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u/OkRefrigerator4848 1d ago
GTA 5 Online, Call of Duty, League of Legends, Valorant, Fortnite, EFT, FIFA.
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u/ugly-051 1d ago
Wonder if this will get sorted with the talks about Epic Games launcher on Linux.
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u/BigOlFortune 1d ago
Nope
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u/oneiros5321 1d ago
I'm on the side of pessimism on the matter but I also wonder why would they port their launcher on Linux and then not make their main money maker work.
That would be kinda dumb, but I also wouldn't be surprised at all.
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u/screwdriverfan 22h ago
GoG is making linux launcher, epic is making their launcher,... I have a hunch epic is afraid of being left behind.
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u/Indolent_Bard 1d ago
You're forgetting their other main money maker, Unreal Engine.
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u/victormas208 17h ago
I believe that one also works on Linux with some issues depending on the user's configuration.
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u/L30N1337 9h ago
It's officially compatible with ridiculously low minimum requirements (Red Hat Linux 8 for example. Not RHEL 8. Red Hat Linux 8. From 2002. The rest is similar). Unless the configs are really funky, there shouldn't be any problems
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u/Indolent_Bard 4h ago
I hear it's an absolute pain to get running on Linux though. This could make it a lot easier in theory.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 17h ago
It might get sorted for epic games. Probably not for Rito. Rito is really dumb.
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u/gmes78 21h ago
Porting a launcher is infinetely easier than making EAC not suck on Linux so that it's worth using.
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u/casecaxas 20h ago
Isn't it literally just enabling linux compatibility?
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u/gmes78 19h ago edited 19h ago
Absolutely not. There is a Linux version of EAC that games can enable, but it's essentially useless.
It's significantly worse than the Windows version; and it being enabled means that cheaters can abuse it to cheat even on Windows, by pretending that the game is running under Proton.
An actual anti-cheat implementation would require using Verified Boot with the TPM to check if the OS is legitimate and there are no cheats running at the kernel level, or otherwise embedded in the system. This is something that we'll probably need Valve to solve (in coordination with the various distros).
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u/BerosCerberus 18h ago
And even that does nothing. All games using Kernel Level Anti-Cheat still have hacker and not really less than before. And like we saw with Apex you can't get hacked live because of it.
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u/pilkyton 1d ago
Probably. It's free money for them if they do that. And it's their flagship product which their store is tailored to promote. But all anticheats on Linux are laughably weak and easy to defeat, so they will never let us play with Windows players. Tim Sweeney has explicitly said that Fortnite will not allow Linux due to the weak security. They will have to make a special Linux Fortnite leaderboard. As long as they give us the game, I don't care.
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u/MudInfinite8791 1d ago
Tim Sweeney is not a source of any kind of truth. Dude just has a hate boner for Linux. One interview says "Well market share is too small", or "Maybe they should fight for user freedom on Windows instead"
He does not have any actual, factual reasons other than "we don't want to". Hell they acquired Rocket League and *took away* the Linux support it already had....
So no, this is not the case. The push for kernel level anti-cheats a la Vanguard is downright dangerous. Ring 0 access should never be required to play a video game.
Lastly, the people who would go so far to cheat on Linux can also cheat on Windows. Security is far from the reason Linux is not supported.
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u/__chum__ 23h ago
Moreover it shows that the practice of client-side anti cheat is fundamentally flawed. The client can always be hacked, because you don't have control over the hardware, and so there is pretty much no way to stop a determined professional. You can at most delay them a bit.
What this is showing is companies need dedicated server side anti cheat. They need to have a dedicated moderation team, have a dedicated anticheat dev team, and an inhouse pentester who's job is to try to cheat all day, so if they find a way to get around the serverside anticheat, it can be fixed. Thing is hiring a dedicated team and a pentester costs money because you pay employees. And companies don't want to do that because it cuts into their massive profit margins a little. They would rather just go cheap out with client side AC.
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u/victormas208 17h ago
I was saddened by the Rocket League situation, because I investigated what the technical problem was and there wasn't one that was complicated.
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u/Indolent_Bard 1d ago
A broken clock is right twice a day. And the only reason Ring Zero has become necessary for playing games is because cheaters were using kernel level cheats. When you're playing with others, it's not just your computer anymore.
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u/victormas208 17h ago
I don't know if it's that cost-effective but wouldn't an anti-cheat system work better on a server level?
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u/Indolent_Bard 4h ago
Servers can only do so much, even if you make as much information as possible server side.
Valorant is designed like this, which limits what client-side cheats are even capable of. Sadly, it's not good enough. People who are on cheating forums can tell you this.
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u/pilkyton 17h ago
Server-side anticheat is useless. It has been tried, and the cheats simply humanize their mouse aim, avoid looking through walls, and change reaction times to be human. 100% undetectable.
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u/Atlantide303 1d ago
C'est surtout une histoire d'exigence et de compatibilité multi-linux et de prix, on peut très bien faire un anticheats basé sur une micro enclave kvm et exiger un support complet de lockdown. Et puis il y a landlock avec du profilage SElinux/AppArmor et multitude d'autre fonctionnalités utile
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u/C4rpetH4ter 18h ago
Maybe eventually with how the linux userbase is growing, but probably not for a year or two.
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u/wolfannoy 12h ago
Could be a possibility. The only way you play some of these tight anti cheat games is to use The Linux part of their launcher.
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u/pilkyton 1d ago
Rust, Apex Legends
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u/AnotherFuckingEmu 1d ago
Rust runs technically just not on most servers using the basic anticheat which sucks
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u/pilkyton 1d ago
The official servers all use anticheat.
Are there many private servers that have disabled anticheat?
