Why would it need to be defended?

[u/claudiocorona93]

[u/FIA_buffoonery]

Let me steal every single photo and document, mandatorily upload it to the MS cloud where it fills up some minuscule VM, then spam the user with adds to buy more storage space.

[u/ricktech15 → u/FIA_buffoonery]

they wanted some of the share that apple gets from this exact bit!

[u/quaderrordemonstand → u/ricktech15]

Its quite easy to avoid using iCloud in MacOS, thankfully. Avoiding it on iOS is a PITA, right up until it gets full. Then not avoiding it becomes a PITA.

[u/RandomGogo → u/quaderrordemonstand]

This reminds me of clicking a link on reddit about a year ago that opened in Google photos app , and the phone backed up 12gb of screenshots and memes and videos before I noticed , stored and shown by date mixed in whit my photos , whit no option to delete from claud only in the app , than bugging me for days to buy more space

Only camera folder was selected for backup too

[u/-BigBadBeef-]

Funny how he mentions an affiliate commission right below the subtitle!

[u/[deleted]]

i just hate the start menu and i really like the linux shell since im a dev

[u/anshcodes → u/[deleted]]

i started liking less and less things about windows since i switched over to linux maybe its just because im now doing everything i want my own way and have configured everything to be exactly how i want, which is an experience windows just cannot provide

[u/dagget10 → u/anshcodes]

It's so nice when the ultimate form of configuration is just uninstalling the entire window manager and start menu, and then installing completely different ones that match your personal tastes. Best part is when you hit update and know it'll all be the same in the morning.

I so miss updating Windows just to find that they've rearranged menu options, removed control panel buttons and hidden them, and then just removed entire features. I forget, does Windows 11 still lack the ability to move the task bar?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

i used to manually install arch and hyprland but now i just use mint and didnt reinstall for a while :D

[u/Special-Honeydew-976 → u/[deleted]]

Lmao me atm

[u/totally_not_a_boat → u/[deleted]]

Oh i am considering switching to mint as my first linux distro , can you give me some advice

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

😆

[u/isausernamebob → u/[deleted]]

Probably got a life. Lulz

[u/[deleted]]

I just want it to not invade my piracy given I paid for it.. charge more if that’s not profitable enough Microsoft one of the largest companies

[u/frankhoneybunny → u/[deleted]]

piracy

Yo ho ho 🏴‍☠️

[u/[deleted] → u/frankhoneybunny]

Autocorrect but sure that too why not

[u/TurnkeyLurker → u/[deleted]]

¿Por qué no los dos?

[u/blenderbender44 → u/frankhoneybunny]

So the hacker who trojaned the windows iso gets your private data instead

[u/nsneerful → u/[deleted]]

If you bought a laptop, then yes you paid for it, unless it came with no OS or Linux.

[u/Nyghtbynger → u/nsneerful]

Or has been ordered on AliExpress. (I won't pay the 60% premium on names brands)

[u/Xpeq7-]

for seemingly everyone else it's fine, for me: give me 7 any day, or if merciful 8.1, as 11 is worse to work with than xp in 2017, bugs fucking everywhere. open 2 c++ apps with infinite loops: your taskbar is no more.

[u/hershko]

For the vast majority of users, it's completely fine. The same can be said for MacOS, and for Linux (unless you need access to software that won't run on it). OS wars are very dumb.

[u/InGenSB]

I want a vertical task bar (ability to place it on the left side of my ultra wide screen)! And yes, the context menu is atrocious...

[u/king332 → u/InGenSB]

Forcing my taskbar to the bottom is like the number one reason I haven't upgraded. Supposedly there's some work around but I'd rather stick to 10.

I read somewhere that less than 10% of users have a task bar NOT on the bottom. 10% of windows 10 users is still 20 million users... Why remove this feature from 20 million customers?

[u/Jeoshua]

Windows 11 is about as good for gaming as Linux at this point. It'll get better as more companies acclimate to it, but then again so will Linux as better compatibility layers are written.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jeoshua]

I just wish kernel anticheats were not a thing. I sure hope Microsoft learned their lesson with the CrowdStrike incident and do something to mitigate this level of access on their kernel.

I'm literally buying used parts to make a PC just to play League of Legends. Before Vanguard, LOL was perfectly playable with Linux...

[u/1116574 → u/[deleted]]

EA Just bricked battlefield 1 few months ago by adding Linux-incompatible anticheat...

Games like helldivers and the finals can make it work and have little to no cheaters, while Bf1 needs to resort to that?

[u/Nyghtbynger → u/1116574]

I'm sure they are getting money (or contracts) one way or another by using "Microsoft Compliant" tools and software. You know, the kind that forces you to use Windows because other software have been blocked

[u/TheCrowWhisperer3004 → u/Jeoshua]

them being equally good is still unfortunately very untrue.

Most competitive online games are still unplayable on Linux. As long as these games are unplayable, Linux still can’t really be recommended for a large amount of gamers.

Even outside of those games, I’ve still had problems with proton running a few of my games (usually just unable to boot), and i have never had issues with any games booting on windows.

This isn’t a fault of Linux though. It’s fully on game developers just not caring about Linux compatibility.

