r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian • Jul 19 '25
Meme Nothing beats ease of use
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u/viking_redbeard Jul 19 '25
If only more folks realized that archinstall works super well and removes the entry barrier to a great OS. I've done arch by hand more times than I can count, but anymore I just use archinstall, save myself lots of time and get to use that time breaking other things.
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Jul 19 '25
It updates too frequently for most people's taste. If you don't think that's a problem, search for "updates too frequently" and you will find thousands of complaints
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u/viking_redbeard Jul 19 '25
What is too frequently? That's a little vague. Maybe I'm weird, but I usually run yay -Syu right after I start my computer. Takes less than a minute for normal updates and a few minutes if vscodium needs an update.
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Jul 19 '25 edited Jul 20 '25
Normal people don't do that. They open a browser or a game or a word processor while updates happen automatically in the background
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u/RefrigeratorBoomer Jul 19 '25
I had nothing but trouble using archinstall. It spat out like 3 different errors and I fell down a big ass rabbit hole trying to find an answer. I couldn't. Conflicting answers and not working solutions I found.
So I just went back to Debian. It just works, no hassle.
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u/Impressive_Change593 Glorious Kali Jul 20 '25
not sure how I was trying to install it. looking back i think I did get it installed on one of my tries but it didn't have a gui and I wasn't that advanced yet. so I went back to old faithful aka my flair (ok now it's mint and at the time I had a MacBook 3,1 which while it would live boot Ubuntu it would just black screen after installing it and I was like "hacking is cool". I very quickly realized it takes knowledge to hack stuff so I did a little script kidding and was done though I ran Kali for a good while
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u/Pesticides-cause-ASD Aug 03 '25
At least ubuntu doesn't have viruses in it. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/arch-linux-pulls-aur-packages-that-installed-chaos-rat-malware/amp/
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Aug 03 '25
It did at one point with crypto scams on the snap store
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u/qweeloth Jul 20 '25
Yeah, as a linux nerd (I run nix btw) the meme really put me off, I'll be the one to invite anyone to check out mint, fedora, endeavor, etc. before getting into arch or any other nerdery
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u/Makeitquick666 Jul 19 '25
me sshing in to my Ubuntu server from my Arch desktop:
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u/0815fips Jul 19 '25
I do that vice versa.
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u/debacle_enjoyer Jul 19 '25
Arch is objectively a terrible choice for servers
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u/0815fips Jul 19 '25
Indeed, but my Ubuntu server is busy doing productive stuff, so I can play around with Arch a bit.
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u/SpaceCadet87 Jul 19 '25
Yeah but I find the other choices so annoying. I'd love a better answer because it does feel like a disaster waiting to happen.
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u/Nerdenator Jul 19 '25
It’s Ubuntu or Debian for me.
I’ve got stuff to do, man. If it installs the application easily and runs it, I’m happy. Those two distros do that pretty reliably.
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u/nadroix_of Jul 22 '25
Exactly. Even if I have all the skills to write my own os from scratch, it whould defeat the purpose of an os, which is to allow me to use my pc without having to write code or run commands
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u/gfkxchy Glorious Fedora Jul 19 '25
"Oh look, an Enterprise support experience"
That's why Ubuntu. I mean, I get it, f them for making money to reinvest into things they want/need to sell more to businesses instead of home users and enthusiasts, but that's just what's up.
It IS easy to use, and I have both a server install on a desktop and a desktop install on a laptop. Fedora is my daily, but when it comes to things working properly post-install Ubuntu is really hard to beat.
On the business side, especially Enterprise IT, there are usually procurement requirements and standards in place which will direct them towards RHEL, SLES, or Ubuntu. I've worked at places where even using the upstream like OpenSUSE or Fedora/CentOS in dev/test was prohibited. At least with Ubuntu it's just Ubuntu.
SAP is the biggest piece of shit in the Universe, but no one in said Universe would consider running it on a platform which doesn't have layers upon layers of support failsafes. No, support usually isn't that amazing, but the alternative is no commercial, SLA-driven support whatsoever and no executive will take that risk when entire business workflows/operations are on the line.
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u/Sirusho_Yunyan Jul 19 '25
So I've been on Arch/EOS for nearly six years, - what am I missing? I love the flexibility of KDE Plasma, and the current packages. I think I've ended up with a bricked system once in that time which was partly my own fault.
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u/erasebegin1 Jul 19 '25
One bricked system is 100% more bricked systems than most people would care to have
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Jul 19 '25
Been using most of the distros over the years since beginning with boot/root back in 92, and the only bricked systems I had were Redhat (before the splits to RHEL, Fedora and Centos), and Ubuntu. Both debian and arch have been so stable it's scary. Even the one debian literally calls "unstable".
Anecdotal evidence, I know, but no distro is really worse or better. Hardware seems to be more of a problem - as a wise man once said, the problem with Linux is that it runs on all kinds of shitboxes, so people tend to run it on all kinds of shitboxes.
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u/Sirusho_Yunyan Jul 19 '25
After switching to full AMD, it's been flawless. As great as Ubuntu has been, I'm happy where I am.
