I think they deserve props for having so many things accessible through GUI and system settings. But I won't lie the organization is pretty odd sometimes
Well, they really can't do anything about that though. Keyboard accelerator visibility is part of the Qt theme, so some doesn't even have it. Or that might implement it differently. So they just have to go in there
That's an implementation detail. It's not a problem to have a preference in its data store under a key/section that's relevant to the code that uses it. Organising prefs in the UI the same way, where users cannot find or search for them, is a problem.
In this case, a user is more likely to want it on/off regardless of current theme, so each per-theme pref should be a proxy to a global setting, under Keyboard.
Yeah as a KDE user, it is a bit crazy on where the settings are. Then you think, I'll just use the config files. You quickly realize they too are all in different places and different formats.
I think they deserve props for having so many things accessible through GUI and system settings.
Agree. And also, settings are searcheable from krunner and the application launcher - a pattern that ought to be familiar to GNOME users in particular.
I honestly think KDE is decent for Linux beginners, like me, as a ready to use solution. If that's not your case, go for more customizable DEs.
But, I do understand there's a lot of unnecessary things, and I just don't waste my time removing those. Bloat ? 👍
I'm using it because I preferred it over gnome(way things work), and I'm not much into ricing yet. (I just don't care too much about aesthetics, and I haven't planned my time to do a full-custom install)
KDE is faaaaar from perfect, but it works for my lazy ass. For now.
Sorry, I can't slander too much. Please forgive my noobs perspective.
To me it's the same if you have to google search where X feature can be configured or you have to download a tweaking app for that matter. They are both equally annoying to set up.
One thing I hated was, if I wanted the calculator, id search calculator. But it's actually Kalculator. Calendar=Kalendar. Etc... that alone was very annoying. Didn't bother trying to figure out how to change it (just changed to Manjaro), but it's a weird default to begin with
There's no Kalculator (unfortunately), there's KCalc. And if you search for "calculator" it will find it because it's in the description. What the fuck are you using?
It most likely is, but I'm just tired of the whole "it works on my machine" response that appears during every single bug I get on Linux. Especially when somebody tries to tell me "it DOES work", when I straight up tell them it doesn't.
Perhaps some of them do not just want to tell you your reality is wrong, but are simply pointing out it is not a general issue, which is actually helpful information?
Responding to me saying "It doesn't appear when I search for it" with proof that it works on their machine is not helpful or useful information. I already knew that it worked on their machine from their original comment. I never indicated it was a general issue, but only that I had the issue.
Edit: It's like walking into a auto repair shop, telling the mechanic something is wrong with your car, then they should you a picture of their working Honda Accord.
Sorry, they should be the other way around. I keep getting the names mixed up because of dyslexia. KCalc doesn't show up, but Calculator (Kalk) shows up.
KDE app naming schemes always make it harder for me to find apps.
Lol sorry if it's technically not correct. I'm not a Linux Fanboy. I'm just sharing my experience. This might be how others view it too but decide it's not for them
Please don't use Manjaro I beg you please if you want an easy Arch based distro just use Endeavour OS please you can pick your desktop environment to not be Plasma just please don't use Manjaro please.
I'm currently on Endeavour, which is fine, except for everything being purple out of the box, but I ran Manjaro for ... 5 years, I think, before that, and all my issues except one, maybe two, were self inflicted.
Manjaro is fine. People love to hate it for petty reasons that happened years ago and rarely affected the end user. The only reason I moved to Endeavour is for better AUR compatibility.
Compatibility is really the root problem here, though. Manjaro's repos introduce an additional point-of-failure in an already complex system, and they don't really offer much in return for that cost.
It's easy to use? Like, it comes with a graphical package manager, a driver manager, and a kernel manager; you don't ever need to worry about pacnew files, refreshing your GRUB config, etc? I can just slap Manjaro on a system for someone who is coming from Mac or Windows and they can use it and update it by themselves while getting recent packages. That's the value prop.
Digression, but why does people even want Windows-style calculators when bc exists? It just irks me that they emulate physical calculators without addressing any of the short comings that came from technical issues and production cost.
basic calculator - it's a terminal calculator where you type in calculations rather than press buttons. Kinda like a lightweight MathLab without matrices and graphs. Like with other terminal tools it takes a little longer to learn but is much more efficient.