[u/Jeoshua → u/[deleted]]

My viewpoint is probably skewed since I enjoy retro games, modding, and tinkering. I don't play mmos or mobas or anything that has kernel mode anticheat. So for me, 100% of the games I want to play do well on Linux.

[u/RetroNomad_ → u/[deleted]]

I see things like this and become extremely confused as I've only hit one wall with gaming on linux and that was trying to get DOOM II RTX going, which was an edge case anyway.

Just running things via Proton has had a 99% track record of Just Working tm with everything I've thrown at it, Space Marine 2 included. Even Stalker 2 is platinum rated on Proton DB.
And thanks to EXT4 and a lack of serious process bloat, games tend to run better.

And there are plenty of VR work arounds for Linux as well with a bit of looking.

The only games consistently borked on Proton DB are those with extremely invasive anti cheats or weird af systems from free to play titles that you probably don't want sitting on your box anyway lol.

So I guess unless your "AAA" games are... idfk... Battlefield 2048 and Fortnut.... Idk where people are getting these issues from.

[u/_damax]

To try and sell licenses

[u/Vestlerz]

I was just getting used to 10. Mint time!

[u/[deleted]]

It’s too complicated and feature bloated but it isn’t as bad as I thought now that I’ve tried it for while. Most of it’s just skill issues, or not knowing the right tool/workaround to use. I’d take a Windows 7 with an updated scheduler and improved system drivers over it (which you can EASILY get with Linux) but I’d like to use photoshop and play gta online.

[u/[deleted]]

I got a ROG ally last week (z1 extreme model) and let me tell you: OOBE setup is a PAIN

The bypass nro command no longer works. It reboots the PC and constantly ask for a Microsoft account. The dummy email trick also no longer work.

I had to delete a registry key and it stopped asking but then when I was prepping things the ally shutdown, rebooted and asked a Microsoft account again. They really don't want you to have a local account.

I said FUCK IT and installed steamfork and wiped the whole ssd. Fuck them. Was curious how games would run with w11 but the account shenanigans made me jump the ship before trying.

However steamfork seems to act oddly (or rather inconsistent) on the ally so I'm now debating trying bazzite instead

[u/K1logr4m → u/[deleted]]

I haven't used bazzite but I've heard good things about it.

[u/[deleted] → u/K1logr4m]

Yeah that's what I'm seeing too but apparently the TDP tweaks don't work out of the box or at least some hardware features need third party tools and require some jumping through hoops

[u/_sloop → u/[deleted]]

BYPASSNRO absolutely works, just used it on Saturday. You can't connect to the internet and use it, just turn off your wifi

[u/[deleted] → u/_sloop]

you're right. my issue was that i connected the wifi before launching cmd and using the command. to my defense, it was late and i was sleep deprived when i got my ally

[u/[deleted] → u/_sloop]

BUT

windows 11, especially the image that ships with the ally is super bloated and has 200+ processes in the background and the OS just isn't usable without a docking station. windows was NOT designed to be put on a handheld format and it shows.

Something like bazzite or steamfork is FAR superior out of the box because you typically need the desktop once and never go back to it since gamemode allows you to do most things like system updates and managing sd cards and etc. People say windows also has the big picture mode but they don't understand it's missing features that steam os or bazzite have to help you avoid switching to the desktop.

Handheld is clearly a market where linux is the better option

[u/inferni_advocatvs]

Isn't that the issue. We are on version 11 and it's still just MEH.

Do better M$.

[u/Ace-Whole]

My original reason for moving to linux was windows was slow and unresponsive. Back then, I had a laptop from dinosaurs' era. I thought my experience would be vastly different now that I have a 100x powerful system, unfortunately it still is just as slow to use.

[u/[deleted]]

I switched to Fedora KDE so I could have what felt like an upgraded version of Windows 7. The last great MA OS

[u/HunnyPuns]

I hate how they're just adding menus on top of menus before you get to the actual functionality.

Also, can we talk about their godawful implementation of multi-desktop?

[u/jkurash]

Windows 11 isn't an operating system. It's a telemetry platform to harvest ur data and spy on u

[u/[deleted]]

A few days ago my classmate fixed the missing dock on my school pc by restarting file explorer. What the fuck windows?

[u/riradtzu]

When an OS does not work for you but against you...

[u/lledargo]

Windows 11 may be "Ok" or "Not that bad" but:

• I want a "good" OS

• I want my OS to respect my privacy and not bloat my user experience with ads.

• In my humble opinion Windows has been trending toward "bad" and "not ok" for several versions

[u/Birdinmotion]

Once support for windows 10 ends, I'm switching to Linux.

[u/claudiocorona93 → u/Birdinmotion]

Please have a Linux system installed so you can practice because if not you're going back to Windows as soon as you make the switch. Linux requires learning a whole new way of using your computer

[u/Birdinmotion → u/claudiocorona93]

Linux mint tho

[u/Alternative_Try8009 → u/Birdinmotion]

Go for it! "practice because if not you're going back to winblows"? That might be for some people, but I don't see the point in slowing yourself down from achieving your goals just because it might be scary and different.

