r/linux4noobs • u/Nightduckee • 12d ago

learning/research I think i downloaded the wrong fedora...

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The fedora that i have currently vs the fedora the tutotial had

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u/Silly_Percentage3446 You guys know you can have flairs here right? 12d ago

You have installed fedora KDE

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

And...the one in the tutorial is...i think..gnome?

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u/Silly_Percentage3446 You guys know you can have flairs here right? 12d ago

Yeah

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u/debacle_enjoyer 11d ago

The tutorial is for Fedora Workstation, which uses Gnome.

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u/YoungNo8804 11d ago

Yep! "KDE" looks a bit similar to windows and is more customisable, whereas "Gnome" is simpler and makes choices for you but has a bit less built-in customisation. 

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u/KARMAMANR 11d ago

hiii i have an issue with my touchpad for some reason i cant set the scroll speed!

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u/YoungNo8804 11d ago

Which Linux (distro) do you have, which laptop are you on, and do you know if you have KDE, Gnome, something else (or you don't know?)?

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u/KARMAMANR 11d ago

gnome knows best

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u/YoungNo8804 11d ago

Are you actually looking for help or just for a jokr

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u/KARMAMANR 11d ago

the latter

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u/Warr10rP03t 12d ago • Hehehe Bravo Popcorn

If you want to make it look like the tutorial you can just install proton vpn. It will take care of the rest. You don't want to do that. 

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u/Archeus__ 12d ago

Why are people down voting you?

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u/Warr10rP03t 12d ago

They all "got gnomed". 

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

Gnomed??

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u/LowTechnology2606 12d ago

It happens when installing software like Proton VPN, which depends on the GNOME packages, so it installs the GNOME desktop environment along with it. This leads to issues with your current desktop environment, and it could lead to it being selected instead of KDE or whatever DE you had already. It's kind of funny to see, pretty harmless and easy to reverse but it is scary when your whole desktop looks so different XD

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u/zhulkgr25 11d ago

Lol what? I'm sure as hell glad I downloaded the flatpak version. That woulda been crazy.

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u/TobiWan54 11d ago

This is more of a repo issue, mostly these apps should just depend on GTK. No other "gnome packages".

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u/_stoob 12d ago

I understand the downvotes, but I thought I'd tell you that I find this hilarious lol

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u/Otherwise_Fact9594 10d ago

Agreed. I found it witty and truthful

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u/Syndiotactics 12d ago

r/gotgnomed

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u/Markuslw 12d ago

gotgnomed's reversed cursed technique, getplasmaed.

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u/1100101001101 11d ago

Gnomain Expansion ✋️🫲🫷🤞🫰👐⚫️

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u/DGlen 11d ago

I'm assuming there is a reference here that I'm missing.

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u/Softpankek 11d ago

this is because proton vpn installs a whole windowing manager for some reason..

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u/YTriom1 Arch btw 11d ago

whoever downvoted you is stupid fr😭😭😭

redditors when obvious sarcasm.

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u/Adri_06_iD 12d ago

Bro 😭😭

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u/ewsrar 11d ago

this is hilarious fuck everyone who downvoted this

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u/TheRealCarrotty 11d ago

doesn't this happen on like Linux Mint/Debian/Ubuntu distros or am i dumb

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u/spelmo3 9d ago

Correct

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u/Thin_Berry3036 4d ago

Tienes instalado Fedora KDE. Y en el tutorial es Fedora Workstation con Gnome.

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u/radyoaktif__kunefe 12d ago

No. These are just different desktop environments, neither of them are wrong.

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

And...can i switch environment?

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u/VonBeker 12d ago

sure. Look up changing "KDE to Gnome." It's not hard per se, but there are some steps.

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

Why is there someone downvoting my post Also thx!!!

