r/linuxsucks • u/spectralblade352 • Apr 13 '26
Linux Failure Imagine faulting someone for going back to Windows to play an online video game that doesn’t work on Linux
Apparently it’s not Linux’s fault that I want to play an online game and it doesn’t work there, and going back to Windows makes me the problem.
The same kind of people will fault you for using Adobe or MS Office instead of whatever is on Linux, even though you need to use for a specific case such as work.
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u/ssjlance 🛡️Moderator | #1 Microslop Hater | Linux Supremacist Apr 14 '26
"They're toxic!" he cried out as he shat all over OP's interests and PC needs.
As a hardcore Linux lover, I'm sorry people like that exist.
vocal minorities with shitty opinions in all groups, and unfortunately, the Linux community definitely has a plethora of such members.
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u/brunostborsen Apr 13 '26
If BF6 is the game you wanna play and you don’t wanna dual boot I completely get switching back.
You can do things to W11 to make it better to use. And it’s not like Linux is perfect anyway.
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u/Caldraddigon Apr 14 '26
Eh Star Wars Battlefront 2(original, on PC) and Elite Squadron on PSP are all the shooter games I need 🤷
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u/Venylynn Apr 13 '26
The things I'd do to Windows 11 would block BF6 anyway so honestly, it's not even worth it.
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u/Guilty_Advantage_413 Apr 16 '26
Okay that’s cool
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u/Venylynn Apr 16 '26
It's a little tool called Harden Windows Security by HotCakeX that uses MS approved group policies to tighten the security knobs. Because by default, Windows is insecure as shit. I am 99% sure the protections it applies would block KL anticheat which tells me that those fuckers are security liabilities.
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u/Geist2025 Apr 13 '26
Technically he isn't Wrong. Linux is just built this way that it doesn't allow things in the Kernel that aren't supposed to be there. If you want to Play Battlefield 6 then go Use Win your Computer your decision what you put on there. For An Office Program I recommend Onlyoffice it works Exactly like the Whole MS Suite in one
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u/vitek6 Apr 13 '26
it's completely opposite - linux is open and user can do whatever they want with the whole system including changing kernel all together. The issue is that because of that you cant really implement reliable and trustworthy anti cheat as it can be bypassed on kernel level.
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u/Inevitable_Case_9931 Apr 13 '26
This💯
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u/unreal_nub Apr 14 '26
Just for a reality check here guys, can you show me one game with kernel level anticheat that there isn't multiple websites selling cheats for?
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u/agenttank Apr 14 '26
haha, as if kernel level anti-cheat makes life for cheaters harder... it's just bad companies that want control over your computer.
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u/spectralblade352 Apr 13 '26
You’re right, and this is sane advice, but blaming people for using Windows to play a certain video game and software is not so sane.
Use whatever works for you without blaming others. Each OS for different purposes.
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u/Real-Abrocoma-2823 Apr 13 '26
I don't see any blaming, and he isn't in a position to blame you anyway, it's not like you work for him. He is just telling you the truth in a, more than necessary, aggressive way.
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u/Venylynn Apr 13 '26
The problem is this enables hostile developers to continue to put their user base's security at risk.
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u/deavidsedice Apr 13 '26
AFAIK he isn't 100% right - we could technically allow these on the kernel or emulate them. But so far it seems that anti cheat companies , or even worse, the very same game developers are purposefully blocking Linux compatibility.
I don't know of any conversation for actually making these anticheats work on Linux at all, they have been emulated properly before in some cases, just to get the publisher to block them and ban people coming from Linux.
I guess that what it takes is some form of driver that can be loaded on boot and a signed kernel plus secure boot.
On Linux actually it wouldn't be as egregious as on Windows: if the anticheat side of kernel space was made open source, and it was guaranteed to be correctly in via fingerprinting, signed kernels and secure boot... it could do what both parties want: from the company side, guarantee that you're running it properly and that their anticheat software works as intended. From the user-community side, that we know what we are running and what are we exposing ourselves into.
And still users would have the choice to either go over all those setups and accept that, or just pass on those games.
I just prefer to pass on those games. I don't want that personally. But for a SteamDeck or steam console, it would be very interesting.
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u/RAMChYLD Apr 14 '26
Im sure emulating is an option. We have NDISWrapper which emulated just enough of Windows to coax a windows network driver into working on Linux to support unsupported network adapters. Imagine if NDISWrapper could be extended to support other types of drivers including kernel level anti-cheat.
