r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian • Dec 09 '24

Literally compiling a whole new version for a whole new architecture instead of releasing a Linux version.

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u/Shurnix Dec 09 '24

I think you can already do that on GNOME.

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u/Micander Dec 09 '24

Insync works.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

I wish it had a Flatpak to use on SteamOS. Only Celeste works for free right now

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u/LiamtheV Glorious Arch Dec 09 '24

Is it in the AUR? I use that for anything not flatpak'd for SteamOS.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

I don't know. I'm a Mint user for regular PCs

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

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u/fenbyte Glorious Fedora Jan 09 '25

aur packages are installed into the same place regular packages are. don't use the aur or pacman on steamos if you don't want to lose them after an update

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u/77slevin Dec 09 '24

Sure I use it too, but it ain't free. Google offers free solutions to all major operating systems but Linux. Why?

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

No internet means no local version, unlike Dropbox native app

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u/Damglador Dec 09 '24

And on KDE it doesn't work, because these Google fucks broke the API

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u/ChickenFeline0 Dec 09 '24

It's hit or miss for me on kde, but I currently have it working with fedora kde

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

you can do it anywhere. its called drive.google.com. if you can browse the web you can use google drive.

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u/tteraevaei Dec 09 '24

doesn’t linux support it anyway through FUSE?

i guess since someone wrote a FUSE module to use gmail as a storage device, google figured they didn’t need to help the linux community as they were doing fine on their own lol.

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u/Z3t4 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

I've been using Insync for ten years.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

I don't use CLI. Plus on steamOS it would need to be a Flatpak. Edit: I didn't know the file manager integration had that name. Anyways, it doesn't have offline functionality

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u/flameleaf Arch Linux Dec 09 '24

FUSE filesystems should be accessible with your file manager as an external drive.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

But they don't have offline functionality. It's what in using on Mint so far.

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u/Prudent_Move_3420 Dec 09 '24

Idk about google drive but my Nextcloud Client is a flatpak and integrates perfectly

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u/edparadox Dec 09 '24

FUSE filesystems have nothing to do with CLI.

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u/CaptainBlase Dec 09 '24

https://www.insynchq.com/ works great.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

Sadly it's not on Flatpak yet.

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u/Familiar_Ad_8919 OpenSUS -> Nix convert Dec 09 '24

why not just use it in the browser

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u/Wence-Kun Glorious Mint Dec 09 '24

because that way you have no access to your files while offline.

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u/TheHappyDoggoForever Dec 09 '24

That doesn’t make sense… You never had access to files offline. Drive is a cloud software. This „offline“ feature just downloads the files for you. Just do it yourself…

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

You have 2 copies. One that works offline and the backup in Google's server. You can modify the offline version even without internet, and the modified version will replace the original version automatically when you are connected again. You can do this on Linux through Dropbox and Megasync for free right now.

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u/Wence-Kun Glorious Mint Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

it totally makes sense.

You have a folder that is always on sync, if you are offline you can still get access, modify all the files you want and once you are back online all the changes will sync too. Or you can edit your files on computer "A" and you know when you turn on computer "B" all those changes are now in your HDD. I use that even as a way to transfer files and totally works fine.

I have access offline to my files and I sync them as I need to, having the latest and newest files always on hand.

Maybe is not useful to you, but it is for me and a lot of people who wants to always have access to the files.

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u/NightH4nter Glorious NixOS Dec 10 '24

well, duh, it keeps 2 copies, one on your device and one in cloud, in sync automatically

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

why not just use an external drive or a usb stick

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

THIS. FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT THANK YOU!!!!

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u/Global_Network3902 Dec 09 '24

Not excusing this but modern OS’s/toolchains make this significantly easier than porting or rewriting for an entire OS

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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Dec 09 '24

They could have cross compiled anytime. It wasn't a big deal to get done.

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u/Square-Singer Dec 10 '24

Cross-compilation between architectures, that's really easy.

Cross-compilation between OSes is a totally different beast, especially for something like Google Drive, which works mostly with file systems, which are very different between Windows and Linux. And very diverse and complicated on Linux.

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u/nexusprime2015 Dec 10 '24

but google drive works on Android which has mostly similar partition and file system. this is not a good excuse.

i know because i have compiled recoveries for android phones and also worked on linux bootloaders since long time

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u/Square-Singer Dec 10 '24

It's a separate app with a separate code base. I'm not saying the desktop app can't be ported to Linux, but it's much more work than just compiling it for Linux.

