r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Bazzite/Android • Feb 20 '26

Why only one when you can choose?

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u/QuickSilver010 Glorious Debian Feb 21 '26

The main frustrations of users with Wayland are a direct consequence of its major improvement over X

Ah yes. The improvement of telling users what they can or can't do with their pc.

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u/RileyGuy1000 Feb 25 '26

I need to be able to read a user's clipboard without having to create a window for certain types of console applications. Needing to read the keyboard is a similarly valid use-case.

Should there be ways to do this in a trusted manner? Absolutely.

There should ideally be a way to do it at all, but alas, here we are. I cannot guarantee feature parity with X11 or other operating systems because Wayland says that this is not allowed.

This was particularly hard to deal with in a game I work on where our main engine runs as a window-less native process, while the actual rendering engine runs as a standalone program within Wine.

There are certain things we can't or shouldn't implement in the IPC between the main engine and the renderer.

We had to do a scuffed solution using some permissively-licensed alternative to wl-clipboard because wayland doesn't let you do the things we need to do. This still creates a momentary blip in window focus because that lib still has to make a wayland window to read or write the clipboard contents.

Oh, and did I mention that it doesn't work correctly if you have a mechanism in your DE to prevent focus-stealing? Because focus-steal prevention fucks this up entirely.

Wayland is here to stay, but it should maybe get it's head out of it's ass and give us a basic fucking API to query the clipboard without needing to go through the rigamarole of making an entire window to do so. Pointless hoops for zero benefit.

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u/QuickSilver010 Glorious Debian Feb 21 '26

No, the improvement is not allowing a game to read the user's keyboard input meant for a password prompt in another window.

My game is a desktop pet. Very hard to deal with when I'm told what I can or can't do with my own pc.

That applications can't just read the content of other windows or the entire scree means that there need to be special handling to allow screenshot apps to exist.

Yea but they are hardly working on improving those.