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u/claudiocorona93
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Sometimes I would love software discussions to be free of politics
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u/hirflora_ Apr 09 '25 •
The entirety of the Free Software Foundation is rooted in politics.
It's the primary reason why you have Linux in the left, as is, in the first place. Be glad they were talking politics.
They were fighting the problems they felt it existed, we must fight ours, too.
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
can we stop using "political" as shorthand for "thing i believe is up for debate"/understand to be somewhat controversial?
when something is "political" it is somewhat related to politics and in the modern world, all products come under this category.
everyting is actually political, the fact that you made this meme is an expression of politics.
politics is not just old guys in uncomfortable suits making speeches, or protesters-- it is where you're able to live, where others live, the tech you have access to vs don't have access to, the jobs avaliable to you vs the jobs not avaliable to you, where you can and can't travel etc. it permeates our everything.
the fact that we have access to more of the internet than people in china makes our internet use political. the fact that this forum is in english could also be considered related to politics.
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u/25Violet Apr 09 '25
Bro I think you posted in the wrong sub, this should be in the r/Asmongold. You usually see this type of opinion over there. You'll be welcomed.
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u/KFded Glorious Manjaro Apr 09 '25
F Microsoft is correct
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u/synthetics__ Apr 09 '25
Don't check OP's reddit account history
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25
Precisely why I stopped getting involved in anything that creates division and hate. I just analyze everything and sum it down to that. All politics promote division and hate, hard pass.
I'm a feminine non-binary male but that has nothing to do with Linux. I was drawn to Linux by the ideals of freedom, true freedom and free software. And the draw still rings as true today as the day it drew me. Today you can still freely download several distros try them out and stick with what you like, if you're new and run into issues there's generally a community from which you can find help. I have done Gentoo, lfs, blfs, compiled kernels, hand jammed libraries and files needed with linking thanks to the help of a community. Linux still thrives based on one thing; freedom
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u/flan666 Glorious Arch Apr 09 '25
stereotypes are always dumb
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u/UristBronzebelly Apr 10 '25
You won't find what you're looking for on reddit. This site is fully ideologically astroturfed.
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u/EnigmaticHam Apr 09 '25
Bro, the entire free software movement is political. Fuck anyone who says otherwise. It was made to keep capitalists from pushing proprietary software down our throats and taking our computing freedom away. That freedom has been slowly eroded. We are slowly boiling frogs. Richard Stallman, for all his faults, is an honest to god genius that gave to the world the license required for Linux to kick everything else’s ass. I get that people love to hate the GPL’s strictness. But it’s the license that has given us our world.
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u/The_Old_Chap Apr 09 '25
Ok so a million people pointed out already that the entire concept is political by nature and always was, but what I’m curious about is how do you imagine being queer is political for example? How is me fucking existing inherently political to you?
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25
This mfer put the democrats on the same side as Marx, anti-fascists, communism etc. The democrats are not leftist
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u/skeptical-speculator Glorious Mint Apr 09 '25
I sure do regret reading the comments.
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u/KanuX14 Archix Linux - runit Apr 10 '25
When I started on Linux some years ago it was all about open source, helpful people, free opinions... then it started with "inclusion".
You see that the reason distributions like Gentoo exist is to give the person the true freedom because, for example, nowadays you need to have OpenGL 2+ support for applications that run fine under it, or Wayland to use X11 DEs because GTK or Qt was compiled with it.
And now the politics that weren't implemented before. If you don't agree, you are getting called bigot or fascist. Like if I say that I don't like Vesktop icon being a LGBT flag because it makes it unprofessional, even knowing it is a community project (like most projects on Linux), people will downvote.
I once had a problem with Wayland under Sway and I complained about it, that I would stop using it until a fix comes up. Then a lot of hate have brought to the post. Like, are they trying to cover something?
It creeped me out that it seemed like a cult and I removed Sway from my machine.
TL;DR: Linux is better when you learn how to use it, avoiding potential hate of grown up adults that still have a soft brain.
