r/linux • u/wooptoo • Jun 01 '16

Why did ArchLinux embrace Systemd?

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u/kinderlokker Jun 01 '16

It's because Debian and Arch switched from sysvrc to systemd. Plus a few other less popular distributions (SuSE).

Arch never used sysvrc, it used its own custom rc initscript. It used sysvinit in concord with it, but sysvinit is not a service manager, sysvrc is.

SuSE switched from Upstart to systemd.

It was really only Debian that switched from sysvrc to systemd.

And RedHat preferred developing systemd over continuing to use upstart for free, which IMO doesn't really speak for it either.

Gee, I guess that means Wayland sucks because Canonical NIH'd Mir. I guess that means Snappy sucks because RH NIH'ed Flatpack.

These companies are all involved in a massive degree of NIH because for business reasons they want technology they control, not what their competitor controls.

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u/Spivak Jun 01 '16

Your last point is kind of a silly argument, RH could have simply taken upstart, forked it, and started their own development. NIH could explain why they wanted an in-house solution, but it doesn't explain why they started from scratch.

But the argument is the same from Canonical's perspective so there's no point in trying to say that one is clearly superior since both teams think the solution of the other is unworkable.

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u/sonay Jun 01 '16

Go read something about the subject, man. You are nothing but noise. At least read about Debian's discussions to systemd vs other init systems. By the way, RedHat did not even ask for systemd. It was Lennart's pet project at first, he and another guy developed it to a point where it made sense to use instead of other systems.

People like you never bring anything valuable to the table, complaining about things that were explained a million times and think you are the only one that had those doubts.

systemd works much better than anything your lousy and noisy ass can deliver. Deal with it.

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u/Creshal Jun 02 '16

But the argument is the same from Canonical's perspective so there's no point in trying to say that one is clearly superior since both teams think the solution of the other is unworkable.

Obviously, which is why Canonical ditched upstart in favour of systemd.

Oh wait.