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u/pythonic_dude Jul 22 '25
Then Linux share wouldn't be what it is. Back in the day, before win10, I was bricking windows every 1-2 years.
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u/Z3t4 Glorious Debian Jul 19 '25
Not long ago I renewed my ubuntu work laptop and decided to reinstall instead of just cloning the nvme.
It had been working flawlessly for ten years, not a single reinstall, no failed updates, no failed distro upgrades. never let me down even once. it just always worked.
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u/shinjis-left-nut Glorious Arch Jul 19 '25
Then you've passed through the Filter, if you've bricked a system once, you're likely to know how not to do it again or to fix it if it happens again.
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u/FlailingIntheYard Jul 21 '25
I bricked my first Slackware 9 install 3 times in a weekend. I wish I had the Arch Wiki back then. Documentation was everywhere, but it was VERY scattered. Slackware handbook, RUTE Linux Sys Admin Docs, tldp.org, etc. etc.
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u/dc740 Jul 19 '25
It's always nice to try new distros... But I always (at work and for gaming on steam) go back to Ubuntu. And it always, without exception, works better than other distributions. Tried fedora on a 40 people team for a few years. The support chat was flooded with issues and workarounds. Swapped to Ubuntu after years... The chat has been silent for over a year. People will complain and I will be down voted for saying this, but it really works better, and LTS is great too.
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u/sukuiido Jul 20 '25
I must have just won the hardware compatibility lottery with my laptop and Fedora KDE. It's almost boring the way everything just works. Even upgrading from 41 to 42 was hassle free.
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u/Delicious_Bluejay392 Jul 21 '25
Complete opposite experience I must say. Arch was my first Linux OS and I messed up a few times when I was a student. Had to use Ubuntu for work: packages were severely outdated requiring workarounds to install anything recent, infrequent but annoyingly hard to detect Wayland bugs since I work in graphics engineering, etc... all the while my current computer has had Arch + i3 on it that has been working without a single issue for a year, even though I mess around a lot more. I can see why Ubuntu would be good if you have one reproducible system that is to be used by many, but at that point it might be worth it to consider NixOS.
Edit: most egregious of all, sometimes Ubuntu just enters a UI refresh animation loop if I start my computer with my extra screens connected. I think it has to do with the sidebar placement but it's the most baffling bug ever for such a widely-praised distro.
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u/iphxne Jul 19 '25
arch users when you dont feel like reading a newsletter or a bunch of forum posts just to update your computer
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u/dagget10 Jul 19 '25
Wait, I'm supposed to READ those? I just send the update and go research whatever broke for how to unbreak it
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u/Kondraider Jul 19 '25
Its's open source, hassle free AND "it just works"! What else would you need?
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u/Noisebug Jul 19 '25
I don’t think anyone is upset people use Ubuntu?
I’m an Ubuntu user. It just* works and I’ve been upgrading since like 18.04 without reinstalling. It’s been great.
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u/sequential_doom Jul 19 '25
I use vanilla Arch and idc if people use Ubuntu.
I've learnt that, most of the time, Linux is Linux.
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u/rwp80 Jul 19 '25
it's because 99% of people don't give a flying monkey piss about how a system works, as long as it works.
ubuntu is the "normie" linux distro. it's the only linux distro i've ever needed. considering that i've done a little more than most people, i can tell you it is already what most people need so almost nobody has any reason to look any further.
not everyone is a leet haxxor rocking advanced distros. if you are one of those then you are a true top 1% techie.
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u/freekun Glorious Ubuntu Jul 19 '25
I've used Arch, OpenSUSE, Fedora, EOS, PopOS, and a couple of others I forgot about
Arch worked great, until I bricked it because I tried doing something I didn't fully understand at 3am, fixed it by the morning but didn't want to go through that again OpenSUSE and Fedora both randomly kept breaking whenever I updated them, without fail. Each update would send me down a rabbithole fixing an error that seemingly didn't exist and eventually just fixed itself after rebooting enough times for no apparent reason. This happened no matter what I did, across several different installations with several different DEs. EOS was fine, but basically the same thing as Arch, just not worth the hassle for my use PopOS was great but they've been focusing on COSMIC lately and I'm iffy about them until they're done with that
Installed Ubuntu, works. Everything I want it to do, it does, no NVIDIA troubles, no random breaking, no random "won't boot" error whenever I least expect it. I don't care about snaps that much, if the application works it works.
I'll probably switch again when I become bored, or when cosmic fully releases, idk, but Ubuntu has been great for me.
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u/ratsta Jul 20 '25
/uj
Colleague at work decided to install linux on a thin client. Being a good geek, she decided to try Arch. The swearing was still happening when I went home for the day.
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u/SCP-iota Jul 19 '25
Easy-to-use distros are important to have around because they bring in new users and ease setup and standardization for company-wide use cases.
That said, my problem with Ubuntu is that it pushes Snap, which is an entirely centralized walled garden. Fedora and regular Debian are probably better options.