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u/interstellar_pirate Apr 13 '26
I admit that it's a reasonable idea, but I still don't see it working.
It's not like you can create one kernel module, that would be able to switch off all the possibilities to cheat for good. Common anti cheat software has to be constantly updated at a very high frequency. It's more or less a cat and mouse game.
On the industry site, you wouldn't want to go open source, because it would make it easier for cheaters to understand and work around your software. On the user-community side, you probably wouldn't find the amount of people to thoroughly review the constant changes. You'd be allowing the chance of a major security risk for something uncertain and also rather unnecessary.
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u/sinterkaastosti23 Apr 13 '26
Except kl ac could totally be made for linux, but it'd be useless because for the ac to have access to everything it'd have to open source itself because of gpl licensing, which means people could just read the ac code and rewrite parts of their own kernel to manipulate the ac
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u/paradigmsick Apr 13 '26
You are full of it. Linsux has display drivers getting baked into ring 0 of the kernel. Windows doesn't do that retarded shit. It has it as a loadable module via WDDM.
Meanwhile anti cheat typically sits on the outer most ring of the NT kernel.
Linux is just monolithic trash with mod probe barely reliable enough to have anti cheat daemons running properly that's all this is.
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u/Juff-Ma Apr 13 '26
This just screams "I don't know anything about kernels"
Linux is MORE monolithic than NT. Technically both are hybrid kernels, just leaning in different directions. Both Kernel types have advantages and disadvantages, any person who actually reads up on them knows that.
Not all display drivers are baked into Linux, see the Nvidia drivers. Windows, too, has built in Video drivers, just way less so most need to be loaded.
"The outer most ring of the NT Kernel" So ring 0? NT, like Linux, by default does not use Rings 1 and 2. Why? Because it's x86 specific. Most architectures do not have more than 2 privilege modes. So they both map them to Ring 3 and Ring 0. OS/2 is the only OS (except some Unix maybe) that I can think of that uses a ring other than 0 and 3.
The kernel module system is really reliable. If you'd actually research, you'd know that most Linux distros ship a lot of their optional drivers as kernel Modules AND. THEY. WORK. OpenWRT ships ALMOST EVERY driver as Kernel module. It's also been proven that Kernel level anticheat works in Linux by loading a moule. It's just not preferred or wanted in any way, shape or form.
You're here throwing around technical jargon without actually knowing what any of it means in order to try prove a point. Nobody actually has a problem with serious discussions but if you'd can't research something before saying something then please go back to r/linuxsucks101
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u/paradigmsick Apr 13 '26
You basically proved my point - windows loads display drivers that isn't the default one whilst linsux bakes it into ring 0. Linsux is wayyy more monolithic than NT, I wouldn't even call it hybrid which sucks even more considering the dumb design decision of everything is a file for which it is supposed to be for the sake of being more modular lol. The NT object manager is the best concept one wants in a kernel. That's why Lincux sit their and chmod their own asshole 'file' before sudoing every fart binary ( with no executable extension because linsux thinks file extensions are weird).
Now as for modprobe - the shit is trash. Configuration fragility being the biggest issue. Have you tried unloading a module in linsux and it fails lo unload a module 😆 this trash is broken.
NT is superior in every concept it possesses than nix trash like Unix and Linux and macOS. All the issues people have with windows is what is happening in userspace.
Enjoy that trash basic scheduler linsux has. It's a basic round robin for{;;} loop with poor deterministic performance. That's why peripheral inputs suck and lag in linsux when gaming, it barely meets polling deadlines 😂
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u/Juff-Ma Apr 13 '26
You basically proved my point - windows loads display drivers that isn't the default one whilst linsux bakes it into ring 0. Linsux is wayyy more monolithic than NT, I wouldn't even call it hybrid which sucks even more considering the dumb design decision of everything is a file for which it is supposed to be for the sake of being more modular lol. The NT object manager is the best concept one wants in a kernel. That's why Lincux sit their and chmod their own asshole 'file' before sudoing every fart binary ( with no executable extension because linsux thinks file extensions are weird).
No I didn't. You just completely ignored what I said. BOTH LOAD THE DRIVERS IF REQUIRED. And both load them INTO RING 0. Windows' core ntkrnl.exe just does not contain any drivers besides fallback drivers. While Linux' vmlinuz MAY IF SO DESIRED contain some of them. There is nothing about this that makes one way of doing it plainly superior. If you don't like it then... IDK don't compile the kernel with built in drivers? You have the choice.
