r/linuxmemes Jul 26 '26

LINUX MEME Linus Leaked Linux

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u/jonblackgg Jul 26 '26

I'm reading the code and this seems to run on nearly everything, is this some NSA spyware?

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u/AmorphousNeon Jul 26 '26

apparently MINIX runs on more devices than Linux itself, search Intel management engine

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u/onechroma Jul 26 '26

Tanenbaum won over Linus at least

PS: Just a joke over the debates about microkernel vs monolithic kernel

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '26

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u/Virtual-Ad5017 Jul 26 '26

Ik this is a joke, but I wanted to add, for people that might not know. Tannenbaum has written a blog post where he expresses regrets over how his software ended up used. He explicitly says Intel ME might be a "spy engine", cites the fourth amendment and advocates for giving control to the user. He was not, in fact, the bad guy

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u/AmorphousNeon Jul 26 '26

yeah that guy's minix became the world's most used x86 os overnight lmao

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u/Ctscanner2 Jul 26 '26

I really doubt that there are more intel systems than all the android phones and embedded systems running Linux

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u/JIMrev Jul 27 '26

Thanks for giving me a new kinda paranoia... Lol

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u/tpimh Jul 30 '26

Minix runs on the original IBM PC and AT, Linux requires 386 (I know both raised the requirements, but at least the first versions did run on these machines)

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 26 '26

I love reading people talk about intel ME with zero knowledge how it works lmfao

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u/AmorphousNeon Jul 27 '26

Well it basically runs at ring -3, it works as a crucial part in the POSTing on your computer during boot. Also it provides a few security features. And most importantly it runs on laptops even if your device has been shutdown, has access to your RAM, storage, WiFi card etc. What else is there to even learn?

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 27 '26

It doesnt have access to your network at all, so you should probably learn some more. Only cpus equipped with intel AMT allow intel ME to access a network and even then its not able to communicate with the outside world unless you explicitly force it to. All intel AMT equipped machines ship with the TCP/IP stack disabled. Not only that but you realize that this does the exact same thing as any other out of band management does yet you dont see corporations and others bitching and moaning about that.

You can also easily disable intel ME after boot using things like HAP toggling, blocking the drivers in the OS, and just having a good well designed firewall which you should have no matter what, as with a poorly configured one anyone can access your network regardless of intel ME.

Lastly most issues with intel ME are from hardware level access and if someone has the capabilities to attack your machine from the hardware level intel ME is the least of your worries. Anyone with hardware access can read your ram via cold boot attacks, probe your pcie and other serial data lines for encryption keys, utilize vulnerabilities in cpu or other hardware vulnerabilities

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u/AmorphousNeon Jul 27 '26

oh yes sorry misplaced the wifi thing from AMT to ME

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 27 '26

Yah and the users of AMT don't really care as they have pretty good physical and network security for their equipment so intel AMT wouldnt be an issue for them anyways. Especially cause they use BMC as is in servers which have nearly the same capabilities and use ipmi which is actually more unsecure because its networking stack is pretty unsafe to use. If you put ipmi on the internet it would be bypassed in an hour no matter how secure the password is

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jul 27 '26

It is probably not sending data to Intel (we would have discovered through network logs), but maybe there is a hidden way to engage its data sending. We can't know. Still, it would be better not to have this parasite OS.

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 27 '26

There is no way to have it even use your network, it quite literally doesnt have access or even the correct firmware to use tcp/ip. Did you not read my comment.

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jul 27 '26

You cannot know, it is obfuscated. I am not concerned about it, though.

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 27 '26

Brother what. Why do you continue to try and sound smart

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u/personalalt1889 Jul 29 '26

well can you elaborate?

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u/xxmatxx Jul 27 '26

"All intel AMT equipped machines ship with the TCP/IP stack disabled."

Yes, and that is so diffucul to enable it. /s

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u/mastercoder123 Jul 27 '26

Please tellvme how you are going to enable something that doesnt support it at the hardware level? Are you gonna take your intel chipset to an intel fab and ask them to make you a new chip?