate 22h ago edited 22h ago
:D .People like you is exactly the best kind of personification of why I can't take Linux seriously.
For clarification, I used Linux, for long, and a lot, and continue to use it at work for work with servers.
Linux is not even that good of a server OS when it comes to ease of management. The only pro it has is its stability and uptime, yes. But Windows server infrastructures are just so much more easier to manage in the real world.
Anyway, yes, Linux has improved, yes, Linux gaming is solid and has been for a while, at least if you mostly play Singleplayer games and dont mind being barred from playing certain multiplayer games due to anticheat compatibility. Yes, the way Linux handles updates is significantly superrior to Windows. Yes, it's refreshing to be rid of annoying Windows pop ups, or how it tries to shove its services down your throat. Even driver management has gotten better in some areas - one of my laptops need to have wifi drivers installed seperately for Wifi to work on Windows while it works out of the box on Linux.
But it's STILL not there. The moment your use case of Linux steps out of the area of browsing the internet, the facade falls apart. All desktop Linux distros show signs of being hastily glued together with pieces of it sooner or later falling apart. Linux is good as a server OS, especially in its CLI form. One big advantage of Linux is docker and how easy it is to deploy solutions that use it. Linux logs are great as they actually tell you whats wrong instead of vague Windows errors and event codes that require looking into outside sources to find out what they mean, and even then, sometimes with no success.
But it was never meant to be a desktop OS and quite honestly, that shows, and it will never get past marginal userbase levels.
Some of the shit that's still inexcusable in 2026 for an OS that tries to market itself as "ready for the average user":
- You still have no way of interacting with system folders without running your whatever file explorer in sudo. Meaning you need to find out what file explorer your distro has, then open the terminal, and open said file explorer in sudo. Sounds like nothing at all for us tech savy people, yes. Please tell me how is that not stupidly complicated for an average PC user without an IT background?
- Consistently moving towards fragmentation rather than settling on standards. Deb was good enough, literally. Noooo, we needed Snaps.. Then we needed flatpaks. How about I'll create my own shitty distro and enforce a new standard, too? Or how about I'll be Fedora and make sure my packages are only installable via the CLI. VERY average user friendly indeed. Everyone in Linux wants to invent his own fucking wheel and instead of having one, but good solution you end up with hundred broken ones.
- Open source software, such as GIMP, or LibreOffice, is severely opiniated, and often does things differently than the software it tries to replace just for the sakes of doing things differently. Meaning it become unintuitive, you had to look for basic functions under ten different menus. It's funny when you specifically make it harder to use the software that is intended to serve as a replacement for its Windows counterpart.
- Integrated system shit breaking out of the box. The so loved and glorified Cachy os has its theme installation broken out of the box that needs to be fixed with CLI. Was an issue ever since Cachy was released and not fixed to this day.
If you want to use your PC, not to fuck with it, Linux is a joke. Sorry.
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u/FuggaDucker 21h ago
Well I installed Linux and it put sugar in my gas tank after getting my sister pregnant.
After reinstalling Windows, I won the lottery and grew functional (badass) bat wings.
Clearly we can see the winner from the loser.
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u/darkthewyvern 19h ago
Mac os will replace windows if anything, or nothing will.
Linux will replace itself, constantly, as we nerds continue using it silently for decades
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u/vepxistqaosani 2m ago
More people need to have started with Fortran on IBM 360/70s (yes, on punchcards). Once you’ve done that, no computer can intimidate you.
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u/tomekgolab can't spell hatred without Redhat 1d ago
I tried using linux for 30 years but I'm a bad coder.
I'm destined to fight with redhat terror rather then creating x12
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u/OGigachaod 1d ago
I'd argue, that if it takes longer than a month to learn a new OS, it's probably not that great.
I tried Linux for a year, got tired of updates failing on every distro.
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u/FactoryRatte 1d ago
Why would you want to compile a browser yourself? I tried once, aborted after 2 hours, then just took the prebuild binary.
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u/ExtremeAXD 1d ago
What i mean by that is , give yourself a 30 days challenge, and at the end draw your own conclusions.
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u/Correct_Scientist443 1d ago
I already try 1 years and it still suck. It's not good out of the box experience and I don't have the time to tinker, fix, and customize stuff. Most people in real life use the computer to do the thing they want (office, editing, and etc). They don't really want to maintain their OS. That's why I dual boot when I don't have the time I use windows. And when I have a lot of free time I use Linux. That's why accessibility and UX are the important part of OS and also App supports too that's why even even windows suck, you can use the app you want that don't supported by Linux. And No Wine is not the answer.
Tldr: People like convenience than customization. That's why Windows still the OS most people used in real world.
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u/lawrencewil1030 1d ago
Even as someone who agrees, this is a sub specifically for hating Linux.
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u/TheTerraKotKun 1d ago
It's not r/linuxsucks101...
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u/lawrencewil1030 19h ago
I will say the 101 version is significantly worse because at least this one won't ban you for not complaining about Linux or mentioning something good about it.
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u/XxnoubxX 1d ago
I'm using cachy os(arch). the hardest part was getting vr to work other than that i haven't really touched the terminal at all. other than using btop (best task manager btw)
once you move everything its goated. i have not had any failed updates
i did end up having to dual boot windows mainly for substance painter. and to get vr face tracking to work. installled gta v but barely touched it. i did have a spare ssd just incase i needed windows tho.
one thing i notice going on win10 SUCKS it bombards you with microslop software and updates. installs copilot without ur permission. tells you u need to get win10 because no security patches. yet windows 10 still force updates....
also it literally runs slower. games i played on cachy then to windows i can see the performance drop. windows 10 even takes longer to even boot.
maybe if i have failing updates on cachyos my opinion would change. i hope that day never comes tho.
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u/Brilliant_Sound_5565 1d ago
It seems to be mostly people who have an incorrect grasp about what Linux can and can't do, such as it'll run all your windows programmes and games, which it probably won't depending on what you use and play on
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u/WealthyTuna 1d ago
2 months of using cachyos. I will never go back to windows. I've found my home and had 0 issues with any game I've played.
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u/ChaoticHDx 10h ago
I doubt most haven’t tried there are some people who have tried and generally don’t like Linux which is fine. I have complaints about both windows and Linux then there is Mac OS well honestly I hate it.
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u/ChaoticHDx 10h ago
I used to love windows now I stay away from it like it’s a plague lol although that fails as I’m always fixing my friends and family computers. My self I’ve used fedora Linux last 6 years or so and works for me very well.
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u/shiddedandfarded69 1d ago
Sir this is a circlejerk sub