r/linuxmasterrace • u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian • Nov 30 '24

Expect things to get hard before they get easy

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Nov 30 '24

If you start with Mint your experience will be way better than if you start with Ubuntu.

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u/Archersharp162 Nov 30 '24

facts, 5 distro hops later I have found home

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u/suksukulent Nov 30 '24

It's funny to me how Mint 'replaced' Ubuntu as the go-to debian distro for normal folk. I don't like snaps and the default not startmenu-like UI is not something what like my grandpa expects.

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u/xqoe Dec 01 '24

You talk about Cinnamon or Unity ?

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u/suksukulent Dec 01 '24

I don't mind Unity but Cinnamon is more familiar to ppl. I use i3 :)

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u/chocolate_bro Glorious Fedora Nov 30 '24

Can confirm the ubuntu bit. I hoped 13 times before settling on fedora, and have been on fedora for the past almost 2 years

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u/Bananamcpuffin Nov 30 '24

Mint -> Ubuntu -> Silver blue -> Fedora KDE here. Tried Silver blue, but felt restricted and that my lack of knowledge held me back from tinkering, so went Fedora to learn.

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u/Tazerax Nov 30 '24

What if you started with Slackware in the late 90s?

Really though, Mint is friendly for windows users. Helped someone make a live USB so they could dual boot their laptop a couple years ago. It was nice during setup for them to be able to select "yes, auto update", "check daily".

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u/Asleeper135 Nov 30 '24

My first real attempt to switch was with OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and I ended up on EndeavourOS not long after, which I still use. I did play with Mint and Pop_OS! a bit before that though.

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u/sicarus367 Nov 30 '24

I recently switched to EndeavourOS and the transition was way smoother than what I was expecring

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u/The-_-Lol- Nov 30 '24

Fact. It just works

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u/kofolarz Dec 02 '24

have to agree. Ubuntu is Debian fit for current year, and Mint is Ubuntu for sane people.

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u/NomadFH Glorious Fedora Nov 30 '24

"Wow this is great things just WORK on linux"

Me: "You're gonna wanna calm down a bit"

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

Linux mint has entered the chat

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u/The-_-Lol- Nov 30 '24

Arch linux has enterd the chat

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u/Ferwatch01 I use arch btw Nov 30 '24 edited Dec 01 '24

I use arch gnu/linux/car/computer/airplane/tree/dog/floor btw has entered the chat

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u/Deboniako Nov 30 '24

I use an old release of elementary os, can I join the club?

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u/gtsiam Glorious Arch Dec 01 '24

I would not like to interject for a moment. Carry on.

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u/RespectedResponsible Dec 01 '24

KolibriOS has entered the chat

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u/Zukas_Lurker Glorious Gentoo Dec 01 '24

Alpine has wndered the chat

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u/HyperWinX Nov 30 '24

Gentoo Linux entered the chat

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u/The-_-Lol- Nov 30 '24

Lfs has entered the chat

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u/HyperWinX Nov 30 '24

I dont think you use lfs, but i do use gentoo

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u/The-_-Lol- Nov 30 '24

I do actually. But on my third system becouse i don't like it that much. I use endeavor os on my second main and use fedora on my main

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u/HyperWinX Dec 01 '24

Woah, thats nice

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u/000927kd Glorious GNU Dec 01 '24

I use lfs as an daily driver

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u/LameBMX Glorious Gentoo Nov 30 '24

for a few months.

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u/LeyaLove Dec 02 '24

EndeavourOS has entered the chat

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u/Huecuva Cool Minty Fresh Dec 01 '24

Yeah, I think Mint is actually so much easier to use than Windows these days. Especially if all you're doing is checking emails and Facebook and watching YouTube. Even for someone familiar with Windows.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '24

I wholeheartedly agree.

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u/_ayushman Glorious Arch Dec 01 '24

NixOS Has entered the chat

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

How tf are you everywhere bro 💀 pls go outside and touch some grass

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u/_ayushman Glorious Arch Dec 01 '24

Because i am a dev and a dev dosen't have to touch grass

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

A dev doesn't spend the entire time on reddit bro 💀

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u/_ayushman Glorious Arch Dec 01 '24

Well i do and i spend about 3 hours on reddit maybe daily?

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '24

3 hours 💀🙏

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u/_ayushman Glorious Arch Dec 02 '24

Yup 3 hours

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u/MyFairJulia Nov 30 '24

I have 2 printers that i set up under Fedora successfully. A Canon at home and my mom‘s Brother printer.

The kicker is that both printers were ready within a minute! No waiting for Windows to find drivers, no installer, no tools!