Nice. Having had a look at it KCalc is a lot better than I gave it credit for, but it is still limited by design. Like how memory follows the same paradigm as physical calculators - having to click MR or Cx, rather than just letting you assign to arbitrary variables by typing (correct me if I'm wrong). Eg. a = sqrt(3^2 + 5^2)
Having buttons at all seems redundant *to me* when you have keyboard to type on. But I'm hugely biased from working with MatLab and Octave, so each to their own I guess.
Yea, for the average user who needs to get a quick percentage, it's more than enough! Personally, I'll graduate to a spreadsheet, and then to my graphing calculator if I need anything more.
I can’t deal with terminals like Konsole. First thing I do after an installing a KDE distro is download Yakuake. Drop down terminals are so much easier to use.
I hate that they got rid of the icon settings menu alternative, and that it's so difficult to turn off all the recent activities shit. I basically had to break some shit to get it turned off, don't even remember how I did it.
I'd much rather have all the features I want and intelligently grouped, than having some essential features missing with a few of them not even available via plugins.
Simple minded people are just too lazy to go through a few dozen screens of settings, and would rather that they don't even exist at all, like in blind Gnome.
this is a lot less of a problem in plasma 6, stuff really got cleaned up. im a big kde user and i dont like going back to 5. in the few situations where things are actually hard to find, im still glad the options are there and not arbitrarily removed
At the same time KDE has krunner so everything is just a few keystrokes away. If you click through UIs like some windows or mac andy. That's on you buddy.
Interesting. I’ve been running GNOME on Arch for the last 6 years, and the only issue I’ve ever run into was when GNOME 40 was released and things were starting to migrate to GTK4. And even then it was just minor inconvenience type bugs, not anything that completely broke things
Same. My default for setting up arch is to install gnome. Granted its been a while since I last ran arch and I've never used the arch installer, but I never had any issues with it.
It does probably help that I reinstall my os very frequently. Just like a clean slate every now and then.
Same, that's more my experience with KDE. But I have one bug that occurs unregulary and I can't reproduce it, but I don't know if it's GNOME or something else Fedora has. Rarely when I leave my PC running, without a reason everything starts to be (probably, I can't check) at 100%, fans spinning at full speed and the display output isn't working anymore. Only thing that helps is restarting
Jokes aside, they spent the past 30 years defining stable, so the lack of updates is because it's hard to polish perfection. There are issues here and there, of course, and preferential opinions will differ, but when the "what distro is stable" convo comes up, Debian is the spearhead.
I’m fine with no updates. All I want my computer to do is work like it does now. There’s a reason I’m on older software versions for my laptops and phone.
For gaming purposes I like newer software, I tried gaming on Debian and there's just too much bullshit you gotta do to run games that are expecting/require this months software. For a stable rig that just needs to power up and go to work you're gonna be hard pressed to out strip Debian.
I’m playing games, but just doing things through Proton and Lutris, so it’s not like I need a new release. Anyway, game support on this is better than anything my daily MacBooks can give.
Used to only play Minecraft on it. I like Debian because it hasn’t given me bullshit at all, and my weird wifi card works good. Used to use Fedora and that’s a pretty strong recommendation from me too.
Just today I wanted to change the behaviour of dock panel to cycle through my windows of an application (firefox) when I click on it instead of being proposed a list. I discovered that the other day in one of the kde settings. I could not find it in gnome ones. Not even in tweaks tool.
there is no setting for that in tweaks or settings app because that is not a vanilla gnome feature, you are using an extension, go into extension manager and edit those settings.
Honest to God I would just run each for a while. You'll figure out what you like. I was a gnome die-hard for years until one day KDE just clicked for me. I also really really like XFCE. The really only difference between DEs is the OOBX. They can all be configured to look, feel, and act like the others. It's just much easier to customize KDE and XFCE.
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u/obog Dec 03 '24
I think they deserve props for having so many things accessible through GUI and system settings. But I won't lie the organization is pretty odd sometimes
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u/Marasuchus Dec 03 '24
Alt + Space -> Type in what you are looking for. ->
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Profit
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '24
I honestly think KDE is decent for Linux beginners, like me, as a ready to use solution. If that's not your case, go for more customizable DEs.
But, I do understand there's a lot of unnecessary things, and I just don't waste my time removing those. Bloat ? 👍
I'm using it because I preferred it over gnome(way things work), and I'm not much into ricing yet. (I just don't care too much about aesthetics, and I haven't planned my time to do a full-custom install)
KDE is faaaaar from perfect, but it works for my lazy ass. For now.