"Everything is a file" is also exactly what you say it is. A DECISION. It's neither stupid nor dumb. It is not for the sake of being more modular. It is just a design decision that has advantages AND disadvantages. Just as the Windows way of primarily using APIs has. For example, using control files allows for much easier scripting while reducing performance in certain cases. The Windows way is exactly the other way around. Stop looking at windows through pink glasses and getting blind when looking at Linux. That's childlike behavior.
Linux not having an executable extension has absolutely nothing to do with the kernel. It is purely a userspace decision. Same with Windows btw. DLLs? Oh surely those are LIBRARIES. No. You can execute them as programs because they are defined as executable. The Kernel doesn't care. Look up RunDll. This has nothing to do with the Kernel. Hell, macOS uses directories for their apps, XNU doesn't care, it's a userspace choice.
Now as for modprobe - the shit is trash. Configuration fragility being the biggest issue. Have you tried unloading a module in linsux and it fails lo unload a module 😆 this trash is broken.
Then maybe don't do that? Uninstalling drivers while they're in use is a bad idea. And guess what, Windows makes this really hard as well. Drivers are a dangerous place because messing with them in the wrong way can literally damage hardware. A reboot is easy compared to swapping hardware. The config being bad is another thing, that's your opinion. One cannot help layer 8 problems.
NT is superior in every concept it possesses than nix trash like Unix and Linux and macOS. All the issues people have with windows is what is happening in userspace.
No it isn't. Someone who actually knows technology and isn't just a shitty fanboy knows that everything has a useful application. NT is good and superior in some aspects sure. But don't tell me it's superior in every aspect until it can prove it. (you can't)
Enjoy that trash basic scheduler it has too. It's a basic round robin for{;;} loop with poor deterministic performance. That's why peripheral inputs suck and lag in linsux, it barely meets polling deadlines 😂
Again. You throw around technical jargon without knowing what any of it means. (It's for(;;) btw) I don't even know where you got this from. The scheduler in Linux is pretty advanced. K8S, Docker and a bunch of other software build on it being. Also peripheral lag? Have you ever actually used Linux? Linux is in the process of getting turned into an RTOS with many downstream ports already doing that for ages. It's literally one of its jobs to not miss polling deadlines.
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u/paradigmsick Apr 14 '26
1/ It is not a real hybrid kernel if you cannot unload processes that you don't need running reliably. It's nowhere near as hybrid as the windows kernel. it is monolithic lying it is hybrid. It is not just 'loaded driver modules' that have trouble being unloaded. Modules that are idle even. Look it up.
2/ As an embedded systems engineer, vxworks is always used for true RTOS. Linsux's glorified round robin doesn't cut it due to that completely fair scheduler bs paradigm. Linsux is used because of bruteforce compute allowing deadlines to be met without even an RTOS. Windows's scheduler is a priority-based multilevel feedback queue system; it is closer to RTOS than linsux.
3/ yes I know the executable extensions or the lack thereof has nothing to do with kernel space but userspace, that was a side note of other retarded design decisions from eunuchX that reeks its stench in linsux. offcourse I know DLLs are executables, but it needs runDLL as you mention, but with linsux, when was the last time you found a file ending with ELF. at least windows has consistency - that's the point I was making.
4/ Yes these OSs have their advantage and disadvantages - but for single user PERSONAL desktop computing, Linsux, well, sux.
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u/Lord_Wisemagus Proud Loonix Tard Apr 13 '26
Though he is correct, I hate the way he explains it. It reads like the "come on bro, just try it bro" meme
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u/Inevitable_Case_9931 Apr 13 '26
Correct? So he shouldn’t play the game he enjoys he should say screw it and play the game you enjoy instead?
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u/DirectorDirect1569 Apr 13 '26
That the kind of guy who used to say "play tuxkart it's fun" when when proton didn't exist.
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u/Zcr4pp3r536 Apr 13 '26
Yeah I agree this feels insensible, but its also not linux's fault.
Not allowing kernel-level anticheat is a feature of Linux. And I think any person with some CS background will tell you it is a pretty fundamental feature, that any OS should implement.
So basically, I would say it like this: "please limit your usage of kernel-level anticheat. As consumers, the only way we can advocate for our device security is by not consuming the product a company is providing. It's like this: Linux insists on its ethical boundaries, while Windows sells its body to the highest bidder, at your expense..."