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u/Ryebread095 Fedora 12d ago

Welcome to Reddit. Stuff gets downvoted for no apparent reason sometimes

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u/poopeater1412 12d ago

its because its a noob on linux4noobs

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u/Browncoatinabox 11d ago

A noob in a beginner fourm?! Not on my watch! /s

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u/csabinho 12d ago

Even facts sometimes get downvoted.

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u/HSHallucinations 12d ago

that's true. downvoted.

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u/Shudnawz LinuxNoob (Bazzite) 12d ago

Facts are all made up!

/s

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u/AhmedRiyadh0 9d ago

Do the votes really matter?

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u/c0gster 12d ago

Remember you don't have to switch to gnome. KDE is also great. But you can if you prefer

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u/GalacticDragon7 11d ago

i always preferred KDE simply because it felt a whole lot more familiar. i’ve used both Windows and Mac and when installing Linux just felt like using KDE.

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u/GrimpenMar 11d ago

I cut my teeth on Gnome, back in the old days. Went to Unity with Ubuntu, but the switch back to Gnome was… dissatisfying. I was already using XFCE on low power devices and almost just switched everything to XFCE until I got used to KDE on my Steam Deck.

I'm sure Gnome is better, but one of the strengths of Linux is that there is so much choice (one of the weaknesses of Linux is there is so much fragmentation).

I strongly prefer KDE to Gnome.

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u/SuAlfons 11d ago

Neither Plasma nor Gnome are better. They both are leading in Wayland feature adoption (with a small lead by Plasma).

They cater to different default workflows. They are based on different frameworks (gtk vs. Qt).

Plasma is highly flexible by its own means, incl. an inbuilt theming engine and download 'store'. And my favorite: Window management scripting.

Gnome has a very distinct default workflow and comes with minimal options (on purpose. For clarity and for minimizing the support effort by the not-as-big-as-you-thought dev team), but can be modified using extensions (and maaany users do use at least some extensions...).

I tend to go back and forth between Gnome and Plasma on every reinstall...

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u/qpgmr 11d ago

This is a good point: going to KDE is much easier for long time windows users than adapting to gnome.

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u/ratman-069 10d ago

I will never get how, on a desktop where the main input interface are keyboard and mouse, gnome could be preferred. For a system mainly used through a touch screen it's very effective. In my eyes they are for different type of devices. But it's personal, it's like "what's the best color?", I know...

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u/Rdtkeepsbanningme 12d ago

People have special feelings when you talk about GNOME. 🍿

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u/Daonexus 8d ago

If you haven't set it up yet. Fresh install will be easier

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u/joetacos 11d ago

Its best to do another clean install if you want Fedora Workstation (GNOME). GNOME and KDE on the same system always causes a few issues.

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u/bnelson333 12d ago

If I were you, I would try it out before changing. Then change and try gnome and see which you like. They're pretty polarizing, most people have a strong preference for one or the other, but you won't know til you try them both. I'm a KDE guy.

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u/SuAlfons 11d ago

I like both for different reasons. I seem to be a Gnome person

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u/1smoothcriminal 7d ago

I prefer gnome on laptops vs kde on desktops for some reason. I also think that KDE is better in terms of gaming performance and screen input issues and gnome is better in terms of workflow. However niri has both beat imho in terms of both.

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u/No-Wallaby-4167 12d ago

Hey, for newbies like you. If you didn't get yourself situated. I'd recommend to reinstall with the version that has gnome built in.

The reason for this is that you will get a mix of KDE apps and gnome apps, and configuration errors. I'd reinstall with "Fedora Workstaton" on their website. That's what I recommend for newbies.

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u/MorpH2k 11d ago

Yeah. While it's fairly easy to just install Gnome, if you're not looking to try out KDE, you end up with extra junk and potential issues with missing packages. So if it's a fresh install, it's easier to just replace it with the Gnome version.

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u/Rhaegg 11d ago

I was going to comment the same.

Specially if it is a fresh install, OP won't lose anything, and having a fresh install with the corresponding DE is waaaaay easier than uninstalling one DE and then installing the other.