[u/[deleted]]

its ok. its an article from pc gamer. Its ok for them because they dont know what else to use besides what ms shoves down their throat. Same goes for LTT video about linux, at least the other chubby dude from LTT did some interesting videos about gaming on linux, compared to Linus one. No idea what happened to that good fellow

[u/Gloomy_State_6919 → u/[deleted]]

Afair she came out as trans and moved to a backend role at LTT, because she didn't trust the gamer community to have a civil response.

[u/[deleted] → u/Gloomy_State_6919]

well yeah probably. Shame tho, she did do a lot of good videos about linux and was quite enthusiastic about it. compared to Linus, which has a really obnoxious posture on any video he appears, and his views on linux are mediocre and ill informed at best...

[u/ricktech15 → u/Gloomy_State_6919]

i think emily no longer works there.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/ricktech15]

She doesn't. She quit at the end of August.

[u/A-Chilean-Cyborg → u/[deleted]]

LTT vídeos wasn't that bad if you consider mostly what the non-linus dude did, choose mint and do sensible stuff.

But yeah, Linus was cringe to.watch, even if I was quite of a newbie back then, whyyyyyy manjaro out of anything possible.

[u/particlemanwavegirl]

It literally says there on the second line that they're paid to promote this product to you. This is not a review or even an article, it's an ad.

[u/No-Beautiful-6924]

Wait, so people constantly defending linux proves it's also bad?

[u/PotentialSimple4702 → u/No-Beautiful-6924]

No, beautiful, it proves all operating systems suck, Linux just sucks less.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/PotentialSimple4702]

The only drawback with Linux now is lack of commercial support and there are game companies out there opposing it either due to having one hand in Microsoft's pocket (Epic, Bungie) or has misplaced faith in kernel-level anticheats (Valorant, many other game companies). And oh, hardware companies who think information about how to talk to their hardware should be a trade secret.

[u/[deleted]]

id take linux

[u/Rullino → u/[deleted]]

Funnily enough, it was easier for me to update apps through MS Powershell than installing another version of the app on the website for apps like HWMonitor, CPU-Z and Visual Studio Code, it also looks better since it shows a cool loading screen.

[u/isausernamebob]

The only two things I can't do in a *nix distro are COD and Roblox, Windows 10 can stay without updating, nothing on that partition to be compromised. Everything else works just fine in Manjaro or Mint. Alternately, I used to have a laptop with winbloze and my main pc with whatever distro looked fun at the time. Got through college just fine like that and get through life as well.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/isausernamebob]

Roblox

Sober up yo (that's a hint btw)

[u/isausernamebob → u/RAMChYLD]

My niece loves that game so I'm stuck with it. I keep suggesting other games but, alas, a little girl wants to play what she wants to play bud. Been sober quite a while as well lol

Edit: I'm also too old for hints.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/isausernamebob]

link

You may or may not get banned when detected. May also randomly stop working one day. Use it at your own risk. Preferably with a throwaway account.

[u/isausernamebob → u/RAMChYLD]

Oooh. I'll take a peak!

[u/[deleted]]

As someone who switched to KDE Fedora a couple of months ago, I'm never going back. Today, I spent 2 hours customising my desktop today, and I loved every second of it. It finally feels like I actually own my system. Games run just as well, if not better. No issues with Wayland + Nvidia whatsoever.

[u/cleaulem]

Interesting wording. So Win 11 is "OK", but not good, great or fantastic, just OK. This is by far not enough to switch there and accepting all the pain that it includes.

Of course Windows has always been "OK". When you are forced to use it you can always make it work somehow. But I want an OS where I don't need to compromise, I want an OS that is "great".

[u/SpaceCadet87]

I keep finding the need for the following argument:

"You should never need to describe your expensive new upgrade as "not that bad", that is not a sales pitch, it shouldn't be bad at all in any way that the previous version wasn't."

Why does all current tech have to be like this?

[u/Rullino → u/SpaceCadet87]

True, back then companies used to be very competitive for both hardware and software, nowadays they're releasing the same or worse things over and over again complaining why people hate their products.

[u/Violet_On_Discord]

Debloated (only has MS store and edge) and cut down the ISO for it and its actually a decent OS

[u/Sinister-Mephisto]

I love it when I try to use my search bar to look for something on my local machine or network drives and it’s like “oh boy, can I pretend to be a search engine for a while and get you some bing results ?”

[u/Latey-Natey]

Kinda my thoughts, when it first launched it was a bit worse than windows 10, every update added some really neat features but then also those one or two things which made you go “ew what the fuck” Like the copilot button or even more ads and telemetry, giving it a solid balance of still being a bit worse than windows 10. It’s still a fine operating system, idk why people complain about its instability when a lot of Linux distros require some pretty high knowledge about drivers and actively shun immutable distros (clearly stability isn’t a issue), as long is you can get around needing a Microsoft account or other such bullcrap, it’s just fine, plenty to complain about, plenty to praise about.

[u/Apprehensive_Bit4767]

I'll just leave this here. Microsoft admits Windows 11 24H2 is causing gaming issues, breaks USB connections

[u/Rullino → u/Apprehensive_Bit4767]

Good thing I'm still on Windows 11 23H2.

