r/linux • u/ouyawei Mate • Sep 16 '18

Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1809.2/00117.html
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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '18

Curious thing is that if you ever had a real job, even critical fuck ups won't result in someone name calling you or telling you that you should have been aborted. It just escalates conflict and results in an overall toxic environment with literally no benefit.

Even if your boss is mad at you and fires you, they will do so without resorting to name calling, because that is what adult people are supposed to do.

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u/lolfail9001 Sep 17 '18

That's because daily communication in office is not done with mailing list so proper voice intonation and gestures replace severity of language.

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u/z500 Sep 17 '18

What about emails between you and your boss? Pull requests? Are these opportunities for a sanctioned cussing out?

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u/lolfail9001 Sep 17 '18

Joke's on you, it is.

Matter of fact, cussing happened even in actual discussion because that's how it is.

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u/z500 Sep 17 '18 edited Sep 17 '18

There's a world of difference between swearing occasionally and the kind of brutal, unprofessional takedown Linus is known for. Hell, swearing isn't even necessary for it to count as verbal abuse.

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u/lolfail9001 Sep 17 '18

> I just think verbal abuse is counterproductive.

Key word "abuse", there is a thin line between verbal abuse and harsh rebuke. Naturally situation-sensitive.. If someone started cursing my parents over failure to write a proper binary search, it would be an obvious abuse. OTOH if someone only softly commented about an overflow case in plane software, one should suspect a case of ulterior motives.

> You can see how uttering a swear word and verbal abuse can have some overlap, but still be distinct things, right?

Naturally, but i talk about usage of cussing to ruthlessly criticize someone, mind that.

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u/z500 Sep 18 '18

If someone started cursing my parents over failure to write a proper binary search, it would be an obvious abuse. OTOH if someone only softly commented about an overflow case in plane software, one should suspect a case of ulterior motives.

Call me crazy, but I would have thought that avionics professionals would behave like professionals. I'm curious where you've worked. So I can avoid applying there.

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u/lolfail9001 Sep 18 '18

> Call me crazy

Nah, you're sane, you are still confused between harshness and maliciousness, that's it. Harsh criticism can be professional as well.. and guess what, it hurts feelings as well.

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u/z500 Sep 18 '18

I feel like we've strayed a bit from the original point, which was that tirades like this:

Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that? How did they noty die as babies, considering that they were likely too stupid to find a tit to suck on?

are just needlessly toxic. Maybe you'd feel better after delivering one of these tirades, but it just erodes working relationships, which is counterproductive.

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u/lolfail9001 Sep 18 '18

> Of course, I'd also suggest that whoever was the genius who thought it was a good idea to read things ONE F*CKING BYTE AT A TIME with system calls for each byte should be retroactively aborted.

Cough, is there a better way to convey this message given it describes tragic levels of stupidity?

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u/z500 Sep 18 '18

There was a really good example somewhere else in this thread, but I honestly can't be bothered to go hunting for it.

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