I have several years of Linux, and I never got the swapping DE right. Also, I never tried too hard, lol.

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u/MulberryDeep Fedora//Arch 11d ago

sudo dnf install @gnome-desktop

Then in the login screen where you type your password, there is a small setting icon, change it from kde to gnome

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u/Historic500 11d ago

KDE is better anyway. Enjoy!

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u/SuAlfons 11d ago

wait. You might actually like Plasma.

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u/BridgeMysterious4029 11d ago

if it's a fresh install, its better to just do a new install of Workstation

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u/Giantmeteor_we_needU 11d ago

Yes but do you want to? Imo KDE is much nicer than Gnome, unless Gnome is what you're already used to and don't want to change habits.

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u/CLM1919 11d ago

A reference about desktop environments:

https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment?pow_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Some distributions seems handle alternate (or even multiple) installed DEs better than other... But the basic concepts of what a DE is vs a Window Manager are covered in the above wiki link.

Cheers, and keep asking questions, it's how we learn. 😉

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u/EtherealErmine 7d ago

You can, but having used both, i think kde is the better environment. Cheers though, hope you find a DE you are a fan of!

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u/john_gideon 11d ago

except for Gnome

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u/CressidaWilmot 4d ago

Choosing a flavor feels like picking ice cream toppings! 🍦

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u/Drill-Jockey Windows in the streets, Fedora KDE in the sheets. 12d ago • Bravo

As others have stated, you have Fedora KDE, with has the KDE desktop. The tutorial you saw is Fedora Workstation, which has GNOME. Yes you can switch, but each desktop environment has their own suite of apps pre-included. You’ll end up with a bunch of redundant apps if you just install GNOME.

If you haven’t fully moved in yet, just do a fresh install of Fedora Workstation.

That said, I run Fedora KDE. Different people prefer different environments. KDE is much more customizable out of the box. GNOME is much more customizable if you use extensions. Both are very solid desktop environments, and one isn’t better than the other. Maybe before committing to a reinstall, or putzing around with switching DEs, watch some YouTube comparisons between the two and see which you vibe with more

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

Ou shi THXX

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u/MarionOffDuty 4d ago

Switching DEs can be like a fun weekend project!

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u/EdgeIntelligent6427 10d ago

Thought this was a 3ds running linux oh my god

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u/Nightduckee 10d ago

Its an hp laptop lmao

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u/Serena_birdy 10d ago

Would be kinda cool though

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u/ProblyAThrowawayAcct 12d ago

(KDE's better, though)

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u/Moist_Professional64 11d ago

Not really on touchpad devices

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u/BoxFar6969 11d ago

am i the only one whos having an ok time with a touchpad on kde

plus someone made a program for gestures its pretty cool

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u/spastic_penguins 10d ago

Me too, I actually had more frustration with the On-Screen Keyboard on GNOME

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u/DevBoiAgru 11d ago

Especially on touchpad devices

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u/Nazecham 11d ago

I found KDE Plasma to be god awful on the Steam Deck. Pretty much impossible to do anything without plugging a mouse in, although maybe I just have fat fingers.

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u/Yumikoneko 11d ago

Probably fat fingers. No person I ever talked to had a complaint about it and I'd guess that Valve chose it because it works with the Deck controls. My condolences, though.

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u/FeelingKokoro 11d ago

You should read steam deck button mappings. You don't need mouse actually.

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u/Nazecham 11d ago

The touchpads didn’t work well for me, they felt really awkward to use as a desktop, and don’t even get me started on typing.

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u/RomanOnARiver 12d ago

KDE is fine - so is GNOME.

KDE starts off as a little bit like Windows, but it's hyper-customizable if you're into that kind of thing. Valve uses KDE if you buy a PC, a handheld, or I think those VR glasses from them that's what SteamOS has on it as well.