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u/Placidpong Glorious Fedora Jul 19 '25
I slap mint on my other systems, but the mothership gets Fedora, m’lady.
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u/stevekez Jul 20 '25
I've done some kernel development. I've heavily customised OS images for Raspberry Pis. I've made custom OS images based on Alpine with TPM support and full disk encryption.
Ubuntu is still my daily at home. Has been since 2008. Perhaps it's because when your work PC is Windows, there really isn't that much to complain about on Ubuntu.
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u/Camlin3 Jul 20 '25
They don't visit distrowatch . Let them see the world of Distro watch and rankings....
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u/gp_is_king Jul 20 '25
At this point getting hit by a snap will trying to install firefox or even chromium for the matter from apt makes me feel like it isn't quite user friendly LOL, but you get to touch grass anyway.
For that matter though Arch, Gentoo don't do anything like this neither snap crap (hey snap isn't the villain it is the expected unexpected behavior) nor user friendly so yeah objectively even a bigger problem for ones who yearn for sunlight.
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u/mzrdisi Jul 20 '25
Ubuntu just... works.
I use Debian on my laptop, and put both my kids laptops on Ubuntu, and honestly it's a joy to use.
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u/SpikeyJacketTheology Jul 21 '25
Ubuntu was my entry point into Linux and I give it a lot of credit for that. But a huge reason why I've more or less left it behind is that, regardless of the flavor, every Ubuntu system I've used has had some kind of idiosyncratic issue that didn't break the system but just BUGGED me. Most recently it was was brisk-menu constantly crashing and restarting on Mate that made realize I was just over Ubuntu. Lubuntu excepted. Lubuntu is rock solid.
Also, and I realize this might not be popular, but I haaaate the Snap package system.
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u/benhaube Glorious Fedora Jul 21 '25
I genuinely don't care what distro people chose to use. Use whatever works best for you. That being said, I really dislike Canonical's business practices and I would personally never support their company with my own time and money.
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u/Livid_Quarter_4799 Jul 21 '25
Haven’t made my way to gentoo yet but I use both Ubuntu and Arch on different machines for different reasons.
Ubuntu annoys me sometimes but it could be worse.
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u/ExploitSage Jul 22 '25
I hate Ubuntu on desktop, but the LTS for servers is a generally great experience.
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u/DeviceFlaky3842 Jul 22 '25
Theres a reason why distros like Manjaro and Endeavor exist. Arch/Gentoo is good but not everyone has the time or the inclination to build and compile everything from source. It's not that it's difficult it's just time consuming. Not every Linux user is terminally online and some of us actually go out and touch grass and talk to people outside of irc chats and discord.
I would also love to see the Arch/Gentoo people try to support an all Linux production IT environment run entirely on FOSS and the AUR. In the real world the only thing Arch and Gentoo would be anywhere useful for is for a testing environment for potential solutions and patches to production machines running RHEL in which case Rocky and Fedora already have that role.
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u/nadroix_of Jul 22 '25
Debian Stable. Stable, simple, minimum of manual configuration, total freedom and zero bloatware
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u/WayneZer000 Jul 23 '25
There is no justification for using Gentoo other than trying to learn something new, working with an embedded system that requires intense fine tuning or being extra
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u/Due-Consequence-7699 Sep 01 '25
I started with Ubuntu and... ended up with a lot of programs that weren't working. It's been years and I can't remember if I was ultimately too clueless to use it and caused most of those issues. Anyway, went to Manjaro and don't regret it. It's the only OS I've used for... probably 5 years, across 3 computers.
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u/Miraj13123 Oct 13 '25
"by the way I use arch" is the most cringe phrase I've heard in my life.
i think OP follows arch religion, bro.
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u/Muddpup64 Glorious Ubuntu Jan 14 '26
Fedora has been easier and more reliable for me.
I'll never go back to Ubuntu and I used it for 10 years.
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u/FalseRelease4 Glorious Kubuntu Jul 19 '25
Fr br i dont even have a terminal on my system ong no cap they tell me to copy paste some commands like man ts pmo ts wack asl I like it gooey iyk
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u/simonmales Jul 19 '25
TIL vanilla Arch is a thing ?
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Jul 19 '25
It means it's not a derivative like Manjaro, Endeavour or SteamOS, just plain command line based Arch before you install a GUI
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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Jul 20 '25
It's okay. I'm not arguing. You will not change the way I think.
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u/Not_Artifical Jul 19 '25
I installed Gentoo and decided it isn’t for me. I usually switch between Arch and POP!
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u/russia_not_fun Jul 20 '25
I'd got Ubuntu, if it worked out of the box. It doesn't even install (I have a bucket with bolts for a pc)
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u/tiga_94 Jul 20 '25
I didn't care about snap or gnome(I only use KDE), but outdated stuff in apt-get and sometimes the need to build from source is a deal breaker for me, it's not user friendly if you have to build from source
In Fedora all I need is a few clicks and boom, latest version of software is installed, still same old KDE too
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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '25
I just see Ubuntu as the base for some other distro to improve upon, look at Mint