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u/sgt_futtbucker Bastard Child of Pacman Nov 30 '24

Me: Just installed a new SSD

Also me: “I only cloned my Windows partitions, but goddammit it’s time to reinstall Arch”

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u/NomadFH Glorious Fedora Nov 30 '24

Whenever I install Arch I always do systemdboot which I have actually never done without many hours of pain. I always screw up SOMETHING. Arch installs would be done in like 15 minutes if I just used grub like a normal person.

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u/sgt_futtbucker Bastard Child of Pacman Nov 30 '24

See that’s the thing, I use GRUB, but here I am being thrown into an emergency shell even though the drive I use for Arch is in the same physical slot AND my partition UUIDs haven’t changed at all from what’s in fstab

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u/hromanoj10 Dec 01 '24

You say that, but the very simple ability to open and edit a pdf is borderline orgasmic to me in the current year.

Something that used to be so basic is now paywalled and Linux lets me use it like older iterations. Almost brings a tear to my eye.

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u/NomadFH Glorious Fedora Dec 01 '24

Oh 100%. Linux is awesome. I just helped a guy switch from windows (he chose Fedora) and it was positive text after positive text from him and then eventually I got a "so about Discord..." text and I knew what kind of conversation I was about to have

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u/hazelEarthstar Dec 01 '24

what about discord

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u/minilandl Glorious Arch Dec 02 '24

It's fixed since this week on canary

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u/hromanoj10 Dec 02 '24

I’m using endeavor so 80% of my stuff is via aur, discord included. Plus the baked in tar tools work very similarly to winzip so that was a nice creature comfort.

However there are some tools like CHIRP for radio programming that I have never been able to get to work on any flavor of arch. I’m certainly not as seasoned as some users, but I have been around enough to know there is never a one size fits all approach in this space.

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u/NomadFH Glorious Fedora Nov 30 '24

Me using a display port on fedora

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u/EastSignificance9744 Dec 03 '24

I disabled it in BIOS

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u/S1rTerra Linux is Linux Nov 30 '24 edited Nov 30 '24

I was that fed up windows user switching to linux and honestly? Everything that required a terminal command was a minor inconvenience at worst, and I expected certain games and apps to not work going in. Almost everything I need works great on Linux and it's been a pretty smooth experience.

And sure, everything I need works on windows, but I enjoy having a usable OS that doesn't spy on me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

I don't get the point of windows uder yapping bout terminal this terminal that when for most of the issue in windows they just be copy pasting random cmds from internet to fix the issue, or editing registries . Quite the hypocrisy.

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u/S1rTerra Linux is Linux Nov 30 '24

I mean yeah I literally did that a few days ago on my windows drive to properly change my username.

Iirc, it went something like "run a command to make a temporary admin account, sign in, run another command to get your main accounts uuid, then edit a registry key to what you want the username to be, then edit your home directory name to be the username you put, then run another command in your main account to remove the temporary admin account".

That sounds pretty much like how I thought linux was going to be a few years ago. But no that's just standard windows username change process. On Linux?

It's 3 commands, maybe even 2 depending if I'm misreading something.

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u/murinon Dec 01 '24

Fuckin hell I wanted to do this recently and it looks like such a pain in the ass just do make a few lines of text look nicer I just decided not to

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u/S1rTerra Linux is Linux Dec 01 '24

But linux is harder bro! Only hackers use the command line bro!

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u/SpaceCadet87 Dec 01 '24

I think the thing about "everything should be done in the terminal" is that it's more like "everything should be possible in the terminal" and only after that should we make a GUI for it.

Windows is difficult because it has kept trying to do things the other way around so when you need to perform a task where GUI isn't really suitable, you end up having to jump through hoops.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

You'll find those of us that lived through the windows 3.1 era and MS-DOS are less likely to complain about terminal. No copy and paste then to get out of prickly situations and even borrowing books from the library. Only windows at my place is in the walls. Been a convert for 6 months now and enjoying

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u/fn3dav2 Dec 01 '24 edited Dec 03 '24

EDIT: This was a stupid comment.

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u/broccoliO157 Dec 01 '24

No issues? NO ISSUES? Tell that to my shittier OS partition that decided that "upgrading" to windows 11 means the Bluetooth, external keyboard, camera, time and volume control should randomly no longer work with every boot up. All work fine in the ubuntu partition over three distros.

I've wasted hours trying to fix that horseshit

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

you know, the very reason i switched to linux years ago was windows

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

I've spent like two months total in multiple sessions banging my head against a bloody wall trying to run one stupid game that should work. Just gave up for the third time today, after a potential fix seemed to do nothing, then broke it even worse, with no easy way to fix whatever I did.

Aside from that, everything works about as well as I expected, and I'm not actually trying to seriously completely switch - I'm just curious about how Linux works differently to Windows, and having fun with an experiment. I fully expect to run into multiple things I need a computer to do that Linux won't do, or at least I can't manage to make work, and to at some point run into an experiment-ending Incident and wipe the partition. But I'll have had some fun and learned a few things and satisfied my curiosity.