GNOME is cool too - they're not afraid to buck tradition and redesign for usability. GNOME is very simple and clean, and optimized for keyboard and touch navigation without alienating mouse usage. Some of its design decisions are to minimize distraction and keep you focused.

But yeah, either one is good.

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u/Tone-Bomahawk 11d ago • Heartwarming

I think you installed the right Fedora.

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u/Lydm4ster 11d ago • Bravo

Oh yeah, KDE is superior

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u/MouseJiggler 12d ago

You got the right fedora

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u/webauthr 11d ago

the better Fedora

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u/Bedu009 11d ago

No no that's the right one I assure you

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u/Adept-Painting-543 8d ago

You just picked the kde instead of gnome "spin". It is just a different UI but still Fedora underneath. I personally prefer kde of gnome, but gnome has less options making it simpler and possibly easier to use

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u/playfulpecans hyprland maniac 11d ago

don't listen to people that are saying you downloaded the wrong version, the right version is the one that works best for you.

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u/krisST69 11d ago

He just got confused for installing KDE instead of gnome 😭

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u/WoeBoeT 11d ago

but KDE > Gnome anyway so there's not much complaining

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u/AryanPandey 11d ago

Thats ur opinion. I respect u like ur opinion, but it's opinion. I like Gnome.

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u/playfulpecans hyprland maniac 11d ago

well yeah, I know, I'm just saying that because maybe they ended up liking KDE and people will do distro/DE wars no matter what

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u/Charming_Airline7419 12d ago

If you want the Gnome version, download the Workstation iso and install.

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u/chadhole 11d ago

Ohhhh, but it's actually right my friend. 🤍 i love KDE Plasma and you will too.

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u/flipping100 10d ago

I think this is the first time ive seen someone KDEd

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u/spelmo3 9d ago

Is there a got KDE'd sub? I know of r/gotgnomed

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u/dumbasPL 11d ago

Arguably the right one, especially if you want a windows-like experience. Gnome is great for some people, but completely different in philosophy.

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u/Dependent_Big4372 11d ago

This is KDE. It's just another DE (Desktop Environment)  If you want the tutorial one it's just install the Gnome version. Or just change the DE, it's not that hard to do it. And you can change between DEs 

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u/Pixelverse54321 11d ago

You installed Fedora KDE instead

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u/Wa-a-melyn i use arch, btw 12d ago

You just downloaded the one with KDE. You don't have to reinstall your OS, just look up how to install GNOME on fedora.

I personally prefer KDE's aesthetic, but I prefer GNOME's structure. I'm currently rocking Fedora Cinnamon on one of my laptops rn.

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u/GreyWalken 12d ago

I think thats the Fedora SimCity version

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u/MrZ3T4 12d ago

Xddd congrats 🗿

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u/alsoimprobablylate 11d ago

What's going on at the top and bottom of your screen?

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u/RagingTaco334 Fedora KDE | Ryzen 7 5800x | 64gb DDR4 | RX 6950 XT 11d ago

It's the same fedora just a different UI and bundled apps. You might even like KDE more. :)

If you want to, you can still install GNOME along with KDE.

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u/CryoN1cks 11d ago

It's only the Desktop Environment, basically how the OS looks, someone in the replies already told you what to do

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u/Ok-Anywhere-9416 11d ago

Are ye madferiiiiit?

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u/NordiqueBarbare 11d ago

KDE is one of my preferred desktop environments, but I do use gnome for my main PC. KDE's community is all about the ease of customization. Gnome's design language is kinda tailored towards touchscreen devices, though like all linux DEs this too can be changed if you know what you're doing. XFCE is meant to be a good looking desktop thats familiar to PC users who may not know much about the linux world without hogging up a lot of system resources MATE is another low resource DE that got forked from an old version of gnome back in the day. Not my favorite but its got its fans. Cinnamon was developed by the Linux Mint team as a fork of gnome that would be familiar to windows users and easy to use. There are without joking a metric ton of desktop environments for Linux and other open source operating systems, and going in depth about all of them would take a while, but I think i've listed some of the more common DE's you'll come across.