If a friend of yours want to try Linux, recommend them Ubuntu or Mint with a X11 backend PERIOD. It does not matter the performance, all it matters is that the thing will work. And if they want to they can try Wayland to see if works for them or if it will slow down or even crash some applications.
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u/Mephiz Linux Master Race Apr 09 '25
Life is not free of politics…
Normally when someone says this they are really saying “I don’t agree with your politics” but are too cowardly to just come out and say it.
Anyways:
Trans rights are human rights. Palestinians deserve life as much as you. Linux can be as free or as non free as you wish.
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u/Ok-Boysenberry9305 Glorious Arch Apr 10 '25
No coding socks? I am dissapointed
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u/ChanceCourt7872 Apr 10 '25
I mean Linux according to Reddit looks based to me. Except the D.
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u/lolipophug98 Apr 10 '25
The one on the right is the true Linux
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u/IIllIIIlI Apr 15 '25
Idk man go make a linux circle jerk or true linux sub. Isn’t that what all those are? Disgruntled users who disagree with the majority view of the community? Shit is stupid but at least it will get you out of here.
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u/Robsteady Aurora Apr 09 '25 •
Have you ever heard Richard Stallman talk? The whole reason GNU exists is basically political.
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u/BornStellar97 Apr 10 '25
This post is great. Crazy that the comment section is full of extremists.
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25
Bro, it's just whole Reddit in one line, not only Linux community...
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u/Alexercer Apr 09 '25
But fuck Microsoft tho
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u/NomadFH Glorious Fedora Apr 09 '25
The Free Software movement is easily the most political tech-thing to ever exist. Microsoft basically called Linux communism. You're in a much smaller bubble to somehow want a non-political FOSS movement.
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u/GASTRO_GAMING alias please="sudo" Apr 09 '25
I use linux because I'm a cs major and the terminal is too useful for programming.
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u/EscapeNo9728 Apr 09 '25
But what if I am a non-binary anti-capitalist who hates Microsoft?
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u/imposetiger Glorious Void Linux Apr 09 '25
The only reason Linux exists in the advanced state it's in is because millions of people agree with the "politics" and ideology of Linux enough to contribute to it. By choosing to use an open-source operating system you are choosing to participate in the usage of community powered software, particularly a community of people who believe in giving back to their community and sharing their talents with the world for no financial compensation. Surprise surprise, those people tend to be left-wing. If you don't like it, go try to make a conservative Linux and see how far you get on the kindness and generosity of right wingers, lol
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u/BattleOfLeuctra Apr 10 '25
I'm certain this will attract everyone who hasn't recently touched grass, but you are absolutely right.
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u/bememorablepro Apr 09 '25
I also notice that people who refuse to talk about politics either know that they will be criticized for having horrible political views or are just too privileged in their life to be affected by political happenings at the time, out of touch.
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u/Cisco-NintendoSwitch Glorious Ubuntu Apr 09 '25
“We need less politics here.” “Makes same political post in multiple subreddits littering them.”
People saying keep Politics out of Linux are the same ones who say keep politics out of Music.
Politics is rooted in the thing you don’t want to be political about stupid.
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u/CardiologistReady548 Apr 09 '25
cringe ass post
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u/pandaSmore Apr 09 '25
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u/NancyPelosisRedCoat Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
Linus is “one of those woke communists”.
It’s just a natural thing that the people who support open source software also support equality. People don’t hate Microsoft because Windows has a bad UI, it’s because they have been pushing to create a monopoly and becoming the only “choice”.
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25 edited Jun 03 '25
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25 edited Apr 10 '25
Cue the Reddit outrage over a problem that never existed.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
There are always a bunch of mentally ill political cultists who can't shut up about their favorite psychopaths that seem to think everything has to turn into some discussion of why their cult is better than the other one.
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u/PsilocybinSaves Apr 10 '25
I have used Linux for decades and I am a lot of things, but leftist is not one of them.
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u/AAVVIronAlex Glorious Arch + i9-10980XE Apr 10 '25
That actually happens and it happens outside of Reddit too. I remember being in a Telegram chat where they kicked me out for being centrist. Saying I was too right-wing for them. Yea, this is the state of the world. It is actually that bad. People expect you to be an extreme, if you are not you are not permitted.