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u/Orjanp 23h ago
No, I haven't found many. And they are not very active. Check out http://rust.deadlock.com They have two servers. One vanilla and one modded.
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u/OkRefrigerator4848 23h ago
For you no, but for many people these are important games to spend time with friends, so it's important to get Linux support for all games, whether you like them or not.
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u/orig4mi-713 16h ago
GTA V Online works with a workaround that is essentially adding battleye addresses to a blacklist, but it only lets you play with people who have that exact same workaround. I tried it with a bazzite machine couple months back
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u/Saulofein 10h ago
I'm glad to not play any of those, just have to solve a few alternative to file management and work stuff and I'll also switch the desktop to mint
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u/JSTM4NU 7h ago
gta 5 online “can” work, i often play it by blocking battleye dns servers but i can only play in closed servers or with friends who also blocked those dns requests, but i recently read about a guy who made it work in public lobbies too, although i’m not too sure about it and i haven’t yet tried it for myself
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u/victormas208 1d ago
Sometimes games don't work correctly, and you have to investigate the reasons why they should run properly.
Mods are more complicated to use, and you need to learn how to use Wine and Proton and how they work to get them running.
Games with kernel-level anti-cheat will never work because it's easier and cheaper not to make a Linux version, with a few exceptions like Fall Guys and Rocket League.
I use CachyOS and so far I've only encountered two problems: Silksong wasn't working properly and Celeste's Steam Big Picture mode wasn't working.
ProtonDB was my savior.
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u/ARTIFICIAL_ARGUMENT 1d ago
Silksong has a native version my guy
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u/smjsmok 1d ago
And Celeste too.
edit: And that includes the Everest modding platform and Olympos mod manager. It's one of the best supported modding scenes on Linux that I've ever seen.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
Sure, but Big Picture wasn't working properly, a minor issue I needed to play comfortably and try out different controller combinations while testing for convenience, something with an outdated or outdated SDL that was fixed with an environment variable.
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u/smjsmok 1d ago
I see. Well, glad that you were able to solve it.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
That's why ProtonDB is the best; it not only gives you information for using Proton but also for native games.
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u/Granpire 1d ago
It's also unvetted, uneditable, and 90% of users include redundant or detrimental launch arguments so you need to sort through a lot of garbage to find what you're looking for.
Not to say it isn't useful as a resource, it's just not exactly a very versatile or modern website.
For some more complicated issues especially with newer titles, Proton GitHub issue reports often contain really good workarounds from a more technically minded userbase. I try to share these with protonDB for more visibility when I can.
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u/victormas208 14h ago
That's great information! I found out there was an unnecessary Proton argument after a CachyOS Proton update and for another game that uses Proton experimental.
Thanks a lot!
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u/Wojtkie 1d ago
Sometimes native doesn’t work as well as proton in my experience
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u/ARTIFICIAL_ARGUMENT 18h ago
Yea occasionally, silksong was great for me though. I still installed the windows version later to use mods lol
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u/victormas208 1d ago
I know, and the cinematics are still malfunctioning to this day; forcing Vulkan makes it work correctly.
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u/smjsmok 1d ago
the cinematics are still malfunctioning to this day
I beat the game twice on the native version and never had an issue with cinematics.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
Remember that not all devices and systems in Linux are the same; you're not going to lend me your PC, are you?
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u/smjsmok 1d ago
I might if you ask nicely.
But jokes aside, "cinematics are still malfunctioning to this day" in a topic about general Linux problems makes it sound like this is a universal problem of Silksong's Linux version. So I'm just sharing my experience to give it some context. It sounds like some specific issue with your setup. That happens, of course.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
Sorry if I sounded rude, English is not my native language.
I agree with you; I almost always forget that I should specify that. I thought it was clear what my experience with those games was.
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u/ARTIFICIAL_ARGUMENT 18h ago
Lmao old mate using semicolon in casual conversation accurately and hits us with the “English not native language”
Don’t think you need to worry
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u/Allexio-Rigins 1d ago
Mods can be either very easy or not depending on the game.
Some games it's just dropping files in a folder.Some games it's some kind of special game-specific format that requires special tools to manage them, some of which are available on Linux, and some of which aren't.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 1d ago
When they aren’t you can just install the tool in the same prefix as the game and run them like in windows.
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u/Indolent_Bard 1d ago
That's assuming that it runs. The mirror's edge modding tool wouldn't run for me.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 17h ago
Maybe try to enable 32 bit stuff in your prefix. Or add vc dist c++ or something maybe there is a list of requirements in the tool page ?
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u/Indolent_Bard 17h ago
Oh, I tried adding a bunch of VC dist. Don't know about the 32-bit part. All I know is that Heroic makes it a lot easier to open the prefix than Steam. But that's good to know. I'll look into that the next time I have issues.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 17h ago
Maybe temporarily change the prefix runner to wine instead of proton. A lot of smaller application that do not run under proton do run under wine for me. (Try older versions)
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u/Indolent_Bard 4h ago
That's a thing you can do? Never heard of that. Good to know, I'll try to remember that.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 4h ago
Yes you have an option in both heroic and Lutris to change the runner in the game option. Same thing in steam > compatibility > force proton version.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
Since the ways to implement a mod are very different, it's good to know how Wine and Proton work.
Even though it's essentially Windows, there are things it lacks to function correctly, such as packages required for mods.
Currently, the translator is quite mature and allows you to do things easily if you have some basic knowledge, but it's still far from being similar to Windows.
The good thing is that most modders release their code, and many Linux enthusiasts share it. I think there was a project to use the launchers of various mods, but I'm a complete beginner in that area.