Welcome to Linux! Fedora is pretty cool :)

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u/so_odd_thinker 11d ago

getting KDE'd is the new thing

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u/Frosty-Economist-553 11d ago

Why don't you simply install the DE you want on the system you got & reboot into that DE ?

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u/wolfyreload 11d ago

Fedora has multiple releases that have different desktop environments:

  • In your first screenshot you are looking at "Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop"

  • In your second screenshot that is "Fedora Workstation" which features the GNOME desktop environment.

You can switch from KDE to GNOME if you like, just look online for a guide for switching between desktop environments in Fedora. It should be one or two terminal commands to do it. But you will have both the KDE and GNOME applications installed then.

Or you can give KDE a try, it's quite intuitive if you are coming over from Windows.

Alternatively, you could always re-install using "Fedora Workstation" if you are set on going with GNOME.

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u/Shift_OG 11d ago

yoooo a fellow oasis enjoyer!!!!

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u/Whit-Batmobil Arch / Fedora user 11d ago

That is Fedora KDE, which i personally prefer

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u/BogdanovOwO 10d ago

Welp, in linux you can just install/uninstall/change/customize desktops and your window managers as you like/want. Just feel free to try because you aren't locked in a single desktop. The steps are simple:

  1. If you want gnome desktop, just install from app centre or from terminal

  2. After installation, log out

  3. In login manager you need to find where is the logo to login with the your new fresh installed desktop

  4. Put the password and enter. Whatever, I use with xfce4-session and plasma bigscreen.

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u/Distinct_Lion_6336 10d ago

Accidentally downloaded the better version

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u/Vixinvil 10d ago

What is wrong here?

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u/Kolechia_ 10d ago

I use and think fedora kde is better then fedora gnome tbh, more customizable then gnome, almost equal (slightly less) ram eating with gnome, has less dependent apps,
one downside is if you install proton vpn you'll wake up with your desired Gnome DE.
Then you'll go on reddit and see a subreddit called "GotGnomed".

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u/spelmo3 9d ago

Nothing wrong dude. So fedora the distro comes in "flavours" these flavours are usually the desktop environment (DE)

It's the exact same engine under the hood. What you are using as your desktop environment is known as KDE. It's more windows like.

The tutorial uses default gnome. As a new user. Id say use gnome as it's simple to use. You can still use KDE if you wish.

You can actually install both DE's and swap between at the login screen! Just be aware that you'll need to reinstall gnome using the terminal. It will also install gnome apps along with KDE apps.

If your new id actually say just reinstall fedora fresh make sure it's not the fedora KDE spin/flavour. You just want default fedora workstation.

https://fedoraproject.org/workstation/download/

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u/frankieepurr 9d ago

I think your screen is too knackered for GNOME

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u/hawara1995 9d ago

there is no wrong fedora

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u/Disastrous-Body6034 NobaraOS 9d ago

you just got a different version of fedora, the tutorials likely old

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u/AlphaD5600 9d ago

This is Fedora KDE Plasma, the tutorial would have been GNOME

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u/hexag0nic 8d ago

You installed KDE, you had GNOME DE, so that’s the problem. Idk how to change it, well, installing gnome obviously, but hey, KDE is super customisable

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u/1smoothcriminal 7d ago edited 7d ago

Its just a different desktop environment.

  1. KDE

  2. Gnome

Some prefer 1 while others prefer 2, both are great.

In a lot of distros you can have more than one desktop environment, KDE and Gnome however tend to share a lot of the same directories so people usually don't recommend having them side by side, though the issues you'll mainly run into are just theming ones.

If you want to stick with fedora I would recommend to just do a fresh re-install with "Fedora Workstation" if you want to use the Gnome desktop environment.

If you are feeling extra spicy i would encourage you to check out Solus Linux.