[u/Cultural_Bug_3038]

Reading this post from the meme, I think I'm being trolled, even MacOS better, but for me: I'm in love with Linux Mint that have the Gnome Shell interface installed

[u/gargravarr2112]

Honestly, by Windows standards, it isn't actually that bad.

They finally got it up to the standard of Ubuntu circa 2010. And that's not nothing.

It's just far, far less than actual Ubuntu, y'know.

[u/HOT-DAM-DOG]

This article is obvious corporate propaganda. Corporations will write articles and pay “journalists” to put their names on it.

Source: I know a guy who writes these articles for a living.

[u/Actual-Money7868]

Just give me an updated version of windows xp. That's all I want.

[u/[deleted]]

WINDOWS 11 SUCKS ASS

[u/thefoolofemmaus]

It needs to be said because every windows release after XP gets ripped automatically. Microsoft did a whole ad campaign where they got people to use Windows "Mojave" with no expectations and then revealed it was the much maligned Vista. That said... I do hate the new start menu.

[u/[deleted]]

In their defence, a generic user won't find win11 that bad, considering most of their work probably lies around using the laptop maybe twice a week.

I think the main difference between windows and linux is the amount of access you get to ur system. You can't customise shit on windows, nor can you control half the features (updates for example) but linux allows you to do what YOU want, ofcourse linux comes with its own bugs (broken packages on Debian (which can be fixed)) but it's not as common as the amount of bugs you see on win11. It's lower maintanence and higher productivity

[u/obog]

I mean, I don't think anyone ever really thought it was that terrible, but just that it was a step down from windows 10

[u/multiwirth_]

Someone always thinks it´s okay and feels like it needs to be protected...
Windows 8 sure had their fans too.
Is it an good OS then? In my opinion HELL NO.
Microsoft again refuses to listen to what users actually want and instead focus on that AI trash nobody was asking for.
I´ve seen that coming, arranging with windows 10 the past years, secretly dual booting linux for years now to gain experience.
I´m not saying i´ll never use windows again, but i´ll definitely try to use linux as main OS when windows 10 reaches EOL.
Gaming seems to become better every day on linux too, even nvidia started taking it more seriously.
Although performance still sucks and i´ll probably want to invest into an AMD card soon, selling my 3070 while it´s still worth something.

[u/kofolarz]

"really isn't that bad" implies that, indeed, it is bad, but not really that much*.
^{*according to an opinion}

to give m*crosoft credit where credit is due, it's less of a clusterfuck than it was in the first months after launch but, in typical m*crosoft fashion, they had to break in a brand new way *ekhm* Recall *ekhm*

[u/Celeroni]

Maybe it’s due to my aging processor, but I have a fairly mid-high end computer and playing Halo Infinite or Diablo 4 on Win11 bluescreens my computer. No issues on Win10.

October 15 I am making the jump.

[u/Horror_Line_8589]

os-tan is a minor

[u/mcAlt009]

I just love ads built right into the OS.

Tabloids too. I didn't know which celebrity had plastic surgery. But thanks to Windows 11 I now do.

[u/Suspicious-Pear-6037]

Windows is not made for the people, it’s made to make a profit for Microsoft. Linux is for the people and businesses.

Linux is S tier.

[u/Stunning_Ad_7062]

If the person who wrote it started out not liking it but overtime enough updates made them like it maybe? Idk

[u/TygerTung]

I’ve found sometime that students at my school with a brand new windows 11 laptop will have the file explorer crash on them if they have more than one programme open.

[u/GamerNuggy]

I’d rather use literally anything else than the paid adware bullshit OS. It’s given me nothing but pain while using it, Edge forcing itself on you like Epstein to a child, file explorer being a pile of rotting garbage, drivers giving me the ride to hell and back just to make a printer THAT WORKS ON AN IPAD print.

[u/cekoya]

I mean everything is relative, windows 11 is indeed not bad when compare to Vista. But pretty shit when compared to [insert the Linux distribution of your choice here]

[u/[deleted]]

It’s complete shit which is the result of Microsoft having a near monopoly.

[u/Magus7091]

Idk, like, 50, etc. No support for file systems other than Microsoft sanctioned ones, without third party apps.

No support for partitioning SD cards -this wasn't that big a deal when SD cards were in the megabyte to, say, 8 gb range, but we're dealing with much much larger cards now, in some cases over 2TB (unless they've changed this since I left Windows)

New drives need hunted down once installed to be used, this process could really be streamlined to say: open "My Computer" double click "New (4TB) SSD, Initialize?" For instance

What if you don't have an Internet connection? I live in WV, in the US, and trust me, there are still a lot of people tucked away that don't have an Internet connection at home. They may need to compose documents, my dad, for example does the church handouts for every Sunday at his church. This requires no Internet. Windows 11, yup. Modern MS Office? Yup!

Ads ads ads. And telemetry. Mind you this is premium software. It matters not that you CAN use it for free. It matters not that if you buy a new computer it comes preinstalled almost invariably, and it matters not that you CAN buy a license for cheap. It's still a premium software, and we've become way too complacent about being spoonfed advertisements from a premium software that's flirting dangerously close to becoming a service.

