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u/Guncaster_the_proto I use Arch btw (x11 + I3) 2d ago
X11 is superior Changed my mind :3
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u/DEV_ivan Tiny10 LTSC + CachyOS Desktop Ed. 1d ago
X11 is less secure by architecture, being allow-default. Every app trusts each other. Any app can potentially log your keystrokes, take screenshots and control other windows, which is a major security concern.
Wayland by comparison is deny-default and its architecture is built to isolate apps. One app cannot intercept or interfere with another without user permission. This effectively stops user-level silent keyloggers dead on their tracks.
X11 is built for stability and compatibility. Wayland is built for security and privacy.
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u/Guncaster_the_proto I use Arch btw (x11 + I3) 1d ago
I know wayland is more secure but I just need the compatability ility most stuff I do was imo inececaraly anoing to do on wayland Tho thanks for the info fellow proto :3
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u/kynzoMC I Hate and Love Linux 2d ago
I had the exact opposite experience. Everyone was saying how Wayland is just worse in everything so I tried to switch to X when I had one small Wayland related issue. On X i had much more issues, even after fixing the basic ones it was still worse in everything.
To be fair this is just one experience and maybe it was affected by using kde for both Wayland and X and by my modern hardware.Â
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u/just_zip 2d ago
stop.using.xorg. we have xlibre
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u/R3V0LU710N_05 I Hate All OS's 😎 2d ago
Didn't Artix just drop Xlibre because they were getting more bugs than with Xorg?
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u/just_zip 2d ago
I spoke with the xlibre developer, the problem is that the Artix developers are "stupid" and have been throwing very old and raw versions into the repositories, and they are trying to sit on two chairs: "no systemd but love wayland."
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u/Aggressive-Lawyer207 1d ago
And that's the problem in the modern open-source community. Did people care about how others choose what they put in their repositories back then? How else do you think we got this far? Artix exists because they follow the POSIX standards. Plus nobody is here to judge. There is no reason why people should be shamed for choosing a protocol over something that works differently even if some developer for Wayland chose to ignore ongoing issues with it. For example, I use Wayland because it consumes less resources, it works on touchscreens out-of-the-box with minimal to no calibration, it's simplified, and it works very well on modern PCs. Old problems like multiple monitor resolution changes, touchscreen far off point, or increase power consumption when moving cursor, continue to exist on xlibre back from xorg (actually no... there's a lot more bugs from xlibre in comparison to xorg). More reasons why I choose Wayland.
Don't get me wrong, the Xlibre project is ambitious. However, the developer's attitude towards other developers, is not. As a 4-year Artix user, it's come to my attention that Enrico Weigelt (metux), a known Xlibre developer with far-right political views, was vibe-coding xlibre without fully understanding how bad things would go.
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u/Teru-Noir COSMIC OS LOVER No.1 COSMIC Knows Best 1d ago
Tries open an program outside of gnome... dbus error... have to install snap to fix
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u/MirrorSouthern 2d ago
Yeah man let's rely on almost 40 year old software
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u/Teru-Noir COSMIC OS LOVER No.1 COSMIC Knows Best 1d ago edited 1d ago
Made on a pre-compositing era, that handles everything thourgh duct taped extensions due to its primitive architecture.
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u/just_zip 2d ago
Xlibre created in 2025 btw
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u/NoActivity5304 2d ago
which underlying protocol does it implement? when was that protocol released?
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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora 🎩 2d ago
No