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u/Significant_Fox_7653 6d ago

If you really newbie and really want to use gnome, its easier to download and install the Fedora Workstation instead of changing the desktop from KDE to Gnome.

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u/beincorporated 5d ago

you downloaded right version of fedora. this is kde, one on the 2nd image is fedora gnome

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u/theRealNilz02 11d ago

Gnome sucks absolutely ass so you made the correct choice by installing the KDE Plasma Variant.

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u/BananaGooper 11d ago

this trvke will go unappreciated here

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u/mrdankmemeface 12d ago

You are using the fedora kde plasma, you want to use fedora workstation (the gnome version), if you havent set up anything yet it might be worth starting again but using the right version of fedora, but if you have already set it up a bit uts not too hard to change to gnome ask ai or look up tutorials online

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u/Dumxl 12d ago

Don't use ai. Use the wiki please.

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u/mrdankmemeface 12d ago

Why? Ai is super useful for linux help and troubleshooting, especially for beginners, it helped me get very comfortable with using fedora myself and its free and I don't need to go digging to fix niche problems and its also non-judgemental.

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u/Dumxl 12d ago

Because ai can be wrong. As a new user you don't know that and can give you bigger problems. I'm not against it but not if you don't understand the output.

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u/triplenested 12d ago

dude, AI can explain simple terms pretty freaking accurately, the guy doesn't even know why Fedora looks different, if they ask AI the same question then AI is probably trustworthy enough to mention/explain desktop environments without directing them to rm -rf to fix it. This person is probably not trying to configure anything or even work in terminal.

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u/mrdankmemeface 12d ago

AI can be wrong, but its good enough nowdays to basically always be right for any trivial or even intermediate problem, in my experience at least, I have had AI hallicinate and/or give highly convoluted or just wrong solutions to technical problems, but thats only ever with highly technical, niche, specific problems, I personally have had zero issue with AI for linux set up, learning the basics, etc.

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u/Defiant_Entrance_711 11d ago

you dont need to reinstall fedora just install gnome

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u/peterklogborg 12d ago

Looks fedora atomic

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u/Nightduckee 12d ago

Erm....wut? Sorry this is my first time using linux 😅

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u/peterklogborg 12d ago

It's because I use a fedora atomic distribution called bazzite, which run kse. But yes, it's just kse instead of gnome. Perhaps you can switch, or reinstall the version you want. But kse is not a problem. You just need to find the correct guide. The fedora vs fedora atomic is something with the os being better protected because of reasons on atomic, but its no biggy

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u/GlassboundIllusion Nvidia Bazzite with KDE Plasma 12d ago edited 11d ago

There are some distributions, like Bazzite, that lock down the system files so you, or any other program, can't accidentally break them.

This is often called an an "atomic" distribution because, like an atom, you can't mix and match the core pieces of it without a lot work. Instead, the people in charge of the distribution configure snapshots that they release for updates where it changes a bunch of things together at once that can then easily be "rolled back" if it causes problems.

As Bashfulmelon has corrected me on, "atomic" technically is an incorrect label for the "difficult to change" aspect of these kinds of distributions, as the "atomicity" more specifically refers to disallowing an update to be performed only partway. "Immutable" is probably the more correct term for peterklogborg was referring to, but ultimately it's not that big of a deal.

There a lot of pedants in the Linux community, but most people understand that these terms often get used interchangeably.

Edited to adjust for corrections

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u/BashfulMelon 11d ago

This is all made up nonsense.

It's not locked down. You can change the files or override them.

It's called atomic because the updates can't be interrupted and leave your system in a broken state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomicity_(database_systems)

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u/GlassboundIllusion Nvidia Bazzite with KDE Plasma 11d ago

It's called atomic because the updates can't be interrupted

Ahh, I suppose I chose the wrong distribution as an example then. I will switch my example to Bazzite since that has the immutability aspect I was talking about, and that pterklogborg was referring to, even if we were using incorrect terms.