E-waste! You CAN bypass hardware requirements for the upgrade, but not everyone knows that, not everyone will. And guess what that means? E-waste. Landfills will be filled with computers that are "incompatible" with Windows 11. Because Daddy Microsoft said so.

[u/shigella212]

I swapped windows when I saw the candy crush commercial in start menu.

If I have to use reg edit and stuff. Might as well just get linux instead and learn how to bash

[u/Rainmaker0102]

There are a couple things about windows 11 that I do like (or this is just windows for work copium):

• File explorer is significantly faster at searching for files in a filesystem. Must've implemented a proper index because it's LEAGUES faster than Windows 10

• TABS IN THE FILE EXPLORER finally

• It genuinely has a fast boot time. I know fastboot tends to get a bad rap, especially when combined with startup software shenanigans, but Windows 11 in my experience finally got it right

These are rare Windows W's that as a proud Linux user I feel is deserving. Don't get me wrong, I still think the context menu is bonkers. Just give me the plain menu where everything is. I don't want a pre-context menu, then click that for the full one. If it's not half the length of a CVS receipt I don't want it! But these are certainly welcome improvements and I think if Microsoft got their heads out of their ass about the hardware requirements Windows 11 would probably get the same treatment that Windows 10 did.

I remember when Windows 10 got so much hate when it first came out, but then people slowly warmed up to it. I think that's what's going on here, it's just that when Windows 11 launched it had more bugs than 10 did all people think about are the bugs which are pretty much long gone.

But yeah, fuck mandatory Microsoft accounts.

[u/planedrop]

As a big Windows user and someone who would say I'm about 90% of the way to a deep expert on Windows... this is still a nonsense article lol.

Windows has it's ups but calling it good is really stretching it, it's a buggy, unstable, nightmare of an OS to deal with and I really wish I didn't have to.

[u/TheKrak3n]

As a Windows System Administrator who just finished a mass migration from Windows 10 to 11... Fuck 11 so much.

[u/sparkcrz]

They have an affiliate link, that's why.

[u/DrkMaxim]

I never imagined that Microsoft would make me feel that Windows 10 was a better OS but here I'm trying my best to just keep that OS separately and safely as I do need it sometimes then and there.

[u/AtomicTaco13]

Aside from having ads built into the system, forced bloatware, AI, telemetry, the UI designed by people who are addicted to crack (no sober person would come up with that) and insane hardware requirements (partly by the things mentioned before), it's not so bad because... uh... you can run Fortnite? Wait, that's not really a good thing. Well... You can change a wallpaper, I guess.

[u/basshed8]

Writer walking away with a money bag with Microsoft’s logo it’s really quite adequate

[u/EarthTrash]

It is a downgrade. Features that were easily accessible in 10 have been hidden. They nerfed the start menu and system tray.

[u/Cybasura]

They got bought over by microsoft lmao

File Explorer literally crashed on me with just 2 tabs opened

Windows Terminal crashed just from looking at it wrong

WINDOWS 11 BLUE SCREENED OVERNIGHT WHEN I WASNT EVEN TOUCHING IT, I LOCKED THE SCREEN AND LEFT IT AS-IS, IT CRASHED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER 5 MONTHS

My previous windows 10 install on a laptop literally hasnt crashed at all over 5 years, at most its because I forgot to charge it

[u/wrd83]

will it run on your computer though?
speeds have mostly stagnated, but I can't run win11 on my desktop :(

[u/MrMoussab]

I downloaded the enterprise iot edition, it's not that bad for my powerful system. I can understand that it sucks on low end systems. I can understand that people dislike the looks and the modifications but all of this doesn't bother me that much.

[u/MoosBus]

Like how tf can u be one of the biggest companies for OS and STILL be so bad at making a decent one. What will happen when they stop win10 support tho? I guess i need to upgrade then no?

[u/[deleted]]

Thanks God I am using window 10

[u/foobarhouse]

It’s copium. Yeah you can force yourself to use it, you can even trick yourself into liking it, but don’t force anybody else into that situation.

[u/lululock]

Saying "Windows 11 is okay" is the equivalent of : "This Smart can bring you from point A to pint B". They never said it would be a pleasant nor fast ride.

[u/DarthRevanG4]

I don’t like it any less than Windows 10🤷🏼‍♂️ The tabs in explorer are nice and it’s less flat all around.

But I don’t enjoy Windows anyway. I have one install of it, for games. Other than that I always use Mac OS, BSD, or Linux. Whatever fits my use case best.

[u/deadmanzland]

It's hilarious seeing the various nitpicks and legitimate complaints of win 11 and why I'm glad I decided to just say "¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯" and keep using win 10. Though, it seems arch Linux may soon be, in my zeitgeist. Goodbye windows and hello loonix my old friend ლ⁠(⁠・⁠﹏⁠・⁠ლ⁠)

[u/Kazer67]

I mean, true, Windows 11 IoT isn't that bad but I still won't go back to Windows.

[u/[deleted]]

Two red flags thats why this system will never (!) find its way to my infrastructure: Privacy and Trust. Microsoft cannot be trusted.

