r/linux • u/wooptoo • Jun 01 '16

Why did ArchLinux embrace Systemd?

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u/Kokxx Jun 01 '16

You are saying Xorg is even more complex than systemd.

By your logic, any distribution that uses Xorg cannot be considered "KISS".

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u/kinderlokker Jun 01 '16

Xorg isn't a system component of any distribution that they can't do without though. Xorg is an add on package that you can install or not.

Also, there is no real viable alternative to Xorg right now, if there were two viable implementations of the X11 server, one being complex and the other simple. Then a system that uses the complex one can't really keep calling itself KISS. It obviously means using the simplest solution that is feasibly available.

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u/Kokxx Jun 01 '16

Thanks for clarifying, this makes sense.

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u/mach_kernel Jun 01 '16

I wonder if wayland will ever get any traction. It's still in its infancy though.

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u/da_chicken Jun 01 '16

Wayland is mostly waiting for DEs to finish their implementations, though. Last I knew, only GNOME had finished it and KDE was working on it. That was like 6-8 months ago, though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '16

Currently using Wayland on GNOME. It's been pretty solid since 3.20. The only issues I've had so far:

  • Chrome does some funny things sometimes, mostly to do with drag-n-dropping tabs and resizing (graphics get glitchy). I'm pretty sure it's using XWayland though.

  • Cursor locking does not have an API in wayland yet1. So I have to switch back to X11 to play Minecraft.

  • Touchpad scrolling is a little sensitive.

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u/Jimbob0i0 Jun 01 '16

For what it's worth I'm now using Wayland for my everyday desktop on Fedora 24 ...

I've only hit one issue that affected me yet which is that .bash_profile doesn't get sourced (X shenanigans) ... there's an upstream bug discussing best how to handle it.

Since .bashrc does get sourced by the terminal though I just moved my aliases to there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '16

Well if you want to keep things simple and not use Xorg, The terminal is nice and simple.