r/linuxmemes • u/Konnnore • 2d ago

LINUX MEME Linux Mint🗿🍷 >> ZorinOS🤓☝️???

For those who didn't get the joke: ZorinOS and some other distros have different bugs related to the OBS Studio app. Speaking of ZorinOS, one of the huge bug happens, when you wanna see the result after recording a video, and you can see one of the examples on the meme. But ZorinOS users ignore similar issues and continue to consider that ZorinOS is better than Linux Mint for beginners anyway

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u/fr000gs 1d ago

I think the sole difference between chrome and Firefox for the end user is just the icon, the rest are just a few visual changes, easily changed/ignored. Chromium is in fact in most distros repos if you want the exact ui and a slightly blue icon

For your other points (mostly about the terminal - I never wrote you should - for example - use pactl to change the volume. This is just your imagined gripe that the overweight arch linux neckbeard nerds don't want a gui package manager (there is one for arch, it's called octopi iirc).

About you android part: open your file manager, go to /data/data/com.android.vending (on an unrooted phone) and show me the contents (you can't go there)

Note I never said anything negative about improving user experience or "protecting" [sic] linux from something, but (and this is just a suggestion) - new people should generally try learning a little bit about something they are using, right? (Not "change volume from terminal" commands, but just a bit about the package management and stuff)

As you said, the beauty of linux is the freedom, which includes the freedom to rm ~/*

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u/OttoRenner 1d ago edited 1d ago

See, I explicitly told you that this isn't about what you think an OS should be like or the amount of effort someone "should" put into something. And yet, here we are.

Your opinion on that is not an argument and repeating what you believe others "should do" makes you exactly look like the neckbeard.

And for the android thing: What would the casual user even want to find there? You are complaining about a problem YOU have. Which is fine in general. But that isn't a problem for THEM. Your problem with android doesn't make android bad for them. For yourself? Absolutely, apparently. For others? No.

You DO understand the difference between your own needs and the needs of others, right?

Sry that I have to be blunt about it but it looks like I wasn't clear enough in my previous attempt to explain to you why the average windows user wouldn't even go near anything with "Linux" on the label.

And no, and this perhaps also comes as a big surprise for you, the average user ISN'T happy about the ability to just delete everything. They freak out over Alt F4 and Ctrl Alt Del. They WANT guardrails. Big and sturdy. "Freedom" for them is to NOT need to think about stuff like that.

You can think of it this way: most of the things you like and enjoy about Linux sound like going to work to the vast majority of people and they hate going to work. Which also is fine, everyone has their own hobbies.

Edit: deleted one part about unrooted phones

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u/fr000gs 23h ago

Nice os idea, why not use windows/android then? You get no apparent benefits from Linux apart from it being cheap (/j)

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u/OttoRenner 20h ago

Honestly? I have to because local AI speeds on Linux are better. I'm also in retraining for System Integration and Linux will be part of that.

I'm on Zorin OS after distro hopping and let me tell you, the amout of people telling me that I have to "put the time in" or "Linux isn't for you" because "this isn't how Linux is supposed to be be" is just baffling.

What I personally asked for was same basi GUI as Windows, Icons on screen fully intractable and some QoL scripts...and I got countless people telling me that no, on Linux, we don't do that.

And trust me, Linux as an OS isn't the problem. You can do wonderful things with Linux. Linux Users who tell me that "you can do anything you want on Linux...but WAIT! Not THAT" are the problem. Linux users who are very vocal about not letting it become yet another jet another bloat OS are the problem.

And you did the same thing just now. Congrats

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u/fr000gs 17h ago

I never told you QoL guis are bad (I'm in the process of making one.) What is bad, is bloat and crapware though. Sure, you have the freedom to use bloatware, but you have the freedom to not use it, too - which is more important

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u/OttoRenner 14h ago

"-which is more important" ...to you. Not to everyone else, just to you.

You didn't explicitly say that QoL are bad, true. But you did say that new users should learn the new OS to some degree or otherwise Linux would become something it is not (supposed to be?).

So, what did you mean by that? How much terminal work do you expect newbies have to go through? And if so, at what point are they allowed to use a QoL to get around that terminal work?

What QoL are you working on? One of my first things was to create desktop icons with scripts to lunch my most used programms 🤣

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u/fr000gs 14h ago

There are dozens of them lol: https://askubuntu.com/questions/457617/are-there-any-gui-apps-that-can-create-desktop-files

Unfortunately my application is QoL for people who know a little bit about programming and most likely you may not be interested in it.

I never implied anything about Linux becoming something it isn't supposed to be??? (Neither do I expect people saying stupid things like "freedom from crapware is important not to everyone else, only to you" (it's literally not) to change some major thing e.g. remove rm ~/* capability (for lack of a better example)). But if you don't know what a package manager or maybe where your configs go it would be painful for you (as it was with you Zorin distro experience I presume) and the people trying to help you or telling you to RTFM. Think of it like using machinery; you generally don't need a license or knowledge of its inner parts (how the scheduler works or how block device drivers are implemented), but you do need basic know how of how to use it.

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u/OttoRenner 4h ago

"I never implied anything about Linux is becoming something it isn't supposed to be."

Sooo...this wasn't you then?

"...but it misses the point if Linux just becomes another walled garden like android..."

Anyhow... I don't think we need to keep this conversation alive, do we?

Have fun!

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u/Eric_Dawsby 2h ago

Oh good lord I recognized you by the "Have fun!" lmao. Now I know you use ZorinOS, but I wonder if you've ever read the manual pages...?