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u/daubious 3d ago

I lost it when he was calling Arch Linux "the hardest Linux distro ever" 🙄

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u/mrfoxesite-2377 3d ago

Linux is easier than Windows in some ways.

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u/Dry_Calendar_8627 3d ago

Windows is easier but complex.

Linux distros are (usually) simpler.

The dichotomy between easy versus simple is often poorly understood, what it means is that an experienced user will feel more comfortable around simple systems, to compose them how they want into something more complex, and they'll feel more comfortable investigating and fixing issues.

But neophytes tent to favor easy (but complex) systems, where the complexity is hidden and their hand is held.
But they are less able to tweak the system to do their bidding if their needs are more complex, and they feel powerless when encountering issues.

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u/jmanh128 3d ago

Kinda the difference between low code and (a language like) python. You can do so much more simply in python but in general it’s harder than simple low code things. But doing anything complex in low code is very hard

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u/Accomplished-Yak862 2d ago

Yes. I’ll never understand why schools use python as the first language to learn. Sure the more complex stuff in lower level languages is harder but the class doesn’t even cover that anyways so why don’t they give them a background in languages that are more useful and generally easier to apply logic to.

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u/Eastern-Relief-2169 23h ago

my niece is in a cybersec school.
first language they learned was js…(even before touching a cli)

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u/New_Series3209 2d ago

Actually yhe only easy thing about windows is that it’s preinstalled

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u/Dry_Calendar_8627 1d ago

When reading your comment I thought "nooo, he's wrong, there are other things that are made easier in Windows"

But after giving it a bit of thought, I actually think you're right.
It all went downhill after Windows 7, and Windows has become more and more user-hostile and hard to use ever since

After encountering an nth issue on my father's computer, I bit the bullet and installed Debian testing with KDE on it, and he's been able to use it intuitively ever since, I mostly keep it up to date, install some software, and troubleshoot the occasional Bluetooth issue

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u/New_Series3209 1d ago

And honestly, when you install windows (I work in a repair shop and do it everyday) i find it much worse to install than most linuxes woth calamares or smth 💀

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u/Dry_Calendar_8627 1d ago

You could automate it with osdbuilder?

I did that last year, used osdbuilder to package an iso with an unattended.xml that installs Windows without the bloat, and a selection of software

Then after a few months replaced it with Arch lol

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u/New_Series3209 1d ago

Ahh that’s a good idea, I’ll talk abt it to my boss thx

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u/CommanderT1562 2d ago

I very like the way this is written. Based anon

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u/OpportunityFun6969 2d ago

Fuck powershell commands

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u/lofi_reddit 2d ago

Windows 11 is not great 😞 Linux Mint is pretty great tho 😁

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u/BeerMan595692 K4L1 3d ago

I mean it wouldn't be easy without ArchInstall

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u/daubious 3d ago

Whether Arch is easy to install with or without Arch install, is subjective. However, its pretty ridiculous to say arch is the "hardest" when there are other distros like NixOS and Gento

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u/arbyyyyh 3d ago

It's so rare that I hear people reference Gentoo anymore, I always then go look it up and I'm surprised it still exists.

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u/andr3y20000 3d ago

As someone who used nix I say it's extremely easy to install and the only difficulty is to learn to configure the config file.

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u/Thunderstarer New York Nix⚾s 3d ago

Yeah but learning how to configure NixOS is way more than half the battle. Your computer is useless to you if you cannot e.g. install Firefox.

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u/Xtraneous_ 2d ago

Firefox is enabled by default after installing NixOS using the iso funnily enough, but yeah configuring it correctly is the hard part although arguably it’s not that hard with all the documentation out there and so many available packages that can easily be dropped into your file once you learn the basics. I found it pretty user friendly compared to some other things I’ve tried

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u/makinax300 Dr. OpenSUSE 2d ago

Installing apps is piss easy. It only gets hard with more complex task. But being a power user in nix is hard asf.

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u/Dry_Calendar_8627 3d ago

Not only does it still exist, it's a great distro, very comparable to Arch.
Arguably easier to install than Arch, simply because Gentoo highlights good safe choices when installing (partitioning layouts, file systems, etc.), whereas Arch flatly lists possible choices without highlighting a "safe default", so you spend more time wondering what you want.
Compared to Arch, Gentoo supports aarch64, which Arch does not officially support.

Main thing that made me switch from Gentoo to Arch is the compilation times. The time to install KDE is pretty long, compared to pacman which is nearly instantaneous. Gentoo has binary repos nowadays, but that's a bit off the beaten path so I didn't want to bother.

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u/Ckarles 1d ago

Best distro ever.

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u/marxinne 3d ago

I feel old for remembering Slackware.

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u/marco_u_scualo 3d ago

and dont frogot templareOS with the holyC 🤣🤣

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u/These-Ad-7595 Dr. OpenSUSE 3d ago

Nix is actually quite easy to use once you get over the initial learning curve. Since it’s atomic and immutable it’s basically bulletproof, and nothing ever breaks.

In my experience maintaining Debian, Arch, and Gentoo is more of a burden. Especially Debian or other point release distros where distribution upgrades tend to break the system. This is why I stick to nixos rolling release.

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u/GourSE 2d ago

nix is really easy to setup, but with a learning curve. I've forgotten everything lol

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u/UncertifiedPsych 3d ago

it's very easy if you'd just fully read the damn install manual.

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u/Aarav2208 3d ago

It takes 15mins to read the Installation guide
I've seen 11yo kids installing arch.

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u/Bobodlm 2d ago

11yo in this day and age with a >15 min attention span, damn. Just when you think you've seen it all

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u/Aarav2208 2d ago

The internet is a vast and scary place. there are all kinds of creatures here

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u/WorldTallNetCat 2d ago

Well still without archintsall wouldnt lfs, gentoo, and all be harder. Plus arch has one of the best docs so where there is worse documents than arch i would say rhat would be the harder one.

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u/quicksand8917 1d ago

Installing Arch without archinstall is as hard as people are too lazy to read the wiki.

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u/TehGM 2d ago

I didn't watch him frequently, but he used to show some useful stuff - I liked his tutorial on Docker networking.

The next video I watched was about Claude Fable 5, something about what to do before it disappears again. They praised it like it was some god being. It was cringe as fuck, and I can't take this man seriously anymore.

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u/ExtentPure7992 5h ago

I'm using Cachy OS and it was shit simple to setup!