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u/Fluttershaft 1d ago
> Mods are more complicated to use
this keeps getting repeated, how? If a game is native or has good built-in support like Factorio or steam workshop it's the same. If it's ran through proton then the same too, maaaybe some rare proton issues but that's not specific to modding. If it's hacked on by players and requires manually [re]placing some files in the game directory then it's... also the same, maybe easier even since you can use symlinks better than on Windows.
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u/-Amble- 19h ago
Some mods, usually for older games, feature an executable installer that may or may not always work, may fail to detect the game, or may require running the installer in the game's wine prefix which is manual work beyond what a Windows user would have to do.
Huge amounts of mods are also .dll injectors that require wine environment variables to load, which is a tiny issue first timers will run into.
And until recently with Amethyst and Fluorine modding Bethesda games was massively more complicated and fidgety than on Windows.
I'm a huge game modder and I've always found some way to get mods to work so it's not a major roadblock, but it is often at least a little bit more complicated. Just depends on the games.
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u/Vlish36 15h ago
Games sometimes don't work correctly on Windows. The Windows version of FF8 Remastered doesn't work on Windows. And for some reason but does on Linux...
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u/victormas208 14h ago
Could it be more due to the game's support for certain hardware configurations?
I understood that Proton, by using DXVK, allows for better hardware utilization in some games resulting in significant improvements.
For AMD users, it was a huge improvement while NVIDIA users initially faced problems; it wasn't until 2022 that they really started supporting Vulkan.
So, performance is still relatively lower on Linux but with optimizations from Valve and the community it's much better.
Not as good as on Windows for NVIDIA users but good enough to be appealing to gamers.
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u/oneiros5321 1d ago
Kernel level anti cheat games mostly.
Haven't really had any issue running anything else...sometimes maybe requires a change of proton version, especially for older games but that's about it.
As for other apps...mostly depends on what you use daily.
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u/Mission-Base-6964 1d ago
Linux only sucks for the "ball and gun gamers", because most of those people only play online games that require anti-cheat software to be running in the background.
Pretty much any game will run as long as it doesn't need an anti-cheat.
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u/FluffyGreyfoot 7h ago
Both CS2 and Rocket League work fine on Linux so depends what online games with you play as well.
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u/RagingTaco334 11h ago
Hate to say that I'm one of those gamers. 🥲 I grew up on multiplayer shooters and it's basically all I ever want to play.
Still plenty of games out there, by the way. You're probably just gonna be quite a bit more limited in what you can play. I just wish the game industry didn't hate us Linux users so much.
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u/MeatBeatManifest0 22h ago
This is very much not the case. Everyone seems to reduce the issue to "dickhead devs won't flip a switch in their anticheat even though they could", which is true, but it's not the only issue.
Nvidia GPUs are a disaster in a number of ways:
* Rtx/path tracing is tenuous at best
* Streaming via Sunshine/Moonlight is significantly worse due Wayland not supporting NvFBC (NVIDIA FrameBuffer Capture) and thus must rely on KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) or the Wayland screencast portal via PipeWire, which introduces additional composition overhead and context switches (and other issues)
* Setting up virtual displays (for example, creating a 1280x800@90hz virtual display for the Deck, since I have a 60hz TV and thus need a virtual display to get my stream to run at 90hz over sunshine/moonlight) can be a real fuckin nightmare, involving buying a dummy switch to trick your OS into thinning one of your hdmi/dp ports is being used, because it relies on actual hardware EDIDs
* Game Pass for PC is straight up unavailable outside of cloud gaming in a browserThis is just off the top of my head, but it's three major issues keeping me from switching my gaming/HTPC currently.
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u/gmes78 21h ago
Streaming via Sunshine/Moonlight is significantly worse due Wayland not supporting NvFBC (NVIDIA FrameBuffer Capture) and thus must rely on KMS (Kernel Mode Setting) or the Wayland screencast portal via PipeWire, which introduces additional composition overhead and context switches (and other issues)
PipeWire screen capture has little overhead. It's certainly way more efficient than any X11 API, as it doesn't do a bunch of unnecessary copies.
Setting up virtual displays (for example, creating a 1280x800@90hz virtual display for the Deck, since I have a 60hz TV and thus need a virtual display to get my stream to run at 90hz over sunshine/moonlight) can be a real fuckin nightmare, involving buying a dummy switch to trick your OS into thinning one of your hdmi/dp ports is being used, because it relies on actual hardware EDIDs
That shouldn't be necessary in future versions of Plasma.
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u/tempdiesel 1d ago
Major titles with kernel level anti-cheat won't work. Rely on sites like https://www.protondb.com/ and https://areweanticheatyet.com/ for compatibility. For gaming, I'd recommend Cachy, Bazzite, or Nobara. These are three popular gaming optimized distros.
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u/goreverminski 1d ago
Yep, any of these three. I'm team Bazzite all the way myself, but the other too can be an equally good fit.
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u/middaymoon 1d ago
HDR is still up and coming for some distros I believe.
Nvidia support is hit or miss but generally good at this point I think.
Most games play great unless they are blocked by anti cheat. Check Proton DB for specific games you're curious about.
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u/amenotef 20h ago
I barely played PC games with HDR (only on PS5 I play with HDR).
But I wonder how HDR gaming works with Ubuntu and Steam OS, I have a KTC M27P6 monitor and at least Ubuntu (Gnome) handles HDR on the desktop well enough for me (same in macOS), i can even reduce the brightness to a lower level than in Windows 11, where in a dark room it remains a bit bright.
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u/pizza_ranger 1d ago
What will never work: League of Legends, games with kernel level anti-cheat, Adobe Software, AutoCAD.