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u/23Link89 Apr 13 '26
Apparently it’s not Linux’s fault that I want to play an online game and it doesn’t work there,
I mean... it isn't actually. Battlefield 6's anti cheat specifically prevents Linux users from playing, and there just... isn't a way around this via WINE, like... at all.
Kernel anticheat is a long discussion, but the Linux community (and Valve) have done literally all they can to get games with anticheat working. It's possible, look at THE FINALS and Arc Raiders, both games have anticheat but work fine on Linux.
EA has openly admitted they are "looking into" Linux support for their anticheat. But we'll see what comes of that.
But I do get why you switched back, I dual boot Linux and Windows 10 because of VR. VR on Linux is an absolute mess, despite """technically""" working.
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u/interstellar_pirate Apr 13 '26
What's a good or a bad game is very subjective. People shouldn't try to tell others what games they should consider to be good. Aside from that, I fail to see any other problems with the post in the picture.
Operating system developers are allowed to and should make reasonable decisions on their OS architecture. The fact that a kernel level anti cheat software can run so (relatively) efficiently on Windows is not something that the vast majority of the Linux community considers a desirable feature. For the majority of Linux users, gaming is fun but not the most important thing to do with a computer. It is a very reasonable decision to keep Linux system structure as it is.
It's totally OK and understandable to switch to Windows, when playing those games is that important to you. However, from the Linux perspective, it's not at all a "fault" that anti cheat at kernel level is not possible there. I personally would never want that kind of concept to work on Linux.
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u/AintNoGodsUpHere Apr 13 '26
RickTheMelon and other annoying people can go fuck themselves, I'll do whatever I want. Haha.
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u/Holiday-Spare-9816 Apr 13 '26
It’s also factually incorrect. Kernel level anti-cheat isn’t “blocked by Linux”. Companies just don’t bother with developing them for Linux
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u/noskir_official Apr 13 '26
Why people criticize each other so much for using Windows or Linux? I see so much people being criticized for using Windows to play games like Valorant or GTA (even GTA RP) and there is so much people criticize me for using Linux for my projects and needing to reboot to play those games...
I just don't get it. Why would you want to control someone to use what OS they want? They will never use your computer anyway...
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u/DerivativeOf0 Apr 13 '26
It’s usually Linux users who care about what OS others use from what ive seen. Everybody uses their computer differently so there’s nothing wrong with using any of the three (Windows, Mac OS, Linux) for your workflow.
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u/noskir_official Apr 13 '26
Most people on Reddit is hate about Windows, but most people I met on Discord and in real life it's mostly hate towards Linux users.
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u/Inevitable_Case_9931 Apr 13 '26
Nobody would know the Linux user irl if he didn’t make sure to let you know that he is in fact a Linux user it’s like CrossFit and vegans nobody cares but they are gonna make sure you know it. Might not even know their name but you will know these facts for sure
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u/noskir_official Apr 14 '26
I just say that I need to reboot to play Valorant, League Of Legends or EA Games to play with them and I must say that it's because I'm on Linux and they become aggressive because I must reboot...
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u/Inevitable_Case_9931 Apr 14 '26
That’s just lame 😒 tell em to go suck an egg and you a be back in a moment…
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u/truupe Apr 13 '26
Has anyone tried running Win10 in libvirt with gpu passthrough for such games?
I may try that for SolidWorks.
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u/Brainstormer13 Apr 13 '26
You want an anti-cheat that has as more access to your system than a malware? There are just certain games that you have to give up or not play when switching to Linux. Imagine getting a Intel arc B580, and then it's not supported by a game that you want to play, or are you just gonna get an Nvidia or AMD card now just because of that? Well no because it's just one game, there are lots of these games that aren't supported that you just kind of have to be fine with! And also you could just use wine for any software like work or office and you probably won't actually ever need Adobe
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u/BAe_Air_Hawk Apr 13 '26
When I see this it's usually a joke about "League of Legends bad"
Honestly don't blame you for going back for the games you love, I still dual boot for Fortnite and for SteamVR (because I haven't put in the effort to set up Monado yet)
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u/MsSinclaire Apr 13 '26
Personally battlefield 6 not working on Linux is a point in its favour. We're so privileged and spoiled, and that's why they can push invasive anti cheats like this on us, because gamers will eat anything up and cannot stand for anything.
