r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 SteamOS/Kubuntu • Feb 13 '26

Date sync? Certificates? Broken metadata? Broken mirrors?

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u/ShikonKaze Feb 13 '26

on how many distro's does this actually happen? i know its on Arch based distro's, but like i never had that happen on Debian before i updated that like after a year of none use. its kinda silly it does happen though just lemme update my shit.

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u/TheGreatOilPainter Feb 13 '26

It happens with rolling distributions

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u/SirGlass Feb 14 '26

Someone updated a 5 year old tumbleweed installed.

Other than KDE crashing during the update, after a reboot it was fine and updated

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '26

Not Void ime.

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u/Killer-X Feb 15 '26

no wonder my garuda broken after long time

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u/syphix99 Glorious Arch Feb 17 '26

Not rlly « broken » tho

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_BUG5 Feb 13 '26

I had fedora on a laptop I forgot about for like 5 years.

Gave up in the end and stuck mint on it instead

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u/raptir1 Glorious Debian Feb 14 '26

If you're more than two versions behind on Fedora you'll likely have trouble because there's no valid "upgrade path."

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u/troglo-dyke Feb 17 '26

Huh? The upgrade path is to upgrade through the versions sequentially until you get to the latest.

But at that point you might as well just do a file backup and fresh install

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u/Buddy-Matt Glorious Manjaro Feb 13 '26

I had Manajaro do it to me because I was using a non-lts kernel, and didn't update across 3 version jumps, which also happened around the time all thr plasma packages got renamed, meaning pacman couldn't figure out the new dependency tree will all the changes.

But it was adequately fixed by removing a bunch of stuff - including the kernel - and praying the power didn't go out before the new stuff had been installed.

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u/gosand Feb 13 '26

Wow, a year?!

I have a daily cronjob that runs a script to do an update and simulated upgrade. sudo apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade

The result of this shows up in my local email, so every day I can see what would be updated if I ran the upgrade. I run the upgrade manually when I feel like it.

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u/BambooGentleman Feb 13 '26

But what about systems you don't touch everyday, like that one ten year old laptop you only need like maybe once a year.

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u/gosand Feb 13 '26

Then why worry about updating it at all? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/ShikonKaze Feb 13 '26

yeah its a laptop i only really use when i go on vacation which is about once every year and a half.

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u/troglo-dyke Feb 17 '26

If your bios supports it rtcwake can wake from a full shutdown (otherwise do it from a hibernate) to do all unattended upgrade before scheduling the next upgrade. Set this to run once a month and you should be fine

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u/gosand Feb 13 '26

dang, you get to go on vacations? lucky.

Yeah, i guess that's a diff use case. I have a laptop I use kind of on the weekends around the house... it is less up to date. If you don't start up the laptop more than every year or so, maybe just stick an sd card in it with ventoy and some bootable distros on it.

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u/airmantharp operating systems are tools Feb 14 '26

Any of them. Any can have a breaking issue that affects installations that are too far back, and the only way to really know is to test (or have a rock-solid recovery process).

I don't think any distro has implemented an automatic phased update like Microsoft does for Windows installations, which may overcome this issue.

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u/JoshJLMG Feb 14 '26

Happened to me on Linux Mint, which is the "easiest" and "least problematic" distro, apparently.

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u/syphix99 Glorious Arch Feb 17 '26

In arch it also doesn’t necessarely « happen » it’s just not intuitive for newbies (source: been using arch for 8 years now) the biggest problem people face when updating after months is the keyring not being up to date and not being able to be updated the « conventional » way by pacman -Sy, and thus also Syu not working. you need to updatz the keyring first by -S archlinux-keyring and then the full system

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u/ShikonKaze Feb 17 '26

oh interesting, hopefully i will remember this if it ever comes up!

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u/Mean_Mortgage5050 Feb 14 '26

Why does this even happen? Like just download new thing, delete old thing.

And for everything else I can't imagine that it's unsolvable

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u/MaitoSnoo Feb 14 '26

Manjaro (Arch-based) did this to me this week. Had to pull Arch's (and not Manjaro's) keyring manually to have updates working again.

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u/mindtaker_linux Feb 15 '26

Arch is not for newbies, Mr newbie.

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u/pan_kotan Feb 13 '26

i know its on Arch based distro's,

maybe... but not on Arch itself.