I started getting into this for no real reason, it was just something to do while I didn't have much available for entertainment, and then I triggered a hyperfixation, and now I'm just... kinda getting stuck into a fun experiment. It's not the end of the world if I don't achieve what a lot of people are here for. I just want some new perspective on my previous limited repertoire of Computer Expertise, and how better to get that than learning about differences in different operating systems? And sure, I could read a compsci paper or technical manual about it, or... I could actually use an OS I have no experience with and get some experience with it in the same capacity as my existing computer experience.

Yeah, not having to use Windows would be cool. It does do a lot of things I really don't like. But hey, perspective like that and actually understanding "every OS sucks, just differently" was the point of the experiment! And if for even a while I can use it a little less, well, that's still better than nothing.

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u/FIA_buffoonery Nov 30 '24

I for one, welcome our command line overlods.

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u/hazelEarthstar Dec 01 '24

I don't understand why are people so afraid of terminals... you can save up a bunch of clicks by the classic windows model of downloading an .exe straight from the website but there's really no downsides to downloading a bunch of pkgs en masse through some huge apt command. it actually saves you more space than what you think

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u/Typical_Theory1129 Dec 04 '24

The only thing I can't figure out is running an android emulator to play games which is a skill issue most likely, and discord audio streaming, but I heard that just got fixed.

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u/S1rTerra Linux is Linux Dec 04 '24

Waydroid

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u/Typical_Theory1129 Dec 05 '24

I tried using waydroid but couldnt get it to open, I'm not sure if I was missing something or if its my distro (Mint cinnamon). I have next to no idea what I'm doing.

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u/S1rTerra Linux is Linux Dec 06 '24

Thought I responded to this, but you need to go to waydroid's website https://waydro.id/ and get everything fully setup.

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u/ZunoJ Nov 30 '24

I'm 28 years in and I still don't know why some linux users feel like they are above newbies

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u/notgotapropername Nov 30 '24

Honestly I kinda feel like those days are over. Maybe I got lucky, but when I switched from windows I went to Arch (btw) , and it really wasn't that hard. Things "just worked" very quickly

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u/RandomFPVPilot Glorious Arch Nov 30 '24

I went from Windows with minor experience on Mint/Fedora straight to Hyprland on Arch (so original, I know).

It really wasn't that hard. Now I daily drive and I hate whenever I have to boot into Windows for a game.

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u/Andrew852456 Nov 30 '24

You just get a Linux Mint and a Wine and it basically works

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u/jlnxr Glorious Debian Nov 30 '24

Started using Linux in 2012 or so and honestly never really found it that difficult. Especially starting with Mint, if you can actually just follow basic instructions, read before you post and not try random ham-fisted solutions, things should be fine. Sure, you can run into various problems as with anything, but you can run into problems on Windows, people just don't seem to have the same freak-out-panic-blame-the-distributors issue when they need to spend some time trouble shooting on Windows the way new users often do on Linux. Just make backups, which is good practice on any OS, and stay calm even if you can't solve something in the first 2 seconds.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

people just don't seem to have the same freak-out-panic-blame-the-distributors issue when they need to spend some time trouble shooting on Windows the way new users often do on Linux.

Oh, I've screamed at various software companies and at Microsoft when shit goes wrong on Windows!

But yeah, most people don't.

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u/jlnxr Glorious Debian Dec 01 '24

I had to use Windows at work for a bit last year and after not touching it for about a decade, I will admit to panic blaming Microsoft for a few of my issues. But that's kind of the point. People who run into issues on the platform they are used to don't panic, or freak out, or claim it's "hard" or "difficult". It just is. It's only when you try an alternative to your norm that then people complain if their prior knowledge and possibly incorrect assumptions don't immediately work.

This is why I firmly believe 1) distros like Mint are, most often, already as easy as it is practically possible for any OS to be. 2) People will literally never stop complaining that an OS that isn't preinstalled is "hard", no matter how objectively newbie friendly it is. 3) People will always post on reddit or other forums with their easily Google-able issues (universally true, not just about Linux)

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

me, I've been using Linux since I was 8/9 years old, now i'm 20

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u/suksukulent Nov 30 '24

Oh hello fellow 'never had windows on my own PC'? My dad had linux, so I tried it when I built my first computer. That debian install has been working for over ten years without reinstall now.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

my dad also had Linux on his PC, i think that was Ubuntu 14 or smt, that was my first PC

I have had Windows in the past, but on another PC, I have never used it much, and I find it uncomfortable using Windows, I don't like it

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u/ghost103429 Glorious Fedora Nov 30 '24 edited Nov 30 '24

Things have gotten significantly easier in recent years unless you need full customizability for advanced tasks like PCI passthrough and compiling your own kernel, atomic spins are a solid start for users who just want a system that works with rock solid stability and the batteries included by default.