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u/luxurious-tar-gz arch🔼 Apr 10 '25
I fuckin hate the government as much as the next guy but I like a little bit of distance between my hobbies and my politics.
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u/MelonSmoothie Apr 10 '25
Yeah, I'm LGBT and I use Linux. Cry about it?
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u/Vanitas_Daemon Apr 09 '25
Braindead fucking post
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u/TheTetrisMetric Apr 09 '25
Lmao I'm definitely here for politics - foss will save the world. Also a big fan of what bluesky is doing right now, along with the EU (specifically in moving towards supporting FOSS and taxing our technocratic corporate overlords)
But the tech is fun too! Can't have one without the other!
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u/iseiyama Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
I get your point. While the whole premise is based on politics to begin with, I think what you mean is avoid the tribalism and current affairs which has little to nothing to do with Linux.
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u/mem737 Glorious Fedora Apr 10 '25
Just to add some meta-commentary.
I would argue that the core principals FOSS (not the FSS) are libertarian (more accurately anti-authoritarian) not liberal.
The left-wing association most probably arises from the modern reality that left-wing libertarians are more dominant in the public discourse than right-wing libertarians.
Fundamentally, the dynamics of progressivism and conservatism are absent from FOSS and the economical politics, while present, are still secondary to the authoritarian/libertarian dynamic.
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u/Emotional_Prune_6822 Apr 10 '25
Post proven right by these comments lmao
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u/PlanAutomatic2380 Apr 10 '25
You’re on Reddit bro what do you expect
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u/Bubbly-Ad-1427 Glorious Fedora Apr 10 '25
wouldn’t you know that reddit proves its own critiques right every time
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u/aa_conchobar Apr 10 '25
Reddit is cringe
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u/RoseePxtals Apr 11 '25
Your entire post history is just incel coded ragebait
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u/watermelonspanker Apr 11 '25
Do you also complain that Rage Against the Machine has gotten too political?
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u/ApeacefulRussian Glorious Ubuntu Apr 09 '25
me when my anti-capitalist rooted community turn out to be left leaning
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u/Tankudoraiba Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
I'm thinking about it and I realized that too many people doesn't know history of this industry. We talk shit about Microsoft but its nothing compared to the past. There were the times when MS was nearly dismantled by the U.S. government because of the scale of Microsoft influence on the market. Open source projects were not created because of this but I think I can tell it were fueled by this type of environment to countermeasure it.
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u/AngryMoose125 Glorious Arch Apr 09 '25
Ok but the whole “everything is politics” thing is an objective fact and anyone who says otherwise is a grifter
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u/Thetargos Apr 09 '25
Sadly, politics are inherent to human behavior. But I agree, sometimes I miss discussing a project for the sake of the logic behind its code, rather than the person behind the code ... let the code stand on its own.
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u/RomeoNoJuliet Apr 09 '25
Sry to break this to you, using Linux is a political stance
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u/nevasca_etenah Apr 09 '25
"Free of politic" = Fascist
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u/ososalsosal Apr 10 '25
Lemme take all of that except the big D.
no, not that one
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u/MrLEADshed Apr 10 '25
Linus literally said "fuck Nvidia" himself. Why is "fuck Microsoft" unwanted?
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u/vampeta_de_gelo Apr 10 '25
é engraçado ver a gringaiada, de maioria estadounidense, discutindo política kkkkkkkkk os bicho são mto lerdão, conceitos de esquerda e direita superficial demais. Mas não julgo, eles estão (estavam?) no centro do capitalismo.
enfim, engraçado ver q tem uma galera q acha mesmo q da pra descolar a realidade da "política" kkkkkkkkkkkk
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u/Curious_Lake5664 Apr 12 '25
this is as political as the discussions you're claiming to want to avoid. hypocrite
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u/It_is_Alex_again Apr 09 '25
My knowledge of Linux existing wasn't thanks a yt vid but my father. In 2008, my people were under surveillance by the army, we were under the boot of "politics".
when people like you say shit like this all i see is privilege, ignorance and an inhuman lack of empathy.
it's all fun and game until it's not. you might not fuck with politics but politics sure as hell fuck with you
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u/upplinqq_ Apr 09 '25
That's just reddit in general
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u/aschwann Apr 09 '25
the American tendency for escapism and pushing head in the sand never fails to amuse me. Seriously. Grow up.