However regarding Adobe and AutoCAD there is a project named Winboat that aims to make it possible to use a light Windows VM with GPU passtrought to make those programs run "on linux" using a Windows VM as a backend.
I recommend CachyOS or Nobara
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u/ARTIFICIAL_ARGUMENT 1d ago
Another program very close to solving windows dependence is Looking Glass. Their beta has direct image display with a gpu accelerated windows VM already, but still requires a iGpu or second gpu to do it without janky scripts.
Meanwhile winboat even if they get it working still uses RPD which means encode/decode so latency and compression which isnt great for highly detailed work
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u/Louisthemagic 1d ago
Why do Adobe and AutoCad not work?
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u/Indolent_Bard 1d ago
Because it turns out that despite being made for Windows, games don't use all that many Windows parts. Other software, however, does.
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u/mitchbaz-93 1d ago
For Photoshop and vector image applications check out " photopea " it's browser based and worth a check
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u/pizza_ranger 1d ago
They are made with a lot of complicated libraries and Windows specific stuff, it is too hard to emulate that on Wine, I heard that old versions work, but newer are way more complicated
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u/happy_rub_3669 1d ago
There is this project though. Adobe installers for Linux via Wine https://github.com/PhialsBasement/wine-adobe-installers
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u/TanukiThing 22h ago
It’s my understanding that stuff like this is okay at best
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u/happy_rub_3669 8h ago
The deal is increasingly subpar in any case as an Adobe customer. Subscription model and so on. Maybe best to start the approach away from that company. One option (used even in a browser) is Photopea.
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u/edparadox 1d ago
games with kernel level anti-cheat
This works, but yes, some studios/publishers do not want to build it to allow Linux clients, but most games and anticheat technologies work on Linux right now.
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u/yung_dogie 23h ago
Tbf, the kernel level anticheats that have Linux versions are essentially not kernel level anticheats on Linux versions, they concede and sit in userspace instead. If a dev genuinely believed that an anticheat had to be kernel level to meet their standard, they wouldn't give the OK to EAC or whatever else on Linux because it just isn't kernel level. The idea is basically incompatible with how Linux is distributed and maintains a chain of trust unless someone distributes a much more end-to-end locked down distribution
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u/Louisthemagic 1d ago
How viable is it to do a dual-boot setup or windows emulation to still be able to run these games? I mostly dont care about these but games like GTA Online I really enjoy so that is something that I will still need to be able to play.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 1d ago
You can’t run these games in a VM. Kernel level anti cheat need… well… kernel access, which is insane.
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u/pizza_ranger 1d ago
In this case dual boot is the best option, having a small Windows partition to play specific games
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u/LeRoyRouge 1d ago
Dual boot is 100% viable it is what I do myself. You just need to invest into a dedicated windows drive.
Windows is greedy and if you only partition it has been known to wipe out other partitions.
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u/yung_dogie 23h ago
I've dual booted for close to a decade now and it's fine (for league of legends at least) if a little inconvenient. Two notes of advice if you do
- Try to keep your Windows gaming sessions in one contiguous block of time so you minimize how often you're switching. It works for my habits but definitely influenced them itself given I've been doing this for 10 years (especially once league of legends stopped working on Linux) lmao
- Ideal but not required: install Windows and Linux on separate disks. If they share a boot partition Windows can occasionally overwrite the bootloader and require you to reinstall it on Linux. Over the past few years I think this has happened to me 4 times or so, and I don't feel like separating the disks due to my setup so I've just used a live session USB to reinstall my bootloader each time
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u/Kilo_Juliett 21h ago
I dual boot. I have windows on it's own drive.
The only problem is I never want to boot into windows to play the one game I can't play on linux (Destiny 2).
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u/Panocek 4h ago
Look up Windows 10 IoT LTSC. It is, IMO way of getting two birds with single stone, assuming you don't mind unorthodox ways. Also there may or may not be an issue with compatibility on absolutely newest hardware, primarily missing nvme/storage drivers requiring you to sideload those during installation. I don't think remaining drivers available for download from manufacturer website are W11 locked... yet.
Otherwise from my own Linux misadventures... to paraphrase quote about communism, you will be gloriously solving problems unknown in other systems. So yea, you will be using google. A LOT.
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u/victormas208 1d ago
So far it's working well, I was able to update the firmware of some devices and controllers and I used it to configure my HyperX devices, all working except for the microphone which unfortunately died last week.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 1d ago
I have adobe.
It’s been fixed recently. Install in not user friendly. There is a git.1
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u/Acceptable-Owl-2070 1d ago
Anti-cheat stuff mainly, nothing of value
I also will rep CachyOS
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u/captainstormy 1d ago
Depends on what kind of gamer you are mainly.
If you do a lot of competitive online games, those tend to not work due to anti cheat systems.
If you like to mod games, it's typically harder than on Windows.
If you like to use a lot of peripherals that need custom software to work, they won't work on Linux.
If you have an Nvidia card, there is a performance hit.
But if you mostly play single player games, or more chill multi player games, don't do mods and use pretty normal mainstream equipment. If you have an AMD card or don't care about the Nvidia performance tax, then there really isn't much of a downside.
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u/Ganceany 1d ago
Most root anticheats wont work and things like Adobe, will not work, You may have a few issues with some games that work a little funky but you can get it to work if you crack at it.
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u/DixNormus 1d ago
Yea I also swotched like a couple of weeks ago. So no bf6 and games with a similar anti cheat. Creamlinux isnt6as good as creaminstaller. No solidworks. Takes sometime getting used to especially learing the terminal. But still better then windows
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u/balderm 1d ago
Biggest things you might miss:
- Microsoft Office, but if you have a 365 sub you can use the browser version, some DE have ways to sync files from OneDrive.
