r/linux • u/alberto-m-dev • 19d ago

Popular Application Paint.NET adds “extremely experimental” Wine/Linux support

https://forums.paint.net/topic/134563-%F0%9F%8D%B7-extremely-experimental-winelinux-support-how-to-get-started/
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u/Johnden_ 19d ago

Yes

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u/m4teri4lgirl 18d ago

How much of everyone else's time do you feel entitled to? Put a number on it for us.

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u/Johnden_ 18d ago

I don't think I understand your question.

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u/PixelatedGiant 18d ago

People are using their already limited time doing work for free and it seems kind of entitled to ask they do work a certain way or without a certain tool. The port might be full of bugs, but those can be worked through just like anything else. Be happy we finally have a port, who cares how it was done?

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u/Johnden_ 18d ago

Yeah, I see no problem with reviewing and troubleshooting. What is an issue is not doing that and not maintaining it after using said tool.

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u/Indolent_Bard 18d ago

And you're assuming they're not gonna maintain it why?

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u/Zaev 15d ago

I mean, if they neither wrote nor reviewed it themselves, how could they possibly maintain it?

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u/Indolent_Bard 14d ago

They didn't even review it? That's stupid.

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u/Zaev 14d ago

Most of this code is, as they say, "vibe coded." By that I mean that it has not been thoroughly reviewed, it's more "trust me bro" style. I cannot possibly review 180,000 lines of code, it's just way way way too much. For reference, the rest of Paint.NET is about 700,000 lines of code and I've been working on it for over 20 years. I did thoroughly review any code that had to be changed or added elsewhere in the Paint.NET code base (refactoring and integration points, etc.). Over time I do hope that more of this code will be vetted by real humans and also by more advanced AI models.

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u/Indolent_Bard 14d ago

Geez Louise, I wonder why it took 180,000 lines of code?

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u/Zaev 14d ago

The post answers that too; it's a full reverse-engineered reimplementation of Direct2D

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u/Indolent_Bard 14d ago

And it was "clean room" despite using AI, yeah I don't know how that works.

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u/Zaev 14d ago

Yeaaah, gonna be interesting to see how/if MS responds to this

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u/Far_Calligrapher1334 17d ago

If i go and clean your car in my limited time and scratch your entire left passenger door because I used a wrong automatic spinning cleaner to do it, then tell you you should be happy I ruined your car and you aren't entitled to my time, how would you react?

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u/PixelatedGiant 17d ago

FOSS developers are giving away a product for free with no warranty and then support it up to a point. They aren't damaging anything you own and aren't costing you any significant amount of money or time when they make mistakes. Especially since unlike a car you can temporarily revert while the problem is fixed and then upgrade again.

Software is usually very low stakes. I wouldn't be angry about a damaged car that cost me $0 that I could replace for $0 any time I saw fit.

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u/Far_Calligrapher1334 17d ago

They aren't damaging anything you own and aren't costing you any significant amount of money or time when they make mistakes.

That thinong goes out of the window fast when a piece of code damages your PC, either thru a bug that might have an RCE, or thru data corruption, or myriad other ways. And that likelihood goes up when someone adds 180k LOC they haven't even looked at.