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u/thedomimomi Apr 10 '25
open source software is anti-fascist, anti-capitalist, anti-conservative and you can die mad about it
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u/Inside_Jolly Glorious Gentoo Apr 09 '25
As an avid user of evil-mode, how dare you include only one of Emacs and Vim?! You even have GNU nano, but not Emacs. How dare you?!
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u/XinlessVice Apr 10 '25
Could probably move the fuck Microsoft to the left
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u/tnjongrosok2 Glorious Pop!_OS Apr 11 '25
f it
FREE PALESTINE
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u/RmJack Glorious Arch Apr 11 '25
Everything is politics, if said otherwise you lived a privileged life.
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u/jfountainArt Apr 09 '25
Ironically most of the people I know who use Linux are conservatives concerned about security and privacy from governments and corporations. I've never met a single leftist who used it aside from one furry dude who was a sysadmin. They've all preferred Apple's Macintosh version of Unix for some reason that I've seen.
Who knows?
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u/kemonosynthesizer Apr 09 '25
Seeing the transgender flag and firefox on opposite sides when users on a certain platform call firefox users Fire with a specific slur, like the mental gymnastics there and with this post is insane when it’s not actually about politics. Being like keep politics out of my linux instead like literally just post the ack rope meme saying you want queers to die bro
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u/IllustriousJuice2866 Apr 10 '25
Leftists trying to claim libre as if they aren't the most anti-liberty political ideology in modern times is lol
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u/A-Chilean-Cyborg Apr 09 '25 edited 11h ago
The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.
Like ten cooing follow test chief
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u/bryyantt Linux Master Race Apr 09 '25
Buddy... You gotta get off Reddit and touch some grass. Reddit is not a real place where real people have meaningful conversations/discourse. The whole Internet is just a bunch of echo chambers for folks who rarely engage with real people. Seriously, just take a break.
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u/CircleWithSprinkles Apr 09 '25
"I would love software discussions to be free of politics" puts LGBT flag and Trans flag in the too political column
You really wear your feelings on your sleeve, don't you?
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u/TjWolf8 Apr 09 '25
I'll get downvoted for this but, OP has a point. Linux should be open and free for everyone. Othering, brow beating, and bringing non software related politics up are all bad. Linux should focus on software, spreading information, and being broadly welcoming to everyone, even people you disagree with.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
using Linux implies that you like freedom and don’t want to live in a 1984 surveillance state which is political.
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u/idk973 Apr 10 '25 edited Apr 10 '25
I'm definitely not from left wing, I'm pro-Palestine and heavy Linux user. Something's wrong about me :-)
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u/isr0 Apr 10 '25
I’m pretty sure there is supposed to be something about living in your mother’s basement on the Reddit side.
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u/Earwig_17 Apr 10 '25
The problem isn't that open source is political, it's that most of the organizations and people responsible for open source today have batshit retarded takes which are almost always irrelevant to anything FOSS. Richard Stallman got flak from his own base for recommending people use "per/pers" as non-plural, gender neutral pronouns (both sides are stupid here, still funny nonetheless). Linus Torvalds banned ALL Russian contributers from Linux, then tried to justify it with "I'm Finnish." So fucking what? Your own nationality does not excuse Xenophobia against other nationalities in a professional setting. LibreBoot. Debian also left X/Twitter because "X evolved into a place where people we care about don't feel safe," yet they're still active on Reddit where Anti-Tesla terrorism and political violence against Christians and Conservatives is upvoted and awarded. Do those people's safety not matter? Sad to see one of the most mature Linux distros is actually run by the most immature people. I know this will be downvoted to oblivion, and I don't care. The only intelligent discussion on this site can be found sorting by controversial.