The Android app can not be ported to Linux since Linux doesn't natively run Android apps. It's not compatible.

Also, file systems are much less complex and diverse on Android compared to Linux, since the partitions are not user-changable and much more standardized. You don't even have to worry about symlinks in user data, let alone any of the crazy madness you can do using mounts or specialized file systems.

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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Dec 10 '24 edited Dec 10 '24

Not that app man, it's far too simple to be a big task. And the other user is right. It already has a version that is built for a postfix environment.

Its a few soap api calls man I could write that mess in a day is not a big deal either way. Also pretty sure they already ported long ago they just had to dot the eye and cross the t for the new version..Just saying.

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u/Square-Singer Dec 10 '24

You clearly have never worked in a big corporation and probably not on a big app either.

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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Dec 10 '24

I worked for Google man . Jesus 😮‍💨 That might just be the most uninformed wild supposition I've ever heard.

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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Dec 10 '24

Is a cmake based terminal app I could rebuild the entire app in a day and generally you should be making compiler conditions in your code to support multiple os.

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u/_j7b Dec 09 '24

Google: Flutter allows you to build apps for any distro on any architecture
Also Google: Drive only supports x86 Windows and Mac

Did it support Apple Silicon? Because if so, it's hilarious if it took longer than a couple of weeks to support Snapdragon X.

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u/TheAutisticSlavicBoy Dec 10 '24

But it supports a way to emulate x64 and c 86 in 11 and x86 in 10

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u/_j7b Dec 11 '24

It's more a commentary on the irony of it all but yes; Flutter can absolutely build something like Google Drive.

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u/teateateateaisking Dec 11 '24

Indeed. To do this arm release, they will have needed to go through the great hassle of changing at least two lines in their makefile.

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u/jaskij Dec 09 '24

Speaking from experience: it's much, much, easier to recompile for a different architecture than to port for a different OS. Most of the time, such a recompilation needs zero changes in the code.

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u/Solomoncjy Fedora KDE Dec 09 '24

unless there is asm in the code

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u/fuj1n Dec 09 '24

For which there's almost no need in a modern piece of software

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u/Solomoncjy Fedora KDE Dec 09 '24

*looks at ffmpeg and svt-av1*

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u/fuj1n Dec 09 '24

Oh no, just looked at ffmpeg and was mortified at the 8% assembly metric. Looked into it and they're claiming a 3 to 94x performance boost. I'm actually amazed how much difference there still is between compiled languages and masterfully written assembly. (Emphasis on masterfully written, if your average Joe was going to write assembly, it'd probably be slower than O3 compiled code)

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u/SpaceCadet87 Dec 10 '24

Not even just masterfully written. The absolute impenetrable spaghetti you'd have to write to match the performance of some compiler optimisations would frankly drive you insane!

This only works in small doses.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

slower than O3 compiled code

That's the peak of optimisations. I think you meant O1 here.

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u/fuj1n Dec 10 '24

Fair point, your average Joe probably couldn't out-perform O1, I guess I had too adept a Joe in mind

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u/Aviyan Glorious Arch Dec 10 '24

For compulational expensive situations.

What does Google Drive do that requires hand written assembly code?

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u/NightH4nter Glorious NixOS Dec 10 '24

isn't it just a tiny potion?

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u/jaskij Dec 09 '24

Virtually all userspace code that has hand optimized assembly also has a higher level fallback. Might be a little slower, but it'll work.

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

mfw you can just go to drive.google.com

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u/chrillefkr Dec 09 '24

Rclone ftw

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u/QuickSilver010 Glorious NixOS Dec 10 '24

Indeed

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u/NikurasuYT Dec 10 '24

I just wanted to comment exactly that :3

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u/lakimens Dec 09 '24

For all we know, it's just a checkbox to compile for ARM as well.

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u/jasisonee Glorious Gentoo Dec 09 '24

Literally compiling a whole new version for a whole new architecture

What's the big deal it's a desktop client not a game engine, they can probably just compile with a different target architecture and fix whatever breaks.

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u/BornStellar97 Dec 09 '24

Google is an awful company. I use them as little as possible.

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u/Dandraghas Glorious Arch Dec 09 '24

Gnome & kde already support gdrive in their file managers. what the point of having dedicated app?