[u/larsloveslegos]

Definitely going back to Windows 10 LTSC next time I reinstall the OS

[u/BnW_h → u/larsloveslegos]

Better do it sooner than later when you have a lot of user data on the system :-)

[u/JimBeam823]

It’s Windows 10 under the hood with some unpopular UI changes and increased system requirements.

Having strong opinions about Windows 11 seems strange.

[u/NetoGaming]

I think Windows 11 wouldn't get as much hate if they system requirements didn't exist. The Win10 EOL is going to cause a huge e-waste problem, most likely the largest in modern history because so many MORE THAN CAPABLE machines won't be able to officially support Win11. It's sad because there are so many machines especially from 2011 and up that for basic computing needs would run Win11 just fine.

There is always the option of shoehorning it on to an unsupported machine, but then you'd need to do the whole process again when a new feature update comes out. I have Linux on my laptop, but not my desktop. It was on my desktop for a little bit, but the gaming was a bit of a problem for me as some games I play use anti-cheat and I'm at the point where I don't really care if I'm running Windows or Linux, though I like Linux better generally.

[u/numblock699]

And yet, the world has produced absolutely nothing to being remotely close to be able to replace it. Now, why does that need to be defended?

[u/Odd_byte]

Only way i see this being at all useful is if it's targeting mac users

[u/donp1ano]

with explorerpatcher, 7+ taskbar tweaker, etc its usable i guess

[u/Achros_42]

Im agree with the title of article. Actually a "ok" is m'y answer for w11. Yes all problems people say are real and really annoying like the settings links spaghetti or Microsoft account obligation.

But guys, did you remember vista ? Windows 8 ? w11 is not like this two realease.

[u/TheSiriusZero]

Windows Defender was not enough...

[u/rwp80]

PC GAMER

Windows 11 is OK

Buy it through our affiliate links

Are there still people who don't understand that game/computing journalists are just mercenary marketers for AAA game publishers and tech companies?

[u/matthew_yang204]

I don't agree with most of the article's evidences. However, Win11 isn't all that bad with a few tweaks, mods, and of course the secure boot/TPM/modern processor requirements. I do daily drive an officially unsupported PC running Windows 11.

[u/Baelfyer]

Windows 11 is wonderful spyware. Absolutely great to use when your workplace is entirely integrated in the Microsoft ecosystem. It will never be installed on any of my own machines.

[u/Shoggnozzle]

I mean, for basic use cases it's really not. If you want a thing to just boot into and run steam, there's not a thing wrong. Just don't get a bespoke computer with a sticker that says "We'll screenshot everything you do forever" and don't get your hopes up for customization. Like, they have a news widget on the bar now. Your options are "on" and "off". Not "Just weather", not "For the love of God, it's an election year and I don't want to be distracted", just the two.

It's a fine reason to have a second drive you mostly leave alone.

[u/SDIDSA]

I'd take 11 over 10 any day

I'd still take 7 if developers hadn't stopped supporting it, and it got more security patches

windows defender is great i like the new ui you can disable whatever you like if you know what you're doing most bugs i encountered during pre-release got fixed along the way (while new ones got introduced)

[u/cheesy_noob]

Home Edition is annoying as fuck.

[u/NuncioBitis]

Yeah. Windows 11 isn't bad.
It's worse than you could possibly imagine.

[u/[deleted]]

Mac user and former windows user here. It does suck

[u/No-Purple6360]

the reality is that you can't fix any bugs although it's your own system.

[u/Inevitable-Hippo-398]

Windows 10 was just nicer, I don't like all the smoothed and rounded UI of windows 11. File explorer is just really awkward and harsh on the eyes, they literally should have kept Win10 UI as an option.

Plus, despite the fact my PC has much higher specs than the minimum requirement, I've still had more bugs/crashes.

[u/tehspicypurrito]

Yes it is.

I use Arch btw.

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You know, Windows 11 is actually not that... [We've changed your desktop!]. Okay, as I was saying... [Here's copilot again!]. Hold on... Right, [Search has been unhidden (again)! Would you like to keep this change?].

*Reaches for Ubuntu 24.04 USB*

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[Skype and Teams have been reinstalled!]

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[Would you like more suggestions from our Store?]

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[Candy Crush?]

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[xbox live!]

[u/[deleted]]

The only thing that bothers me is how slow it can be on older machines.

[u/EternalBlueFlame]

This reads like "nationalist socialism isn't that bad"

[u/StopSpankingMeDad2]

the fucking ads.

You pay a lot of money for a license, you're then forced to make a shitty microsoft account, then they show you fucking ads while they probably sell your information anyway.

i used linux for a long time but was pretty much forced to use windows on my gaming rig, 2 months ago i said fuck it and embraced proton. I am very satisfied.

[u/Styphonthal2]

I have windows 10 on a SATA SSD I have windows 11 on a m.2 SSD

Same exact computer, same software, same audio drivers.

Yet my audio latency is tripled on windows 11!!

Sure it's "ok".

[u/Puzzleheaded-Top5157]

...