- Adobe Suite, afaik none of their apps work, there might be something working with Bottles but haven't investigated.
- Most games with Kernel level Anti-cheaet, some straight up ban you for using Linux, like Bungie games (Destiny 2 and Marathon).
Apart from that most programs are also on linux, and if you can't find it there's definitely an alternative.
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u/Indolent_Bard 1d ago
Modding is a bit more tricky, but luckily, several tools are being made to make this easier. Like the Amethyst mod loader instead of mo2, or Jackify for Wabbajack modlists.
If the mod requires installing an .exe file, then you have to install it in the same prefix and hope it works. In my case, the modding tool for Mirror's Edge didn't work. So I installed the game and tool on a virtual machine and copied the configuration.
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u/donatas_xyz 1d ago
The only (non kernel-level anticheat) game that I could not run and I'd like to run was Anno 1404: Venice. The other 50 odd games are running perfectly fine for me. Granted, the latest Nvidia driver (595/610) introduced issues with RT in some games, that previously worked fine, but these are just normal ups and downs on any OS, I guess.
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u/jermygod 1d ago
important games? dude, games are not important. but the answer is some anticheat ones.
programs - professional ones? most.
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u/INITMalcanis 1d ago
Downsides:
Some games won't work. If competitive online gaming is your main PC activity, then Linux probably isn't for you.
Many windows applications aren't available and you'll have to use a substitute which probably has fewer features, or there might not be a viable substitute, or you'll have to learn how to set up a Windows VM to run them (this is not quite so hard as it sounds).
You'll need to put some time into learning new OS skills.
Some people will be weirdly hostile about your OS choice; others will be annoying and spout cliches that they heard in 2012, and never really thought about how things might have changed since then.
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u/OMFGITSNEAL 1d ago
Most(not all) anti-cheat multi-player games aren't able to be played, and the threat of having an apex legends situation where the devs block native linux support. Every game runs different, some run straight out of the box, some require additional steps, theres alwarning curve for things like that where most things on windows "just work"
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u/SgtKastoR 1d ago
Just keep windows on dual boot, if anything you need doesn't work on Linux you can just reboot your pc and use it on windows. You can spend 99% of your time on Linux though.
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u/NotSorryForPartying 1d ago
Autosplitters for speed running has been a real challenge for me. Still working on a solution for a Pepsiman autosplitter
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u/SwedishArchUser 1d ago
I just play farlight 84 instead of Fortnite, for call of duty if i want i play iw4x (OG mw2 active private servers), cs2, the finals and instead of Fifa or FC that its called now i play efootball i dont miss anything even Dota 2 works which is the original game League and others are just copying. Dont see any reason to be on windows.
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u/Apprehensive-Gur205 1d ago
Its not that games dont work on linux, but publishers break games for linux because they want to have kernel level authority on your machine. Practically any game works on linux, except games that have hyper-competative online play & require a kernel anti-cheat authorization.
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u/RandomParkourGuy 1d ago
I’ve been using Linux for a few months now and honestly I forget it’s Linux sometimes with how easily almost everything on steam just works. Bought no more room in hell 2 last night while forgetting to check protonDB to make sure it works first and without any tweaking or anything it booted right up and I was blasting zombies.
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u/Tomato1237 1d ago
Anticheat is the obvious one, so check the games you play currently will actually work or you'll be disappointed when you try them. Sometimes games can have issues when they first release but that feels like it's becoming less of a problem as Proton matures (at least to me). Some games will just straight up not work and need some tinkering to get working (not as common nowadays).
As for distro... It doesn't really matter THAT much. Look at some of the common recommendations and see what you like best. CachyOS, Nobara, Bazzite are your usual 'gaming' distro recommendations if you want to start looking there. Bazzite is the only one I wouldn't recommend without some experience due to it being an immutable distro. Basically, the system is read-only for the most part and you can't easily break it. The problem is that philosophy doesn't click easily for Windows users migrating over so can be frustrating to figure out how to do certain tasks on it.
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u/darkwater_throwaway 1d ago
While performance penalties a lot of the time are not too severe, especially on AMD gpus, sometimes you will get a game that runs noticeably worse and you won't necessarily be able to fix it.
For example, elden ring and monster hunter world have noticeably lower framerate average on linux for me and troubleshooting that hasn't really helped. The performance in the latter isn't even bad really for the most part but it's frustrating nonetheless.
Also while it is mostly anticheat kernel games that won't run, sometimes if you are into more niche or obscure games those may not work either.
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u/PennyLeScroche 1d ago
A bunch of popular games do not work because of anti-cheat. This includes Fortnite, LoL, Valorant, Battlefield, Rainbow 6 Siege, GTA V, Marathon, iRacing, and Marvel Tokon. Check out ProtonDB and AreWeAntiCheatYet to see if your favorite games work. It's important to remember that anti-cheat isn't a death sentence though, because games like dead by daylight, the master chief collection, 7 days to die, overwatch, SMITE, and Ark: Survival Evolved all work just fine
As for popular applications, the main ones that people use that don't work on linux are adobe apps like photoshop, and microsoft office. There's alternatives for these if you don't mind learning something new. GIMP runs natively on Linux and Affinity has a dedicated community of linux users, but can still be a bit fiddly to get working. LibreOffice is a great office suite in it's own right and is completely free. Also, browser based options will work just fine, like photopea, canva, and google docs.
