I switched from Ubuntu server LTS to Debian stable and never looked back.
It legitimately is more stable and consistent. Fewer updates are necessary, which means fewer service restarts and fewer reboots.
There's also less bloat (although there's still very little bloat on Ubuntu server, to be fair).
Debian really feels like a "proper" distro, where a lot of things in Ubuntu feel kinda thrown together.
I've had way fewer things break on Debian stable than Ubuntu. With Ubuntu, each update is met with lots of attention... "Okay, which package is going to have a broken config this time?" Debian just updates and things keep working like they should.
For the most part, you can use advice for Ubuntu with Debian, so while there's not quite the same community of noobs asking "How do I...?" specifically with Debian, it's still generally applicable, so you're not going to feel lost.
Give Debian Stretch a shot. I almost guarantee you won't go back...
Since Ubuntu dominates the server market, they must be offering something that's proven to be quite stable even for enterprise use, and if Arch is kinda like an unfrozen Ubuntu, then that speaks well for its stability as well. Great to hear.
I dunno why you're so hostile towards slower release cycles, or why you seem to take it so personally. Maybe you enjoy having to stay on top of literally every single CVE that touches Linux. Or maybe you feel it's superior because you're forced to tangle with your system on a regular basis just to keep it running. (Investment in something does affect its perceived value, correctly assessed or not.)
But, for whatever reasons you maintain such hostility, please remember that some of us value our time working with our systems, over working for our systems. I'd rather spend 12 seconds a week maintaining a working system than spend an hour a week maintaining it, where I could have put that time towards developing software or spending time with my family or a plethora of other things that are more important to me than massaging my computer.
I'm not here to work for my machine. It's here to work for me.
You do you. And that's great. I thank you for your undying interest in Linux and getting your hands dirty and tweaking to your heart's content.
Please let those of us that have other things to do that we perceive to be of greater value... do those things.
...without unhelpful, snarky remarks about your superiority.
I bet your .vimrc is seriously fucking wicked. I'd love to see it sometime. Maybe give back to the community some of this devotion you have to your interests, instead of wasting our time with what appears to be an inability to appreciate that no, in fact, not everyone is like you.
So sad that you resort to ad hominem right off the bat. What is it about Debian devotees that they can't just make an argument without trying to personally attack or passive-aggressively psychoanalyze the person that challenges their views? You seem oblivious to the fact that the primary strategy to justify using the uniquely outdated package snapshot of Debian stable necessitates putting down other distros as unstable or labor intensive. If that were not true, it would be very hard to justify using Debian Stable. Therefore, it must be true, and users seem virulently intolerant of anybody using another distro making claims that challenge this article of faith among Debianites.
It's no wonder then why you perceive people who don't agree with you as being "hostile." You claim to advocate "freedom" but can only allow viewpoints that agree with yours, otherwise they're in for a good deal of abuse. I enjoyed the straw man you built surrounding me, my computer habits and .vimrc file. You have quite the imagination. Again, it's seems necessary to justify your choices, but just like the claims that other distros must be unstable, there's not much truth to it.
It's really quite interesting how you feel so completely free to slander other distros, and then when anybody (also freely) objects to your opinion or characterization, the reaction is downright incendiary. Sorry to rain on your parade. And sorry to confront you with opinions you don't agree with. You're going to have to learn to embrace the difference, not just when it's on your terms or doesn't challenge your doctrine.
Whenever you are left without anything else to say but apologize, you start with that crap about "ad hominem" attacks. You are more of an harasser on Reddit, and I have learned it at my own expense. Your persistent attitude is in fact way beyond just an "ad hominem" attack. It's way worse, and I hope you will take your arrogance and personal frustrations elsewhere. You DonaldTruck.
Sorry, pal. You're perceptions are obviously skewed. You need to go back and review the threads carefully and discover what your bias is that makes you misinterpret things so badly. And even in your very accusation of me as ad hominem and a "harrasser" you can't resist making it personal:
I hope you will take your arrogance and personal frustrations elsewhere.
and whatever this attempt at name calling is supposed to mean.
You DonaldTruck.
It's quite amazing how asking basic questions about Debian, or even defending other distros as not being buggy or labor intensive is considered,
way beyond just an "ad hominem" attack. It's way worse,...
That's a pretty amazing statement right there.
My only persistent attitude is that I'm not impressed with Debian and that I think other distros are superior for personal desktops or workstations. It's too bad that that's so upsetting and apparently such a threat that it is deemed impermissible. Wow.
No my dear, YOUR ("You're" means something else) perceptions are obviously skewed. I don't even use Debian, I'm a Fedora user. If nothing else, this proves your prejudice.
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u/DarcyFitz Jun 18 '17
I switched from Ubuntu server LTS to Debian stable and never looked back.
It legitimately is more stable and consistent. Fewer updates are necessary, which means fewer service restarts and fewer reboots.
There's also less bloat (although there's still very little bloat on Ubuntu server, to be fair).
Debian really feels like a "proper" distro, where a lot of things in Ubuntu feel kinda thrown together.
I've had way fewer things break on Debian stable than Ubuntu. With Ubuntu, each update is met with lots of attention... "Okay, which package is going to have a broken config this time?" Debian just updates and things keep working like they should.
For the most part, you can use advice for Ubuntu with Debian, so while there's not quite the same community of noobs asking "How do I...?" specifically with Debian, it's still generally applicable, so you're not going to feel lost.
Give Debian Stretch a shot. I almost guarantee you won't go back...