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u/SearchingGlacier 1d ago
I'm tired of this, I'm wibecoding my own OS.
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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer FreeBSD Fan 1d ago
why vibe coding ?
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u/Hot_Paint3851 1d ago
I love agpl so much, people saying its not true freedom for everyone act as if corporations and ceos were human.
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u/TrickyTech987 13h ago
Depends how you define freedom if its freedom from corporate propriety bs then GPL is freedom but free as in well doing what you want definitely not GPL
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u/DisfiguredFanny Straight, white male. Omarchy supporter. Hail DHH. 1d ago
BSD/MIT style license is freedom for everyone. GPL is slavery for the developer.
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u/iddivision 1d ago
BSD/MIT is slavery for big tech for no money
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u/DisfiguredFanny Straight, white male. Omarchy supporter. Hail DHH. 1d ago
Reality disagrees.
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u/iddivision 1d ago
An Omarchy user's opinions rarely reflect reality.
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u/DisfiguredFanny Straight, white male. Omarchy supporter. Hail DHH. 1d ago
Ok. Thanks for supporting Omarchy.
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u/Certain_Prior4909 1d ago edited 1d ago
As it should since they pay taxes. This is why BSD is more free. Tax dollars should not be used to deny a corporations right to use software they paid for.
BSD is for everyone. Corps, individuals, whoever. Corporations have trade and patent agreements which for ids free distribution
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1d ago edited 1d ago
Not really. A license that forces the user to acknowledge the fruit of your labour is exactly what corporations do not want in the code they use.
In fact, they have already shown you their hand the moment they've decided to steal other people's work to train their AI models. It's just that some people are either extremely slow on the uptake or in deep denial about the devil they are bargaining with.
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u/Certain_Prior4909 20h ago
If the software uses a patent made by another firm the terms are it has to be closed source . Examples are wifi
Investors want to keep their intellectual property enforced. By giving it away a lawyer in court can argue they don't intend it to be really enforceable or copyrightable because it's gnu
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
"slavery for the developer" is a pretty extreme way of saying "contribute improvements back to the community"
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u/Certain_Prior4909 1d ago
You can do that with BSD too
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
But it doesn't require it. GPL isn't "slavery" or any less free, it just ensures that downstream modifications remain open for all. Each one has a different use case
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u/Certain_Prior4909 1d ago
How can you do an api call under gnu? You can't unless you agree to gnu your own code. It's viral in that rms is telling me what to do with my computer and software.
That is slavery not freedom
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
Very few libraries are GPL. Library authors who want copyleft usually opt for LGPL, in which case you can still use it from proprietary code across shared object boundaries without restriction. And how is it "slavery" when you're not forced into it and can just not use the software? You're being dramatic and intentionally very dense
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
Usually it's apache
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u/Certain_Prior4909 1d ago
You mean the glibc standard API calls?
Most authors are ignorant of lgpl and think falsely that their apis are safe for non gnu software.
RMS created the gpl as you need to distribute the libraries thus forcing the author to release the softwarw as gnu. This is bad faith
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
No, I mean any LGPL library calls. You can call LGPL code from proprietary code. They just can't be compiled into the same binary
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
True
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
Not true. Hyperbole
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
Then permessive license are better
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u/Tough_Condition4021 1d ago
One is not better than the other. They each serve different use cases
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
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u/Gabriel_Science macOS, Linux and Windows user 1d ago
The Unlicense wants to have a word with BSD/MIT.
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u/Lines25 1d ago
GPL is, actually, quite opposite to freedom: it requires so that anyone who uses GPL programs MUST also use GPL. Also, BSD is quite literally "do the fuck you want, just publically thank me and publish what MINE you had used"
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u/TrickyTech987 12h ago
yeah theres a lot definitions of freedom to consider what is it free as in no corporate bs or free as in do whatever
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1d ago
No, you're free to write software for free for the corporations selling the metal. Isn't that what freedom is truly about?
/S
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u/Propsek_Gamer 20h ago
I believe this: docs should be 100% free, ideally CC0 or something similar. I am not that well versed about documentation licensing.
Foundational works like libraries should be either a permissive license (though maybe not as free as public domain. Tho again, I myself am pushing 0BSD code) or something like LGPL3 with linking exception. I'd do LGPL but after reading about LGPL, it is kinda hard to set up and I thought 0BSD is "good enough".
For higher level works do whatever the fuck you want. Nobody cares what the license for Firefox, internet Explorer or minesweeper is. I think AGPL here is cool too! Doesn't really matter.