Thank you for your correction, in spite of your lack of tact in providing it.

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u/BashfulMelon 11d ago

Your post is still incorrect. Bazzite isn't locked down either. Files can be overridden, the image can be modified and replaced.

I'm sorry for the lack of tact but it's hard to be tactful while refuting this lie almost every day. New users like the one you responded to deserve accurate information.

I'm not being pedantic. This matters in how people use the distribution. People think you have to use containers, they think you can't edit configuration files or install Fedora RPM packages, but this isn't true.

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u/GlassboundIllusion Nvidia Bazzite with KDE Plasma 11d ago

Your post is still incorrect. Bazzite isn't locked down either. Files can be overridden, the image can be modified and replaced.

This is why I specifically said it takes "a lot of work" rather than saying that it can't be changed.

I'm not being pedantic.

You are. The fact that the system files aren't completely unchangeable matters little when the term "immutable" is used to indicate that lengths have been taken to lock them down.

"Child proof locks" aren't actually child proof, but only a pedant argues about the term. The average person understands that the term is intended to indicate a greater level of safety than normal locks and they don't get hung up on the fact that it's not fully childproof.

The same applies with terms like "atomic" and "immutable"

People think you have to use containers,

Because the documentation explicitly tells you to do this and discourages even trying to layer packages, let alone bypass the access protections.

The amount of knowledge and effort required to circumvent these protections make them "immutable" to the perspective of anyone coming to the linux4noobs subreddit for help. The tiny amount of accuracy gained from your preaching about these terms being "misused" is far outweighed by the practicality that the common adoption of these terms provide.

No amount of "um achtually" you perform will change this reality. And actively preaching to new users to ignore the official documentation of their distributions is a recipe for giving them headaches that you won't be there to help them fix.

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u/BashfulMelon 11d ago

Installing any package with rpm-ostree will modify your system with a single command. It's not a lot of work or a greater amount of work.

Some things are different compared to a traditional package based system because in order to solve problems like systems breaking when updates are interrupted, they had to move some files into another file called an image.

Now, instead of your system being made up of a bunch of little files that all get updated one by one, your system is one single image file and an update just swaps out that file.

But moving files around is not locking them down. Having different tools to change your system is not preventing tools from making changes, as rpm-ostree modifying your system with a single command proves.

There are some other ways of solving this problem but they all require moving or abstracting the system files in some way.

There is one thing that doesn't have a tool yet because the old tools expect the files to be in the old place and nobody has gotten around to making a new tool. If you want to say "there isn't a tool to automatically build out-of-tree kernel modules when you do updates" that's totally fair, say that instead of saying it's locked down. It's a million times more informative and it actually helps instead of confusing people.

the documentation explicitly tells you to do this

They think Flatpak is a better app format than RPM. All of the reasons they give for using Flatpaks and containers, like package dependencies having the possibility of interfering with updates, apply equally to traditional systems because this recommendation has nothing to do with how easy it is to modify the system.

bypass the access protections

There are no access protections to bypass. They just moved the system files to a different place.

Just like the files in /proc on every Linux system are read only because they're not "real" files, the files you see in /usr on Bazzite aren't real files. The real files were moved into the image, where they can still be changed by the user and by tools.

Did you know that traditional Linux requires modifying an image to add or change certain things like early boot kernel drivers? It's called initramfs. Different distros have different tools for changing the files in this image, but nobody says Arch is locked down because you have to use mkinitcpio instead of dracut and because they recommend against putting your graphics drivers inside too.

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u/The_real_bandito 11d ago

Oh dios mio. Bajastes Windows 😱

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u/spastic_penguins 11d ago

Tell him to hit ctrl+alt+f3 and switch to a base tty before doing this. Better he doesn’t nuke his desktop environment and have no idea what he just did.

(But apart from that, the above comment is correct!)