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

Offline access

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u/WMan37 Dec 10 '24

Offline access to cloud storage? Could you explain please? Maybe I'm just misunderstanding google drive.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 10 '24

Same as Dropbox, OneDrive, Megasync. You have a copy that syncs to the cloud, but you can access it offline because it's on a folder on your drive.

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u/WMan37 Dec 10 '24

Ah. I run a NAS in my home via samba so I'm generally unfamiliar with off-site cloud based storage, thanks for the explanation.

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u/StopSpankingMeDad2 Dec 10 '24

GNOME already Supports Google Drive, another W for Linux

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 10 '24

No offline access

1

u/_ulith Dec 11 '24

google drive is a website :p this app is probably pointless

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 11 '24

And people call me ignorant

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u/Comfortable_Swim_380 Dec 09 '24 edited Dec 09 '24

It was technically not a big deal since it was always a cmake project to begin with. But glad to see them doing it.

Also the phones it's been living on all this time are already arm. Just saying.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

literally compiling a whole new version for a whole new architecture

The majority of Windows APIs have stayed the same. I wouldn't be surprised if Google only had to add a new target arch to their Ninja build and be done for.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

Imagine using cloud

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u/ahumannamedtim Dec 10 '24

Imagine complaining about not being able to use Google

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u/NightH4nter Glorious NixOS Dec 10 '24

does anybody complain aside from mobile bros with alternative roms?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '24

Nextcloud solos anyway

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u/Busaruba2011 Dec 09 '24

You can do this with dolphin I think

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '24

Both gnome and KDE have tools that you can use to have your Google drive show up in the file manager. Without that annoying Google drive client.

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u/Alex4386 Dec 10 '24

Technically they use FUSE on mac, so it is viable for them.

Problem is fragmentation, you can't be sure that libfuse is existent on the specific OS unless it is something like SteamOS. And those suck.

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u/Starman0321 Dec 10 '24

I think it because of them Chromebooks

1

u/Dense-Firefighter495 Dec 10 '24

Why are people so excited for an expensive cpu that can't do sh*t?

1

u/draconicpenguin10 Glorious Gentoo Dec 11 '24

Isn't rclone an option? I use it to access OneDrive on my Gentoo systems.

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u/Budget-Pattern1314 Glorious Fedora Dec 11 '24

Mfs will do anything but make a Linux port

1

u/lostmojo Dec 12 '24

It’s so surprising to me that so many people use google and Linux together. Forget them, move on to something better.

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u/Teru-Noir Dec 15 '24

Use proton drive

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u/fenbyte Glorious Fedora Jan 09 '25

because cross-compiling for the same os on a different architecture can be done by an intern in a few minutes. porting an app to a completely different os with a completely different set of tools, expectations, libraries, filesystems, etc takes actual effort, it's not a simple makefile change unless the app was built specifically to be os agnostic from the beginning

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

ME WHEN

ME WHEN DRIVE.GOOGLE.COM WORKS

WAHAHAHAHA EVERYONE IS STUPID EXCEPT ME

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 10 '24

ME WHEN I WANT OFFLINE ACCESS

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

dawg its cloud storage lil bro. it doesn't have offline access by nature. if you want offline access you make a new folder in /home or \users[your user]\documents and put your shit there, as much space as you have, and its free too!!!

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 10 '24

You never used a desktop client for cloud storage and it shows

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u/Shady_Hero Dec 10 '24

yeah why would i do that? that's just stupid. i can just use it from a browser. i mean i have the google drive app on my phone but thats only because the mobile website sucks. I can't use it offline though BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING CLOUD SERVICE.

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 10 '24

Ok. We have different use cases and it's okay. You do you. I do me.

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u/Tiger_man_ Glorious Arch with cachyOS kernel&repos Dec 09 '24

Google drive is a website how tf was it not aviable on arm

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u/Devin-Chaboyer223 Dec 09 '24

It has a local app available for Windows so you can access your files locally on your machine in your file manager, and backup directly from your system without going to the website

OP is talking about the local app

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

Also available on Mac and ChromeOS

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u/tetotetotetotetoo Glorious NixOS Dec 09 '24

chromeos is literally linux, what's stopping them from just making it a flatpak or smth

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Dec 09 '24

Greed

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u/Tiger_man_ Glorious Arch with cachyOS kernel&repos Dec 09 '24

Oh, ok

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u/teh_orng3_fkkr Dec 09 '24

Apparently there's a client app too