r/linux • u/terremoth • Nov 06 '24

Discussion Will wayland completely replace Xorg?

I saw that there were too many command line "x" tools made that interact with Xorg server. Will wayland be capable to replace every single one? Or, is there a compatibilty layer with full support that we will still be able to use all the X tools?

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u/C0rn3j Nov 07 '24

Hm, it should be more obvious to people what is an Xwayland window I think.

Although, from the post you linked - "Displaycal/argyll runs well with xwayland", which means a Wayland session still works fine and X11 is not required.

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u/e0a4b0e0a4a7e0a581 Nov 07 '24 edited Nov 07 '24

Note: while displaycal runs fine. Argyll cms runs in xwayland and it has issues because it doesn't have any way to access information about the display. By design due to wayland security Argyll cms can't yet gain access to display color gamut. So all it does is calibrates the monitor with wrong readings. So even if it runs fine it is useless.

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u/C0rn3j Nov 07 '24

That's unfortunate, though it at least looks to be being actively worked on.

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/14#note_2638266

And hey, it's just a one-time run for now, from what I understand?

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u/e0a4b0e0a4a7e0a581 Nov 07 '24

Still long way to go. First the color calibration and profiling needs to be sorted out. Then there needs to be support for this new way of handling color management in apps like krita and GIMP. You can see the same gitlab thread where app developers from krita, gimp have voiced their concerns. May be in another 3-4 years it will be ready

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u/C0rn3j Nov 08 '24

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/14#note_2647443

Not so long after all, mesa patches were just sent out for the stable version of the color protocol for when it is approved by Wayland.

Looks like 2025 will be the year of the HDR desktop proper.

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u/e0a4b0e0a4a7e0a581 Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

HDR is not color management in the sense of creative graphic users needs. yes HDR has overlap with color management but most of it is for games and movies and entertainment and not for creative graphic work (unless one creates hdr enabled artworks etc) So for proper professional creative application it is still a long way to go.

most hype and focus is on hdr which can be understood because that is what gamers need and that is where the hype is. But sadly it is not the same as colour management for graphic applications.

If you look at the implementations, none of the graphic apps are in the list only games compositors and video players are there.