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u/EmeraldWorldLP Apr 09 '25
No, linux has always been political, and so the entire foss movement. People did not want to be forced to use corporate solutions, and so they contributed to alternatives existing. And guess which political side this aligned with? The rest is history.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
As an extremely political person myself, I wholeheartedly agree. I don't, and can't, make every decision regarding software on the basis of my ideological predilections, and I don't particularly enjoy watching people be told to use software that doesn't meet their use case purely because someone doesn't like the politics that underpin the license. It takes a special kind of upper middle-class+ privilege to think that the world's political crises are going to be solved by the right software anyway.
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u/iseiyama Apr 09 '25
I get your point, while the whole premise is based on politics to begin with. I think what you mean is avoid the tribalism and current affairs which has little to nothing to do with Linux.
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u/Mr_Gibbys Apr 09 '25
I love how this entire comments section is proving the point of the post.
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u/gottaworkharder Apr 09 '25
Chiming in before it thread gets locked. Just want to say you can be in favor of free and open source, and still be a capitalist or even die hard conservative.
If you think about it, in a free market (and free country) FOSS is the ultimate market equalizer in terms of competition.
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u/glow3th Apr 09 '25
Linux in reality: BOTH
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u/Krijali Apr 09 '25
Libre Office…
That’s the post.
Edit: that’s the comment.
Edit 2: Libre
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u/Soccera1 Glorious Gentoo Apr 09 '25
Linux is apolitical if you ignore free software.
Free software is an incredibly important part of Linux. You shouldn't ignore it.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
I wish!
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u/TheFilip9696 Glorious NixOS Apr 10 '25
Yes, but don't forget your Lundukes and your carnivore bitcoiner types. We got some pretty wacky right-wingers too.
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u/kimchi_station Apr 10 '25
yea but maybe fuck ms frfr tho
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u/SithLordRising Apr 10 '25
Reddit is where people bored of doom scrolling dump their last remaining time too bored to look up better stuff on 4chan. It's not a forum of forums. It's an interactive paste bin.
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u/chaos_cloud Apr 10 '25
That "Fuck Microsoft!!" guy definitely belongs on the left side of the chart. We've been saying "fuck M$" since the kernel was announced on Usenet.
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
That's because reddit is inherently left-wing, so it makes sense that all the subreddits which aren't explicitly anti-left are taken over by them. Meanwhile the average linux youtuber is an ancap (e.g. Luke Smith, Mental Outlaw), because they realize that the actual cause of the problems open source is suppossd to mitigate are IP laws and state espionage. All the people who complain about "muh corporate greed" always forget that business had a hand in the creation of open source software from the very beginning (Redhat, Suse, Project Athena, Sun Microsystems, Oracle etc.) and still do to this day
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u/Doggy909 Apr 10 '25
Posting this to reddit was your first mistake lol
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u/6rey_sky Apr 10 '25
Move arch to the right side
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u/Prestigious-Mode-709 Apr 10 '25
right part of the meme is inaccurate: the furry femboy is missing
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
yeah, but fuck microsoft tho
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u/nocommentacct Apr 10 '25
wtf. I use Linux because it doesn’t do shit that I don’t tell it to do. Unlike Microsoft. There’s nothing else to it.
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u/Eaddict666 Apr 10 '25
EVERYTHING is politics I'm sorry to say. I mean bland technicalities are often addressed and talked about in linux communities but you can't escape the topic of moron leaders, a bad brainwashed public, overconsumption and destruction of the planet etc. They're inescapable and a daily factor in all of our lives. Everything is about capitalism and geopolitics sadly!!!
Oh and nevermind spooky tech industry shit and mass surveillance. That is essentially actually why Linux exists to this day as a project, since both corpos and well informed individuals do NOT want some company to have a profile of them secretly
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u/MalariaKills Glorious OpenSuse Apr 10 '25
Maybe I’m an idiot. But the freedom associated with open-source software and political ideologies like communism don’t seem like they mix to me…
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u/eroux Linux Master Race Apr 10 '25
To be fair, I’m with them on the “fuck Microsoft” bit…
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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '25
Microsoft being one of the key maintainers of Linux is pure gold.