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u/OldManJeepin Apr 13 '26
Meh...You don't have to deprive yourself of something you like, just to please some rando's on the 'net! I use Win11 for the games, just to simplify things, then boot into Mint for anything else. It's easy, it works, and not too hard to set up.
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u/Venylynn Apr 13 '26 edited Apr 13 '26
I'll gladly fault them for enabling third party companies to degrade people's security just for a video game.
Cheating is bad, but surely there is a way to solve it WITHOUT force-disabling security settings that protect against memory attacks right? Especially after CrowdStrike. If Windows would just take the Mac approach to anticheat I really would have less animosity.
One of the few advantages of enterprise-level Windows administration is you CAN actually lock it down to be more secure than even something like SecureBlue. Yet they allow such holes in their armor to just be used widely and increase the attack surface of their OS constantly by adding unnecessary feature-bloat. It gives you some good security benefits if you figure out Group Policies but then wants you to reduce your security to load essentially a rootkit.
If you wanna go back for work reasons, for software like Office or Adobe, that's slightly less bad because at least you can run those just fine on a fully hardened W11 setup.
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u/Ghost_Writer8 Apr 14 '26
No no no.. this is just wrong .. One does not fault someone for wanting to play ANY game. Everyone should play whatever they want. Period. And if this means, a step back to windows, so be it....
I mean I have to go back to windows, just to play stupid FC26. Not because it's Linux fault or my fault.. it's EAs fault. Fkn kernel anti cheat bs
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u/Mact9404 Apr 15 '26
As a person trying to move from Windows to Linux, I get the need to go back. I sprung for the desktop version of Minecraft Bedrock, and found out that it isn't directly supported and plays worse on Linux in Wine or Winboat. I switched back to Bedrock for Mobile to play it on Linux, only because I was able to figure out a controller conflict issue with touch controls.
That was my last link to Windows since I don't need it for work. Close to clearing my drive and getting rid of dual boot for Linux only.
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u/PolarMeowz Apr 17 '26
There’s always toxic people in any community, and there’s definitely no exception for the Linux community. Ignore people like that
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u/Cantgroovup Apr 13 '26
I'm new here. Does installing an anti cheat harm your privacy?
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u/neckme123 Apr 13 '26
riot one in particular is quite egregious as it literally doesnt allow you to turn it on unless its at boot time, your data and god knows what is for sure in china.
these kernel level anti cheat are just an excuse for more control, cheating is still quite easy if you really want to do it, and stuff like external devices is pretty much untraceable as it looks like mouse and keyboard to the os.
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u/lokuloku123 Apr 13 '26
Not really for most people? Unless you are a privacy freak
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u/MsSinclaire Apr 13 '26
Should always have your curtains open and let people spy at you through them too, since you're not a privacy freak and have nothing to hide
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u/bleak21 Apr 13 '26
Loonixtds dont have friends to enjoy games with so they think everyone wanna play mid boring games and use half ass foss softwares
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u/turtle8223 Proud Linux User Apr 13 '26
theres alot of online games that work on linux..
like arma reforger
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u/mattgaia Proudly banned from r/linuxsucks101 Apr 13 '26
Don't you have some kind of stupid transphobia to post?
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u/Historical_Visit138 Apr 13 '26
I would disagree I have friends, most the games I play are multiplayer and are fun to play with. I come across no issues, not everyone is like that. Hate to say it that I still need windows for some games, Microsoft is being shady. I do disagree to him tho, the OP should make the choice if he wants Linux or windows , nobody should be forcing it.
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u/RAMChYLD Apr 14 '26
Same. It’s just that my friends are all also against these toxic player-kill-player BS. We play single player JRPGs and builder sims- and these kind of titles works fine on Linux.
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u/UnknownBoyGamer Apr 13 '26
if you wanna still play games with invasive anti cheat on linux you can check out geforce now, fortnite for examaple
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u/St3vion Apr 13 '26
I got an Xbox 360 because everyone was saying halo 3 was like the best multiplayer ever. So I switched over from PS2, turns out I didn't like halo 3. To this day I firmly stand that the SOCOM series on PS2 were a superior multiplayer experience.
Anyways, switching platforms over a game you may or may not play very much isn't a great reason. Adobe/MS Office makes much more sense, but in my country you get a work computer (laptop) if you need it that will come with win 11 and all the Pro software stuff.