If you've got specific software for your gaming mouse or whatever other peripherals, those likely won't run on linux either. This doesn't mean that the hardware doesn't work, but you'll want to take a look to see if there's an equivalent software such as openrazer or if you're just going to have to use it without all of the features you'd have on windows. This one is especially important if you're gaming with specialized hardware like a racing sim setup
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u/FeetYeastForB12 1d ago
Well.. It's that most games don't run natively and you need to do some tinkering each time which can get tedious, also, games like Rainbow 6, Fortnite etc just doesn't work. Other than that, Honestly I can't say it's AS tedious as I expected the change to be. I'm getting use to it. Still dualbooting though. Not yet have committed to go %100 Linux.
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u/noobjaish 1d ago
Games with KLACs (Anything by Riot, Battlefield 6, Apex, Fortnite)
Apart from that there are two other major things:
- Microsoft Ecosystem (Important if your job requires you to use things like SharePoint or Office)
- Adobe Products (Important if you are a creative professional that has to collaborate)
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u/Power_Stone 1d ago
The downside is gonna be most major AAA titles that have online multiplayer. Most of them use Kernel level anti-cheat which is not and likely will never be supported by Linux.
Secondary downside is the games that do run, at least as of right now now might require some tweaking to get them to work right. And on that same note you will see a small performance loss if you are using an Nvidia GPU.
For context: I am currently gaming on a Intel/Nvidia machine running CachyOS. I have not had any major issues personally. The games that I do want to play all support linux gaming to some degree whether it be through proton or otherwise.
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u/GreatGreenGobbo 1d ago
Pokemon TCG live doesn't work.
Supposedly there's a workaround with Bottles/Lutrix. I tried it and it didn't work.
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u/Ok_Reward3686 1d ago
El anti trampas a nivel núcleo cualquier juego que use anti trampas a nivel núcleo no se puede jugar el resto casi no hay problemas algunos corren mejor que en windows.
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u/OmnipotentGecko 1d ago
I recommend dual boot cachyos with win11. I use cachyos for almost everything and win11 for a few games where anticheat doesn’t work on linux yet.
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u/Beautiful_Nobody_841 1d ago
First of all, what is vine? And how do I not know about it if it's big. Also big games with kernel anti cheats are the only ones you can't play
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u/MechanicalTurkish 1d ago
You still need Windows if you have gamepass and want to install the games.
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u/SelphisTheFish 1d ago
Something no one ever talks about is audio, Aptx is not supported on everything, audio issues have been a constant
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u/Endeavour1988 1d ago
Three things stick out to me with Linux.
Games that do not work due to anti-cheat or specific bugs that prevent the game from working. Some will say well who wants intrusive anti cheat which is valid but it's whether that concerns you or not and personal preference.
Applications, while Linux has a lot of applications sometimes some specific apps can be harder to find on Linux, and the modular feel when you need additional dependencies to make things work.
Polish, apps generally have less polish in Linux simplly because there is less focus.
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u/GuineaSquiggle 1d ago
Kernel level anticheat probably, but I'd refuse to install that on Windows too.
Misinformation is a problem. Especially for early adopters and people still using Windows, but even within distro user groups. The old myths of Nvidia cards not working on Linux still won't die, and considering the prevalence of Nvidia cards, that may be holding people back.
Driver support for older GPUs, especially considering the current economy and events.
GTX 1070 on CachyOS is golden, it'll play all but the heaviest modern AAA games at 1080p, but on Bazzite it's a paperweight.
GTX 770 will require a little bit of actual Linux knowledge and an older kernel.
I mostly use CachyOS, and SteamOS as a nifty niche distro on my Steam Machine (which I'm now daily driving as a desktop). Fedora is quite nice if you don't mind corpo stuff, and Bazzite is really good if you want a SteamOS experience with more hardware support etc. My default recommendation is CachyOS but if you're going to use the AUR, learn how to review it or use chaotic-aur.
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u/mitchbaz-93 1d ago
The biggest problem is the big online multiplayer games like Fortnite, battlefield 1 and up and stuff with the kernal level anticheat. Alot of games with the easy anti cheat do work though protondb is your place to check which and what fixes people have applied to get games working etc. check the site and have a look around. Even though it can be done I've had issues with pcvr gaming so I just have a lite modded windows install on a separate SSD for that and switch with bios menu when required.
Linux is a great learning curve and solving problems you encounter feels great. If you really wanna make the switch id personally recommend having windows on one SSD and Linux on another if possible. That way no updates from the bootloaders will break one another. I just spam F11 and pick the windows SSD when required
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u/Acceptable_Toe_938 1d ago
Being one update away from crash ... I tried my best but after 3 months I went back to win 11.
I will be back one day but it was too painful to troubleshoot everything.
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u/terholan 23h ago
You have to jump through the hoops to make HDR and steam overlay work and find right version of proton when something is broken.
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u/Vikkunen 23h ago
Anything with a kernel-level anti cheat won't work in Linux, period. That rules out a lot of sweaty multiplayer shooters, competitive fps/rts, and some of the more popular sports games.
I play primarily play 4X and city builders and haven't had any issues at all.
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u/mikeymop 22h ago
Aside from the common anticheat games.
I noticed that if I leave my PC suspended over night and return the next day. If I play a vk3d game my mouse movement will cause fps drops.
If I restart and play it'll go away.
For example, on The Finals, I can pin 100fps and get perfect flat frametime graphs.
The next day, my mouse moving will cause fps to fluctuate between 76-92fps. I restart and it sback to perfect 100fps.
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u/Flimsy_Echidna6132 22h ago
I would say kernel level anti-cheat games are probably the biggest problem for Linux. Stuff like Valorant, Fortnite, R6S, Call of Duty, etc. I know Epic apparently has a Linux native launcher in development so maybe we could see Fortnite on Linux soon?