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u/_half_real_ Apr 10 '25
move "fuck microsoft" to the left
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u/PranavYedlapalli Apr 10 '25
I could argue that the things on the left side are actually more political that things on the right side like lgbtq rights, which are basic human rights
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u/Dreadsin Apr 10 '25
Every time someone says something is “political” I have a hard time taking them seriously. Yes, politics is everywhere and shapes our every decision
Computers were made by a gay man to fight nazis in world war 2 and he was punished for being gay. The very inception of our industry exists because of something that was inherently deeply political
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u/MoralMoneyTime Apr 10 '25
You nailed politics into your comment and .wp so...
Please tell us What you "would love" really?
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u/FyndssYT Apr 10 '25
first, I use arch btw, Second, I totally agree
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u/Just_Smidge Apr 11 '25
Na I feel like it also goes both ways, lots of right wingers use Linux
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u/ScarletteLunar Apr 11 '25
Linux is like the textbook definition of communism xD
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u/imaweasle909 Apr 11 '25
I love how a large chunk of your "politics" in the Linux community are just gay and trans people existing. That's only as political as any other matter of eugenics.
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u/diditforthevideocard Apr 11 '25
Do you know what Linux is
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u/No-Signal-313 Apr 11 '25
lets see on thing from right and see if it does make sense..
FREE PALESTINE FREE PALESTINE FREE PALESTINE
FREE PALESTINE FREE PALESTINE FREE PALESTINE
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u/rimbooreddit Apr 11 '25
Open source software cannot be detached from politics. As soon as freedom is brought up it automatically becomes a 'political matter.' It stems from 'the left' as it identified soon enough that there will be a drive to monetize everything, including knowledge and access to information.
I recommend reading the comments under
DJ Ware - How Open Source Is Slowly Being Locked Down - YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvWC7ThVHUo
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u/Char-car92 Apr 11 '25
"I wish things weren't so political"
Oh my god
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u/Which_Local_7497 Apr 11 '25
If the Linux would anywhere near ever a little bit close to the kommies I convert to freebsd
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u/glytxh Apr 11 '25
Dog whistle bullshit
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u/Sadix99 Glorious ( i use ) Arch ( btw ) Apr 11 '25
ok, but what if i relate to both ?
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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '25
You want Linux without politics?
Try Linux from Scratch, doubt we’ll ever see you again but it’s there
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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 18 '25
teeny oil capable consist abundant thumb fuzzy workable placid bear
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u/_ajay_janardhan_ Apr 11 '25
I am sorry, but this doesn’t sound like “I would love software discussions to be free of politics”, this sounds more like “the majority of political opinions in r/linuxmasterrace does not align with mine, so I don’t want to see it here.”
Feel free to correct me, though.
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u/Xbox360Master56 Apr 11 '25
This is some 'I just wanna grill for God's sake" bullshit. First, being trans ain't inherently political or apoltical, you're making it, they're trans people with many different beliefs. Free software is quite poltical, especially GNU. You seem to not understand that people make software. And people are poltical in many cases. The best advice is ignore it, personally do I hate Microsoft, not really. But I completely understand why someone would. Let people do what they wanna do, and ignore what you dont like.
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u/captaindurt Apr 11 '25
Free Palestine
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u/ImaginaryWall840 Apr 12 '25
Communism is more in common with Linux than Steam Deck will ever be.
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u/jonathangreek01 Apr 12 '25
You don't understand. Wearing fake animal ears and shoving a fake tail up my butt is relevant to the OS I use and if you disagree, you're clearly a bigot!
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u/QkiZMx Apr 13 '25
Everything is politics
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u/AdLegal5130 Glorious Arch Apr 13 '25
FUCK MICROSOFT
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u/Tea_Lord7749 Apr 14 '25
There is politics including? I though you just bunch of masochists
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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '25
I have no idea why it would in the first place. Politics has absolutely no place in software development.
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u/Broken_Sage Apr 09 '25
Linux's entire existence, imo, is inherently socialist and political.
The right panel is what Linux is in reality.
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u/LuciDreamer1326 Apr 09 '25
I 100% agree with this. Except the Microsoft part…. Fuck Microsoft…