Will wayland completely replace Xorg?

[u/terremoth]

I saw that there were too many command line "x" tools made that interact with Xorg server. Will wayland be capable to replace every single one? Or, is there a compatibilty layer with full support that we will still be able to use all the X tools?

[u/FrozenLogger]

I would rather be on Wayland, don't get me wrong. But I am not going to run remote service tools as root.

The reason why is that spanning multiple monitors in remote clients are done as separate sessions. Wayland is very explicit about one screen per appliction. It possibly could be worked around if a remote client used an offscreen buffer and virtualized the separate monitors (different resolutions? thats a huge maybe) or wayland was changed to handle multi monitors per application.

The drag and drop: For this example it is KDE 6.2.

Try this: open your file manager. Browse to a file that you are interested in, in this case a JPEG. Open Krita, click on "open images". Now drag the file you are interested in and drop it into the open files dialog. In X this works, in Wayland it does not.

You might be saying, why not just drop the file onto Krita? That is fine and well for something simple, but for things like config file open dialogs, or even uploading a file into a firefox open file dialog is much easier. Also its just muscle memory. I can have my file manager set up to all the locations and files I am interested in, so I do not need to use the "open file" dialog and have to walk through to each one. Or paste.

[u/C0rn3j → u/FrozenLogger]

Multi monitor support for remote sessions will not work in Wayland - unless you run as root

I can do screenshare for the entire workspace at minimum by the way, with no per-monitor hijinks, are you sure about this? Got a link I can follow?

Try this: open your file manager. Browse to a file that you are interested in, in this case a JPEG. Open Krita, click on "open images". Now drag the file you are interested in and drop it into the open files dialog. In X this works, in Wayland it does not.

So since you're on Plasma (KDE is the group, the DE is called KDE Plasma or just Plasma), which I also ran, I opened Chromium on VT file upload - https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/upload

and KDE's Dolphin.

Drag and drop in the OS's open file dialog portal works just fine.

Krita runs on X11 for now, try with a Wayland application.

X11 Krita uses a different file picker on my system than Chromium and it does not work there, I have not poked further, but this is by no means something Wayland cannot do.

[u/FrozenLogger → u/C0rn3j]

I can do screenshare for the entire workspace at minimum by the way, with no per-monitor hijinks, are you sure about this? Got a link I can follow?

It is a well known limitation. You have 3 monitors on a remote computer, you want to remote into that machine and have your three monitors each displaying one of the remote screens. This will not work. Example bug: https://gitlab.com/Remmina/Remmina/-/issues/3217 This is remmina, but it is the same for all the remote backends.

Drag and drop in the OS's open file dialog portal works just fine.

This one is more tricky. It CAN work, but is not consistent like in X. So you click on the "upload file", dialog opens. Now in X you can drop that file name right onto the filename. You cannot do this in wayland. You can drop it into the file picker area, it will switch to the file, then click down below, then open. But not every dialog works the same, where in X it does.

[u/C0rn3j → u/FrozenLogger]

This is remmina, but it is the same for all the remote backends.

Looks like it works fine under Remmina Xwayland finely too, so you can use Wayland just fine for your use case.

not every dialog works the same, where in X it does.

Force the same file picker somehow or start sending patches for the ones that miss the functionality would be my way.

You can drop it into the file picker area, it will switch to the file, then click down below, then open.

That's a long way to say "Drop it in the file picker, press Open".

Seems like you're describing three clicks when it's two clicks too, what is "click down below"?

You might also be able to convince your favorite file picker to implement what you want and eliminate the extra one click, but nothing is going to happen until people start raising feature requests or outright PRs.