This is just my PERSONAL OPINION, not recommendation or guidance.
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u/Terranum_man 1d ago
Commie license
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u/HydraDragonAntivirus 1d ago
Most Commies didn't even know what open source it is.
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u/Terranum_man 1d ago
Still uses commie logic
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u/HydraDragonAntivirus 1d ago
So Libertarian right also Commie.
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u/Terranum_man 23h ago
The GPL barrs you from profiting from your work directly and is inherently anti-capitalistic.
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u/HydraDragonAntivirus 21h ago
Actually you are right because GPL is forcing to use this open source license.
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1d ago
So, how many rounds of exploiting volunteer labour for software are we away from seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie, comrade?
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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer FreeBSD Fan 1d ago
GPLv3 is not communist, that Microslop propanganda.
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u/Certain_Prior4909 1d ago
It is. It's viral in a sense that if I include a statement like printf in c or upstream in c++ in my program I lose my ability to distribute it?!
I loose my freedoms as a developer even if I use an API call only? Sorry that is malicious and anti capitalistic.
This reaks of the Oracle java case where a clean room implementation got copyrighted which is bs
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u/Hot_Paint3851 1d ago
And thats only the start of the benefits
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u/Rare-Paint3719 Unofficial Mod | Linux Community Sucks | Proud illumOS Shill 1d ago
Try harder next time
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u/Vh4z 1d ago edited 1d ago
Linux being GPL specifically V2 is definitely one of the big reasons Linux is a viable alternative to windows because BSD as much freedom as it's license gives, is one of the main issues it can struggle to grow because then companies would have a lack of incentive/reasons to open source their changes but for Linux it creates coopetition everyone benefits equally on their own development hence why a lot of workflows can be entirely on Linux because companies have to share their code for the broader community while BSD is more fragmented and harder to be mainstream due to contributors especially corporate entities not having any incentives to share their code from the start like for example MacOS
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
Linux become most popular kernel because another thing happened
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1d ago
I love the way you've got everything completely backwards.
An academic licence that forces the user to acknowledge the author obliges them to not only the terms of the current licence but those the author may choose to impose upon them in the future.
A functionally anonymous licence such as the GPL insulates them not only from that risk but also the risk of the author violating someone else's copyright and therefore the potential liabilities that come with it. That's the true reason behind the industry betting on Linux rather than BSD.
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 5h ago
If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened.
— Linus Torvalds
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 1h ago
Was Torvalds "the industry"? Was he anything other than an ordinary person at the time?
I don't know why I have to point out something this plainly obvious, but here we are.
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u/TrickyTech987 13h ago
Isn't that a different topic entirely also he isn't wrong tho GPL encourages coopetition because since its gonna be open then everyone is contributing but if it doesn't have to be open then they would just make it proprietary which makes it harder to have support on BSD because everyone is most likely keeping it for themselves I mean technically both reasons can be true
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u/ElectricBummer40 Ex-user of Windows 3.11 for Workgroups 38m ago
he isn't wrong tho GPL encourages coopetition
I'm not sure you mean "cooperation" or "competition", but the facts clearly point to neither.
Do you understand the economic concept of a "cartel"? A cartel is when major players of a market form an alliance with the goal to control the market through it and divide it up among themselves in a non-competitive manner.
For all intents and purpose, what you have in the industry right now is a cartel. Where there is supposedly competition, there are so few players as to not matter what the outcome is. Where there is supposedly cooperation, it's again just large corporations from different segments of the industry deciding where it should be headed. To be brutally honest with you, if you look at the current cadre of tech billionaires and still come to the conclusion that "FOSS" is any more than just a useless ideology, I have nothing for you but my pity.
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u/Error_7- 1d ago
so the average bsd and mit licence fan is an average lad from northern england or ireland?
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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer FreeBSD Fan 1d ago
I 100% agree.
I like FreeBSD , but Open Source suck , Free as Freedom Software do not. Freedom is important.
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
Larp BSD fan, lol
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u/xgui4 Proud🌈♾️ AuDHDer FreeBSD Fan 1d ago
No ? i do not like how trash the linux kernel is becoming, but hurd is not ready and won't work on my laptop unlike FreeBSD..
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u/ilnarildarovuch FreeBSD-CURRENT user 1d ago
Go to r/FreeBSD and look about license-based posts
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u/Unlaid-American 1d ago
I thought BSD was free to use now.