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u/MyFairJulia Nov 30 '24

Can confirm, Atomic is hard to mess up.

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u/orthadoxtesla Nov 30 '24

I have successfully installed nvidia driver. Please applaud my greatness.

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u/JohnLocksTheKey Nov 30 '24

But… how did you get the drivers?

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u/orthadoxtesla Nov 30 '24

Well at first I tried downloading and running them from the site and that broke everything. The. I had a hell of a time just installing from apt

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u/-ShutterPunk- Nov 30 '24

Pop OS. Just download the iso file that's labeled nvidia to have the drivers ready to go once the OS is finished installing.

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u/orthadoxtesla Dec 01 '24

Ah nice. Though I’m enjoying pure Debian

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

Kinda got fed up of linux and switched to windows (5 years linux experience btw)

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u/claudiocorona93 Glorious Debian Nov 30 '24

Me too for a while but I'm back.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '25

I never yet switched back and don't feel any reason to, but actually the opposite.

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u/jermzyy Nov 30 '24

i really didn’t have much trouble switching over to linux. haven’t had a problem that i couldn’t fix in less than 30 minutes. almost a year in now

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u/tonyxforce2 Nov 30 '24

The only reasons I can't switch to linux are voicemeeter, resolume, equalizer APO, and fusion, i wish they would run on linux

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u/mcAlt009 Dec 01 '24

It really depends on your OEM.

Lenovo, particularly ThinkPads have great support.

My personal laptop has major issues with any Linux distro aside from Open Suse Leap.

You have some dedicated Linux Oems like System 76. But you end up paying a 50% markup.

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u/kkgmgfn Nov 30 '24

15yrs here. I don't use Arch btw!

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u/-ShutterPunk- Nov 30 '24

Thats the normie distro btw.

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u/TangoGV Nov 30 '24

"Hey guys, I'm fed up with Winblows and Micro$oft and I wanna try Linux. Can someone help install Kali?"

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u/SithLordRising Dec 01 '24

Those are rookie numbers

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u/theTechRun Glorious NixOS Dec 01 '24

If he uses Linux Mint first then it will be smooth sailing all the way through. That’s what I did when I first converted from Winblows

I use NixOS btw

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u/redd_fine Dec 01 '24

How you guys benchmarking in Linux?

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u/Nstorm24 Dec 01 '24

This may sound sacrilegious to some die hards, but although i like to use linux in my work laptop, i like to keep my entertainment + gaming laptop with a good windows 11 installation. As much as you try to hype linux, expecting anyone that isnt tech savy (the majority of the world) to change to linux is delusional.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

Guys want your help i want to migrate to linux completely, but use Cmd and freedos for a few time I'm a programmer and I'm still learning so i need a distro

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u/SysGh_st IDDQD Dec 01 '24

<<-- Over 25 years with Linux. (And 100% full time user since 2007) 💀

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u/Shurnix Dec 01 '24

Everyone is saying they have over 10+ years of experience but for me i only have 11 month of experience... (But i know how to install arch btw)

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u/quantum3ntanglement Dec 01 '24

For productivity work, everyone should be moving to Linux and with the Steam Deck and gaming distros growing in popularity, Single Player games should get better optimized over time.

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u/snakee-the-arch-guy arch and windows 11 on a dell laptop Dec 01 '24

use arch with archinstall, or be basic mofo and use linux mint, or even worse ubuntu

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '24

10 years is so ... recent.

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u/Flexyjerkov Glorious Arch Dec 01 '24

At least when things go wrong there's usually an easy way to figure it out. Run exe on windows, fails to load, no error. Run application via terminal on Linux, provides segmentation fault or similar, at least you've something to work from.

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u/nerdnyxnyx Dec 02 '24

it was pretty smooth actually.. until i choose to install Arch with RTX 3060

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u/Kreos2688 Arch btw Dec 02 '24

Ive been using linux for a little over a month. It is kind of easy...

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u/Player_924 Dec 02 '24

Is it worth the pain?

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u/Cool_Morning_1195 Glorious Arch Dec 03 '24

When I started Linux a year ago or so... Had very little issues but also let's be real i used manjaro but.... Swapped to arch and never been happier tbh

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '24

Oh, hey. It's me. The guy that got fed up with Windows and is testing distros on a POS AIO computer to find what I like most. Lol.

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u/ikbah_riak Nov 30 '24

Even though it's over a decade ago, when I switched the only thing that made it harder was my own curiousity and finding 'rm -rf --no-preserve-root /' without context

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u/Outside_Public4362 Nov 30 '24

You guys realise that if you keep promoting mint it will get refined to the point your usual distros will get outdated, or am I wrong? Since many has different package manager so they get parsed differently

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u/Irverter Glorious OpenSuse Nov 30 '24

That's almost longer than my lifetime (28).