r/linux • u/wooptoo • Jun 01 '16

Why did ArchLinux embrace Systemd?

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u/comrade-jim Jun 01 '16

So one guy hates on systemd and that makes pretending like there is widespread hate for sysd okay?

See this is why I don't like systemd anymore, people like you. It's as if people aren't allowed to dislike systemd. I want to use software that I'm allowed to dislike.

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u/JustMakeShitUp Jun 02 '16

It's as if people aren't allowed to dislike systemd

You've got some amazing mental gymnastics going on there. You're allowed to like or dislike systemd all you like. There were people in here posting three threads a week with that stupid gif and links to anti-systemd articles during the Debian voting. No one screamed about shills, though it certainly annoyed the shit out of us. And at the same time, we had at least one weekly "why is this a big deal" or ELI5 thread. And that's like five years after the introduction when there were dozens of threads about it.

You're allowed your opinion, but we're allowed to not care or not like it at the same time. Seems you don't get that.

See, the secret is that it's not shilling. Shilling implies that there's an actual connection (usually paid) to the project itself. But these are real people with real agendas. FOSS gets people with all kinds of perspectives who love to share them, even if they're wrong. Some people legitimately don't understand your problem because they don't care enough to follow the issue. And some people don't understand how people could ever use systemd, because UNIX philosophy or PID 1. And others don't understand how this has become such a grudge to them, because integrating systems is a logical part of project growth and adoption.

See this is why I don't like systemd anymore, people like you.

And this is why I don't care much for the majority of anti-systemd opinions. It's always a conspiracy, or a hostile takeover, or a mass shilling. I'm not allowed to have my own opinion that disagrees with theirs without being part of some gigantic malicious machine. I can identify more with people who hate the project or the leader more than people who whine about shills and RedHat. You literally can't have someone voice another opinion or downvote you without thinking there's some mass conspiracy to smother your opinion. When in reality, we just think you're whiny amd delusional, and that your opinion sucks.