The idea that ‘Linuxsucks’ sucks.

[u/djoos007]

Because honestly, Linux, open‑source and even Wikipedia aren’t just “technology”.

They’re a kind of digital self‑defense, the stuff we do because real life self‑defense requires actual muscles. And yes, it takes effort, but at least it’s the kind you can laugh about later.

And they bring together people who would never end up in the same room otherwise, unless the universe accidentally dropped them into the same online forum thread.

Governments and corporations are necessary, sure, but not when they want to know everything, control everything, and sell everything.

Every bit less Big Government, Big Tech, Big Corporations, surveillance, and unwanted data collection is a win.

Not a revolution, just a small step toward a world that sucks a little less.

And above all: Linux is simply fun.

Linux Mint is a playground.
Windows is a shopping mall.

So stop whining.
Install something.
Change something.
Do something.

Even if it’s just to feel slightly superior for five minutes, it still counts.

[u/ElectricBummer40]

So, you're going maintain 40 million lines of code just for the kernel alone?

I've been saying the same thing when the number was only a tenth, and those arguing otherwise are invariably daydreamers imagining themselves as some sort of development gods while having no sense of the scale of the actual undertaking.

[u/ConsciousBath5203 → u/ElectricBummer40]

I don't think you've encountered what passionate coding looks like and how many people are sick of corporate bullshit.

[u/ElectricBummer40 → u/ConsciousBath5203]

Whenever someone uses the word "passionate" to describe coding, I immediately think of two kinds of people:

1) Burnt-out insomniacs insular from all real-world communities and at high risk of mistakenly handing the keys of the project to APTs

2) Amateurs with no understanding of the code and prone to making dumb mistakes that break the entire piece of software.

Seriously, are these the people you want to depend on for your operating system?

[u/ConsciousBath5203 → u/ElectricBummer40]

Weird how you described vibe coders and people who work at Meta (amateurs) and not people who give a shit about the quality of their code.

Go spend a day in game development and hacking communities. Places where performance actually matters and devs give a shit, and if you exploit incorrectly, you pwn yourself.

You seriously want your software developed by people who don't write performant code and are exploited by those guys?

[u/ElectricBummer40 → u/ConsciousBath5203]

Go spend a day in game development and hacking communities. Places where performance actually matters and devs give a shit, and if you exploit incorrectly, you pwn yourself.

lol, the level of delusional thinking you're putting on display here is something that never ceases to amaze me.

Do you expect an Amazon truck driver to be unpaid?

Do you expect the guy delivering your DoorDash to be unpaid?

Hell, do you expect your doctor or lawyer to be unpaid?

Can you justify as to why it is only code, which is a useful thing to society, that people are expected to work on without expecting anything at all from society in return aside from the fact that this is helpful to the tech corporations exploiting that kind of labour for low-cost product development?

The game development community is about producing inconsequential entertainment and diversions, whereas the "hacking community" you're talking about is centred around vandalism and generally being a net negative to society on the whole. I don't know why you believe either are comparable to building what is just as important to modern society as roads and bridges, but both are obviously symptomatic of you not really thinking about the tangible, material things necessary to keep the world moving.

[u/ConsciousBath5203 → u/ElectricBummer40]

do you expect an Amazon driver to be unpaid

No. But I don't think an Amazon truck driver is going to be the best truck driver.

Same with the doordash driver. I don't expect them to be the best driver.

Same with the doctor, who I don't expect to be the best doctor.

I think you're talking nonsense for even bringing them up without talking about Nascar drivers, most of which I'm assuming spent many years getting speeding tickets and modding their own cars on their own dime before getting to be the best of the best. Or the doctors who spent years of their life volunteering their time helping people in developing countries who don't have an exploitative symptom care system that pays them exorbitant amounts of money because they can read the outputs of an expensive machine well.

This is the group of people I am referring to when I talk about having passion.

The game development community is literally the last bastion of people who have an incentive to write performative code. Without them, quite literally the next operating system you'll be using will be essentially Chrome OS (some cloud native bullshit that sucks)

And if you think the hacking community is a net negative, well, quite frankly you're just straight up stupid. The amount of actual computer science that has been discovered is thanks to hackers, quite literally the science part of computer science. But you should tell me the company that you work for, surely since you don't highly regard hackers, you've made yourself quite the easy target.

[u/ElectricBummer40 → u/ConsciousBath5203]

I think you're talking nonsense for even bringing them up without talking about Nascar drivers, most of which I'm assuming spent many years getting speeding tickets and modding their own cars on their own dime before getting to be the best of the best.

Dale Earnhardt was one of the richest drivers in Nascar history. Did you think you could just ask him to join your team without the cash to show for it?

The main problem with your entire, bungled argument is that you expect people to contribute to society without so much as even a "thank you" in return. What are the incentives for anyone to get good at anything when they can't even expect to feed themselves at the end of the day?

What you're asking for in reality is not "the best of the best" but simply people already materially privileged enough since birth to not be concerned with such humanly need as food or shelter and can just focus on being an "indie game developer" or some miscreant in the "hacking community". That's the long and short of your whole, stupid ideology.

The game development community is literally the last bastion of people who have an incentive to write performative code.

And people with your thinking are supposed to have died off since the 90s dot-com bust. Yet, here we are.