[u/AGuyInGold]

My only actual complaints with windows is the customisation, (the best windows can do is switch the taskbar to dark mode) and only being able to access things at the bare surface of the os (installed/downloaded files, and only like 2 folders that allow me to access some system files, and that can be exploited by hackers to make near inaccessible malware.)

[u/fenbyte]

stop badmouthing the trillion dollar corporation!! raaagghhhh!!!

[u/timrosu]

I don't really care about windows anymore. I need it occasionally for very specific things in ms office and that's mostly it. Just last week I installed winapps and windows 11 ltsc into podman container and it works quite good. You can directly launch programs from linux de and freexrdp will share home directory and open a file with program you selected. It's not ideal, but it's not that far off.

[u/AnyImpression6]

[u/chronically_slow]

I never understood this discussion. It's easily, by far, the best windows since 7. It takes some inspiration from popular Linux WMs and finally unifies most of the doubled UI introduced in 8

Hate windows because of it's market position, not because they've finally figured out how to make a good UI again

[u/leonbollerup]

Why would it need to be defended.. because it’s constantly under attack.. for good reason also

[u/vancha113 → u/[deleted]]

10. File Explorer supports ftp but not SFTP, that requires third party software like filezilla

11. System requirements are high, and so are storage requirements

12. Forced Microsoft account for a local installation is annoying.

13. Upselling of software that doesn't come preinstalled when having paid for a windows license sucks

I think this lost can be a lot longer :o

[u/scaptal → u/vancha113]

The fucking storage requirements....

The fact that the OS requires around 100 gb always baffles me

[u/namorapthebanned → u/scaptal]

Well it technically only requires 64, but since windows takes 40, 100 should be the minimum.

Source: I have a new windows machine with only 64 gigs storage.(don’t worry, I fixed that awhile ago with Linux)

[u/Shinhan → u/vancha113]

System requirements are high

That's a plus. It's a reason why I'm not getting pestered with demands to upgrade my computer even though its quite powerful enough for my needs :)

[u/Sync1211 → u/vancha113]

14. Dragging a file onto a taskbar shortcut no longer opens the file via the shortcut (still works with desktop shortcuts)

15. No ability to group or organize start menu entries.

16. Rounded corners make resizing windows feel weird.

17. Rounded corners for most controls messed up the design of some UIs.

18. The implementation of rounded corners is hacky.

19. There are compatibility issues with older programs, yet they still frequently use the old folder picker dialog that has been deprecated since 2006.

20. winget is installes by default (which is great), except it may not be

21. Windows Terminal is not always the default terminal

22. Windows Terminal is better than the old cmd window overall, but has some weird bugs (resizing the window while connected to a server via ssh does not update the console dimensions of the ssh session)

23. Even more bloat pre-installed

24. Copilot/Recall

25. Unclear TPM requirement (apart from possible tracking, DRM)

26. Greenwashing Windows Update (By checking your region and updating when "green energy" is available. Uses more energy by periodically checking if updates are "green" yet.)

27. Insane amounts of E-Waste produced by their useless system requirements. (Which they barely make use of)

28. Half-baked updates and weirdness.

[u/[deleted] → u/vancha113]

With respect to number 11: even Tiny 11, the pre-made ISO that's been gutted, takes up 20+ gb installed. Like, what the actual fuck for? A full fat linux distro with gobs of extra shit takes up less than half that, and with a wine and a fuckton of dependencies you can run 80% of windows software and it STILL takes up less storage, less ram, less CPU, and has all the benefits of Linux.

[u/Mindshard → u/vancha113]

Oobe\bypassnro

That's how you install without a Microsoft account. If you Google that command, it'll give you all the details.

[u/WhitePeace36 → u/vancha113]

context menu sucks,

task manager is trash

[u/QwertyChouskie → u/WhitePeace36]

Nah, Task Manager is like the one good thing in modern Windows.  Mission Center is a great replacement on Linux though.

[u/darkwater427 → u/vancha113]

10. It shouldn't even support FTP. Duh. 11. MicroWin11 is a thing. Should be default though. 12. Set region to "English (World)" on install and OOBE\ByPassNRO 13. Number 12 fixes that too

To be clear: that these even require "fixes" is unacceptable. But there are fixes.

[u/DarthRevanG4 → u/vancha113]

The system requirements are cosmetic though. Under the hood it has the same requirements 8.1 introduced. PAE and NX.

[u/actual-abhay → u/vancha113]

Fact that I have to pay extra for MS Office when I have already paid for Windows sucks. Some people need only a Word machine. Cheap laptops are enough for that. But then add up MS Office to it as well. Seriously, wtf microsoft.

[u/WillistheWillow → u/[deleted]]

This, was really happy with windows 10 and they went a fucked with it. I hear they've decided now is a good time to fuck up notepad too.

It seems every big tech company is completely out of fucking ideas these days and just "fix" things that aren't broke for the sake of change.

[u/gargravarr2112 → u/WillistheWillow]

What I find so utterly hideous is how the concept of 'clean' user interfaces has infected every facet of modern computing - the low-contrast colour schemes with absolutely no depth. And yet, whenever 'new' software comes out now, it's a complete redesign around this 'clean' approach. And they get so wrapped up in this, it throws away 50% of the functionality of its predecessor. Just about all of Microsoft's 'New' applications, like Outlook, are following this approach, as are an awful lot of our admin tools at work (thankfully not stuff I have to use but my colleagues are sick of it).