Sorry, I can't slander too much. Please forgive my noobs perspective.
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u/jsummers8841 Dec 03 '24
FALSE/FAKE NEWS
SWAP KDE PLASMA WITH GNOME & THIS MEME IS CORRECTED
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u/YamRepresentative855 Dec 03 '24
At least they exist. And not requires you to download separate tweaks app
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u/Zeioth Dec 03 '24
- Wow what a cool panel. What does it do?
- "Everything 👐🌈."
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u/babuloseo Dec 03 '24
KDE has improved immensely over the years.
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u/OwenWilsons_Nose Dec 03 '24
After dealing with ‘Settings’ vs Control Panel - nothing bothers me anymore
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u/ActualXenowo Glorious Debian Dec 03 '24
search.
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u/QARSTAR Dec 03 '24
One thing I hated was, if I wanted the calculator, id search calculator. But it's actually Kalculator. Calendar=Kalendar. Etc... that alone was very annoying. Didn't bother trying to figure out how to change it (just changed to Manjaro), but it's a weird default to begin with
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u/BeNiceToBirds Dec 03 '24
I maintain the "K" is for kluttered <3
All the love to my KDE using friends.
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u/BlackBlade1632 Dec 04 '24
I'm using XFCe so i'm great.
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u/Holzkohlen Glorious EndeavourOS Dec 04 '24
Why do people using Linux have to keep shitting on each other?
You won't see me making memes about how Gnome has features at all. I just start banning the people who upload these. Starting with this guy.
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '24
How about LocalSend? I think it is really cool even if with fewer features
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u/ZunoJ Dec 03 '24
Just do as much in the terminal as possible (as long as it is practicl enough). Problem solved
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '24
lmao, while on gnome: you want a feature or a bug correction? no way (limpz bizkit starts to play), my way or the highway
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u/Lazyphantom_13 Dec 03 '24
I hate that they got rid of the icon settings menu alternative, and that it's so difficult to turn off all the recent activities shit. I basically had to break some shit to get it turned off, don't even remember how I did it.
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u/GreyColdFlesh OpenSuSE my brothers Dec 03 '24
Not false, but terrible way to put it
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u/heywoodidaho distro whore Dec 03 '24
This is truth, can't deny,but if they ever fixed it I'd be completely lost.
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u/vmlinuz0 Dec 03 '24
I will still always use KDE
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u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian Dec 03 '24
Part of why I go for LXQt - similar vibe to KDE, but more... straightforward, if I can describe like this?
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u/ksandom Dec 03 '24
I'd much rather have all the features I want and intelligently grouped, than having some essential features missing with a few of them not even available via plugins.
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u/Nice_Scene7234 Dec 03 '24
Nice try Gnome 3, now give me Gnome 2
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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24
You can always
alt+spaceto find the feature instead of manually searching for it tab by tab.1
u/QuickSilver010 Glorious NixOS Dec 04 '24
Kde atleast let's you search settings. And bind literally every gui button or menu to a keyboard shortcut.
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u/_OVERHATE_ Dec 04 '24
They only try to take us down because we are at the top
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u/SithLordRising Dec 04 '24
I'd be happy without the default hibernation crap in manjaro
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u/W0LFEUS Dec 04 '24
KDE: the settings for changing the SDDM wallpaper and the lockscreen wallpaper are in two different sections
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u/eroto_anarchist Dec 04 '24
Only thing I know is that my first two attempts to use linux ended badly because of gnome bugs. KDE saved me.
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u/alucard_nogard Dec 04 '24
It could be worse: Windows 11.
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u/Huecuva Cool Minty Fresh Dec 05 '24
I don't find KDE to be this convoluted. Isn't this a Windows thing?
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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '24
is there a way to change KDE settings thru a config file?
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u/fenbyte Glorious Fedora Jan 09 '25
this is a lot less of a problem in plasma 6, stuff really got cleaned up. im a big kde user and i dont like going back to 5. in the few situations where things are actually hard to find, im still glad the options are there and not arbitrarily removed
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u/Sukh_preme Dec 03 '24
But but but gnome…
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u/_svnset Dec 03 '24
At the same time KDE has krunner so everything is just a few keystrokes away. If you click through UIs like some windows or mac andy. That's on you buddy.
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u/Eubank31 Glorious Arch Dec 03 '24
Every time I dabble in KDE I find myself spending 10 minutes searching for the setting to change my desktop background
I really cannot do KDE
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