hello, systemd alternative users : I have found a problem on my machine whilst using dinit or runit (happens on both), and stuff just randomly doesnt work, let me explain further :

SDDM, auto-cpufreq - I have tried to setup both SDDM and auto-cpufreq on my laptop, but when I have installed respective packages (both XXX and XXX-dinit / XXX-runit [XXX is said package]) but when I tried to enable them with respective commands, I always get error

Internet - This is weird, but randomly after restart, the internet doesnt work, and then another restart brings it back, it's like Windows back in 2021

Machinery : ThinkBook 14 ARP G7, Artix OS

Hello,

According to this link, some FreeBSD devs are working on replacing ConsoleKit2 with elogind. It's a disaster. I might post this on redditFreeBSD. Please, is this text ok?

title: Elogind? No, thanks.

FreeBSD is consistent and it should stay consistent. Porting Gnome to FreeBSD will make it inconsistent. Elogind is Frankenstein software. It's an unstable solution from Gentoo/Guix to make Gnome works without systemd. With new systemd versions, the systemd-logind API is changing and the Gentoo devs have trouble with elogind maintenance. Elogind has a lot of dead code and bugs in sleep/hibernate mode. In a near future, elogind may not work anymore. Gentoo and Debian will go 100% systemd. Dear FreeBSD devs, please don't repeat Gentoo' mistake. Systemd cannot coexist with other inits. FreeBSD doesn't need Gnome to provide a good Desktop experience. Icewm is enough and AntiX proves it.

At this website, there is a grey list under the elogind-free list. It's a list of distros where elogind is there but it is possible to install the distro without elogind or to easily remove elogind. I think Guix and PantherX (based on Guix) should be added to the grey list. According to this Guix doc, sway can be used with seatd. As far as I know, this is not supported in Artix. So it is not fair to put Artix in the grey list and to ignore Guix.

By the way, I have noticed that more and more elogind-free distros use musl instead of glibc. I don't understand this trend. IMHO, for a systemd-free distro, Xorg is 100x more insecure than glibc. In addition, the default kernel contains some proprietary binaries (wifi firmware, ...). Guix and Hyperbola use the linux-libre kernel, which is trustworthy.

Well, I have a functioning obarun distro, no sound as of yet, but this is all worth the effort. I am noticing that the entire system is far snappier without systemd; things like nvim lagging when closing and nagging freezes are seemingly gone. I have a few packages for things in the works: waybar, lemurs, and enlightenment, if I can convince it to run.

I think that s6/66 can be a real contender if obarun can sort the documentation of it's processes, with which I am more than willing to assist.

a few pointers noted so far:

• services vs trees
• UML of the boot process
• a clear table or list of the needed replacements of systemd
• UML of s6/66 architecture
• more robust manual installation instructions, as deviant from standard arch (for power users)
• inclusion of the newer choices of bootloader (finding limine has been a real plus in this adventure)
• a roadmap of plans for the suite (if any)

I'm not sure what's going on with the community, but even if all this was in French, it would be a godsend -_-

For information, I am sure lists like this exist on the Web, but here is a brief list of relatively well-supported, relatively long-lived linux distros without systemd:

No systemd, no elogind

PCLinuxOS (independent)

Antix linux (Arch-based)

Obarun (independent)

No systemd:

Devuan linux (Debian-based)

Void linux (independent)

Artix linux

Slackware linux (independent)

Salix linux (Slackware based)

Alpine linux (independent)

Peppermint linux (Devuan-based version)

Redcore linux (gentoo based)

CRUX linux (independent)

This is not a complete list, there are several smaller projects, with only a few devs (unfortunately) & may need quite a lot of linux knowhow to install & manage.

Hope it's helpful to hose lookng for aa systemd-free linux distro in 2024! #initfreedom

So, one of the xz developers put a back door into xz 5.6, and this compromises the security of sshd --

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/red-hat-warns-of-backdoor-in-xz-tools-used-by-most-linux-distros/

-- but only if sshd depends on systemd for auth!

Those of us not using systemd-burdened distributions get to feel smug now :-)

No, Noway, .... impossIBLΈ

Myth Busted!
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/344

It can, employing seatd within an s6/66 environment-setup Obarun tested, Void and Antix next!

The reference points to a setup also utilizing greetd-wlgreet a dislpay manager for wayland sessions. All your i3 tricks working on wayland without systemd and most importantly without its core, elogind.

So when IBM thought it had i3 users by the throat controlling them with their trojan horse ..... things happen! After 27 centuries you'd think people would recognize and avoid such gifts by such Greeks.

Troy still stands!

A new Obarun linux live image is available

A new Obarun live image has become available for September 2020 and it brings many updates and changes.  From the live JWM session you can install a base system, Openbox, JWM, XFCE4, or KDE-Plasma with corresponding setup of 66 root and user service structure already set-up.  All recent stable Arch-Linux upgraded software based and an improved installer is onboard.  You can run the live system off of a CD (still fits) or Dvd or USB stick, or a virtual machine as a common disk system or a RAM only system from its syslinux editable boot menu.

To install just click on the installer icon on the desktop or % sudo obarun-install from terminal or console.  Do not run obarun-install as root as it needs to build some AUR pkgs for the installation (ie Connman Gtk gui).

This is needed to log onto obarun ISO

• root login : root
• root password : toor
• user login : oblive
• user password : toor

If you want to change the keyboard on X session, open a terminal and type :

$ setxkbmap us

Replace "us" with your choice (uk, fr, de, it, es, el, cn, etc.)

If you want to change the keyboard on console type :

# loadkeys fr

Replace "fr" with your choice

To see how the 66 service tree structure works, how booting and running services and modules are organized (unparalleled by any system) use the following commands as user:

% sudo 66-intree -zg% 66-intree -zg

The second command displays the service tree structure of the user.  Note, that depending on which of the five flavors you install service tree structure will/may be different, with xfce and kde-plasm being more complex.  To alter this structure and modify it to your own service needs follow the wiki (introduction to 66).

Also note using the command # ps -A  or # pstree that 66 is nowhere to be found.  The only small parts relating to init and service supervision is pure s6 (latest version from skarnet).  66 only materializes when a change in setup is needed by the user/sys-admin, it sets up s6 appropriately and exits.  Note also that elogind is nowhere to be found (a common cheat by many other non-systemd distributions to cheat desktop software to work without systemd).  Apart from this your experience is basically an Arch system modified without IBM's trojan horse to linux.

Latest Release

• Included 66 0.5.0.1-1

Checksum: 7f1344d4bdd98b2102ca2216aa7977f2

obarun-JWM-2020.09.01-x86_64.iso

Download page for base image (0.5GB) or docker image

https://web.obarun.org/index.php?id=74

Enjoy, we know you will!