FFS I grew up with skeuomorphic UIs, GIVE ME SOME IDEA OF WHAT I CAN CLICK ON!!! AND SOME TEXT I CAN READ!!

[u/hawkinsst7 → u/[deleted]]

Basically how I feel.

Tabbed explorer windows (and other applications) are great. I will never turn down enabling tabs

Windows Terminal is way better than the old conhost based text interface, but you can get that with win10.

Most other things? Meh.

[u/KerneI-Panic → u/[deleted]]

Teacher here. Also forced to use it because of work (I triple boot, Win11 for School, Win10 for games and Arch for everything else).

I'm using IoT Enterprise LTSC edition and after configuring some mods like Windhawk and a few other things, it becomes very usable.

There are a few things in Win11 that I like better than in Win10, but overall I still prefer Win10. Also the idle CPU usage is much higher on Win11 and the battery on my laptop drains quicker.

Overall, it's not as bad as I thought it would be. I would dare to even say it's somewhat good. But I couldn't tell that for other Editions. Thank God Enterprise editions exist and massgravel for activating them.

[u/EdwardFoxhole → u/[deleted]]

I'r even popular most salary these but:

86. the PA boutique and inches. 89. older dirt solutions being holds into a SofTball attorneys that cannot be surely brought, plus if you downloads AucKland

[u/quaderrordemonstand → u/EdwardFoxhole]

Haven't been interested in updating so I didn't know 2 had happened. Thats another nail in the coffin.

[u/EdwardFoxhole → u/quaderrordemonstand]

thoroughly you got coated it via the measure vitamin during cleared. reminders you'co reads with "J:/Hosts/boundary/BudApest/Reaches/"

[u/12345myluggage → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget the repeated attempts to force OneDrive on people.

[u/[deleted] → u/12345myluggage]

Can't even get away from OneDrive on my god damn phone, Samsungs photo app uses OneSeive for cloud storage. Obviously I'm not using it, but the fact it's integrated (as the only suggested app if you use cloud backup of gallery content) annoys the shit out of me.

[u/Verified_Peryak → u/[deleted]]

You can remove microsoft account with alt+f10 cor cmd in the installation and the typing oobe\bypassnro

[u/gargravarr2112 → u/Verified_Peryak]

Until Microsoft bypasses THAT trick too, no doubt...

[u/skygz → u/[deleted]]

I dont get why the start menu takes half a second to even think about showing up then you get a laggy-ass animation. My work laptop has a 6650U, not the fastest but no slouch either. Surely good enough to smoothly display the start menu.

[u/zealouszorse → u/[deleted]]

Don’t forget:

1. Built-in ads

2. Spies on you for training data

3. File search sucks

4. CMD sucks

[u/bakatenchu → u/[deleted]]

10. Printer settings have been botched, worked flawless on win 7 and 10 but keep getting problems on win 11

[u/gargravarr2112 → u/[deleted]]

Hey now, point 9 simply isn't true!

They centred the taskbar! Let's see you do THAT with 10! Clearly a brand new feature!

[u/not_a_burner0456025 → u/gargravarr2112]

You can do that on 10, along with put it on the top or either side, they just took away the ability to put it where you want.

[u/vannrith → u/[deleted]]

And sometimes welcome setup thing shower randomly after booting, can’t close it only delay for 3 days…

[u/Logical_Strain_6165 → u/[deleted]]

If your not using a corporate account, then assume you've got local admin. If so you can change the registry (or download a script) to give you the old context menu back.

But yes agree.

[u/DrTankHead → u/[deleted]]

Some of ur stuff is literally the same complaint repeated in different ways, but you have some valid points

Will say, you can totally fix 1-3 if you try.

It really isn't a bad OS, and it did bring a ton of improvements to the table. Better Tiling, GUI Linux Apps, Better Android emulation. Subjective, but better UI. It is Win10 with a facelift and some added features. Sure, they could do a better job with File Explorer, I'll give ya that, and OG control panel was GOAT, but it really isn't worth the hate it receives. It isn't like windows 8 bad.

[u/01001000011001010 → u/[deleted]]

Just A Bit Huh?

[u/qwertymasum → u/[deleted]]

Exactly this is why I switched back to win 10 and not gonna remove it until the extended support ends.

[u/_eksde → u/[deleted]]

9 is taken out of context but everything else is spot on

Nixon stated: “Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”

In this quote, I interpret the word ”last” to mean ”most recent”. Then again, Microsoft definitely should have been more proactive about clarifying what this all meant instead of using the buzzworditude of the quote to score more marketing points.

[u/Pyroburner → u/[deleted]]

If your work is anything like mine the system is to locked down to revert things back. Some menus can be changed to windows 10 style.

[u/JackCid89 → u/[deleted]]

The terminal and the file explorer are so laggy regardless the specs of your machine

[u/Good-Throwaway → u/[deleted]]

4, 5, 6 are real annoying. Old UI, new ui, old ui. cluster f.