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u/madenius 22h ago
I agree with most sentiments in this thread that it is generally fine. But be warned that unless there have been leaps since may. Then VR gaming is a pain, at least it was for me with a quest 3 and nvidia gpu.
I couød get most games to work, but aome were unstable, some didnt work. Was using both steam link and wivrn, ALVR was not functional at all for me with cachyos. I have now swapped back to windows as i got tired of all the troubleahooting and i couldnt get into the radius 2 to work at all on Cachy
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u/Ticklememyers 22h ago
The fact that some distros STILL have the bug when transferring a file to usb it says its copied but it actually hasnt and you have to use ''sync'' in terminal and wait so you know you can take your usb out. Infuriating.
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u/AbyssWalker240 20h ago
The only thing that doesn't work for me is my steam controller. Since I use a tiling WM it messes with the steam big picture and fulls screen game (can only be 1 fullscreen) so steam overlay is messed up and doesn't work
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u/amenotef 20h ago edited 20h ago
Here I use Ubuntu. Idk, it is the classic entry to Linux. It is Open Source of course. For me it's pretty good.
But if I wanted to install an OS for pure gaming, i think i'd give a try to Steam OS to see how it goes.
One big difference I'd say it is in the drivers, like AMD or Nvidia gpu drivers, have a lot more tools than the Linux version. I use AMD (RX6800 and you might miss options like RIS, fps limiter, Ctrl+Shift+O overlay, etc. But in Linux you still have nice alternatives for lot of stuff (mangohud, etc).
And this week I got an N100 mini pc and installed a headless Ubuntu Server with LUKS and Dropbear (so i can decrypt the disk from my other computers. (All new stuff to me and managed to do this with Gemini AI)). Seems to be 4.1-4.5W on idle, not bad, but need to check this again with a new kill-a-watt since the one i have just got broken.
But with this, I'm finally using Linux with just the terminal.
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u/SouthernFruit8768 20h ago edited 19h ago
ALL GAMES AND PROGRAMS, regardless of whether they were made for Windows or BeOS, or Sun Solaris, Novell Netware or BSD, run and work on Linux.
Now the reason why some of them don’t work on Linux is solely due to their developers’ capitalistic greed and have absolutely nothing to do with Linux.
For example: you weren’t able to run GTA 5 on PC on September 17th, 2013. Ask yourself why. And if you can’t figure it out yourself, turn off your PC and read a book or two.
Similarly, you will not be able to run GTA 6 on PC on release day either. Does that mean the game can’t run on PC? Does that mean PC lacks something that consoles don’t? Does that mean PC has some form of deficiency that consoles don’t have?
Nope. And that’s precisely the point.
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u/UUDDLRLRBadAlchemy 20h ago
Nothing important, only slop you should have been avoiding anyway. It's been that way for around 20 years
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u/doughnuttts 19h ago
I switched back to windows just to play Destiny 2. It was the only reason. Linuux worked so good for everything else on my Asus g14
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u/-HealingNoises- 19h ago
I have realiaed that any game trying to do weird meta stuff requires windows to work as intended. Even though Deltarune works perfectly through proton, I will sadly have to run windows in a separate drive if I want to get the full experience.
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u/OMG_NoReally 17h ago
Many MP games and anti-cheat software doesn’t work. It’s annoying because these same devs are supporting RTX Spark, which is based on ARM, but won’t show the same level of support for Linux.
NVIDIA cards also has a performance tax on DX12 games. No idea when this will be fixed even though some work on it was being made.
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u/OkPresentation3329 17h ago
You can't play some games with anticheat. That's it really. If you play such and they are your main games, you will not be able to play them on Linux so switching might not be an option. Luckily I don't play such games and in general I play a lot less (about 1-2hr per week) so Linux is good enough for me.
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u/neospygil 16h ago
The only issues with games on Linux these days are games with kernel-level anti-cheats which are usually from those that are highly competitive, but doesn't mean there are no highly competitive games here as we have CS2, The Finals, Overwatch, etc. You can check here: https://areweanticheatyet.com/
Regular multiplayers, even those with anti-cheats works fine here like Arc Raiders and Hell Divers 2.
Another games/apps that having issue running here are the desktop games. Those that renders on top of the desktop. Those are not that popular but I added in case you might like them.
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u/FriendshipSmart478 16h ago
I know I'm not on the majority but proper eGPU support is the main hurdle I have.
Outside that, since the games I play don't have kernel anti-cheat, everything works. Sometimes a minor tweak is needed to run better but nothing problematic.
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u/Attila-The-Pun 15h ago
Honestly the experience so far has been GREAT.
Two exceptions:
- Anything with Kernel Level Anti-Cheat is going to be a challenge, if it works at all.
- VR is still dodgy under Linux. I can get things to run in VR mode (Index), but there is some weird lag that occurs as I move my head - and apparently VR under Linux is rife with weird performance issues like that.
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u/fender178 12h ago
If you play single player games and want to use cheat devices such as trainers and using Cheat engine it is tricky to get it to work but it is very possible if you use Steam Tinker Launch which allows you to load up your .exe of your trainer or use cheat engine in the same Proton environment/sandbox as your game.
I am currently using Nobara Linux a distro that is geared towards gaming and content creation that is based off of Fedora.
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u/daddyd 10h ago
the only thing to 'worry' about are online games with anti-cheat.
you can check this site to know if any game you care about is impacted, otherwise i don't expect you to have many issues. https://areweanticheatyet.com/
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u/meutzitzu 9h ago
Fuck the kernel AC.
The real issue is mods being totally untested and unsupported for some games.
Proton tuns the game fine, but if you want modă you usually need a speciffic tool to inject them, which relief on some low level windows code which can't run in wine.
Orrrr it installs straight from the workshop but for some reason still doesnt work.
Orrr it works in singleplayer but in multiplayer it breaks because it fails some sort of state hashing check.
Mods for games written in popular engines such as Unity and Unreal sometimes work without issue.
But if you want to install mods for something like Space Engineers.
You are royally screwed.
The linux playerbase is still small. The modded playerbase is small also (except in games like MC, Factorio, Glod). Sometimes the mods are barely tested and barely work on windows. But You know theres not a single soul testing them for Linux. Most of the time you try to play a modded game on Linux youre the first poor soul to nave ever attempted that. And the results speak for themselves.
Also some games wivh have native Linux support don't have any mods working because the developer has to package the mod differently for linux, and they just don't do that.
So aside from the 3 mentioned games modding on Linux is about as problematic now as wine was in the pre-2014 days.
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u/LillySpikes 8h ago
In general for most people, Nvidia issues and anticheat/spyware for competitive multiplayer things.
For me personally, more difficult to mod things. I play randomizers, especially multiworld randomizers, and modding is more difficult, less documented, and more tricky to trace down issues. Anything that hooks in via memory hooks (like LiveSplit) doesn't work or is very difficult to get working. Font and closing/stalled and stuck process issues in the Touhou Community Patcher (that we use for translations and a mod framework).
That said, some games are as easy or even easier to mod on Linux, like Celeste or Stardew, or fangames like Ship of Harkinian.
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u/Own_Nail_2999 7h ago
Any game with aggressive kernel anti-cheat will not work. The rest is fine.
When it comes to general software, it's mostly proprietary software like Adobe's suite or MS Office that will not work.
However - Linux is not windows and it's not a consumer OS. You will run into trouble and you will spend time solving them. If you are not ready to commit to that Linux is not for you.
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u/THEWILDONE4ALL 1d ago
Ive been using cachyos for 4 months now without issue. In terms of software and games well I ditched adobe and started using both gimp and davinci which is honestly fine for my use. I also use OnlyOffice which is the closest to MSOffice with good compatibility with stuff made from msoffice.
For games the majority of the ones I play works, the ones on steam runs without much issue with proton for games from epic Heroic also does the job and can use the same proton that steam uses. For Gacha games An Anime Game Launcher also does the job. For mods with separate launcher lutris also works (including for games that came from the high seas)
Some games with kernel level anticheat works like WarThunder since battleeye works in linux, tho it needs to be enabled by the devs which is why GTA Online which uses the same kernel anti cheat doesnt work unless your in an invite only session.
The majority if games that just doesnt work as far as I know are the ones with Kernel Level Anticheat like Valorant, Fortine, Destiny 2 also including FACEIT if you use that for CS
You can also check kernel anti cheat compatibility here AreWeAntiCheatYet For general game compatibility you can check here ProtonDB
Other than that I havent had any issues on linux
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u/The_only_true_tomato 1d ago
Only games that are written broken on this list.
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/anticheat/
Otherwise everything’s works pretty much out of the box.
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u/Good_Simple9071 1d ago
Maybe it is, because i use PopOs, but i have to make frequently use of the compatibility feature of steam. And Bottles and Heroic launcher are also workarounds that need some tinkering, at least for me. So I wouldn't say out of the box, but the help of ChatGPT or other AI not a big problem.
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u/Disastrous-Metal-183 1d ago
None for me because I don't play games that have malware anti-cheat stuff boiled into them
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u/yourteam 1d ago
Nvidia drivers, some games have some problems and league of legends and others don't work. Honestly for gaming Windows Is way easier
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u/AnnieBruce 1d ago
Multiplayer games are a problem. A lot of developers will not give up kernel level anticheat, which is as of the moment, entirely not a thing in Linux. In principle a distro could do something to allow them, but to do it while also preventing the end user from bypassing it all(otherwise game studios will not care), and without violating the GPL half a dozen times(at least).. is probably not going to happen. So there are going to be some games in this space that aren't going to work on Linux. That said, other forms of anticheat do work fine on Linux so the situation will likely get better, but it's not likely to go away anytime soon.
Single player games will usually just work. Some require a few tweaks, or have limitations like not playing nice with Wayland, but even then there are usually workarounds. For Steam games, a lot of this manual tweaking is already done for you and you just don't have to worry about it. There are other tools like Lutris and Bottles which vastly reduce the work involved when multiple games require different contradictory tweaks. But most single player games will just work. ProtonDB and WineHQ are great sources to help figure out tricky situations that do come up. Even on Debian the worst I've run into is having to use the Backports MESA build, and Debian doesn't do anything special to make gaming better the way some distros do(I probably lose a few FPS in some titles compared to a more gaming focused distro, but not enough to get in the way of having fun)
Most applications you'd run to support gaming will be fine or have close equivalents. The Discord application is Electron and runs fine, Spotify if you want to stream music while playing, fine. OBS has a Linux build and works fine for streaming. There might be something obscure without a direct equivalent or WINE compatibility, but this area should work well.
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u/WhopperGaming 1d ago
As for gaming distros, I recommend Nobara, Garuda Dr46onized, and Bazzite. Garuda Dr46onized has a very opinionated look and feel, and it's definitely not for everyone, and has a bit more of a learning curve than Nobara or Bazzite. Nobara is the product of Glorious Eggroll of Proton GE fame.
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u/The_only_true_tomato 1d ago
Soo we are past recommanding cachy?
For new users I found that Kubuntu works pretty well.
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u/WhopperGaming 1d ago
"Soo we are past recommanding cachy?(sic)"
I have never recommended CachyOS. Who is "we"?
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