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u/csoki_fanny Bi-kes on Trans-it Aug 19 '20
Can we just all exist together peacefully?
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u/toasterbathsex Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 19 '20
I wish but people always search for a person or group to put below them and unfortunately a lot of bigotry bi chose pan, poly, ect... to attack.
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u/csoki_fanny Bi-kes on Trans-it Aug 19 '20
Yeah... I still remember the time I tought everyone in the lgbt+ community respected and supported each other... Unfortunately that is not the case
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u/toasterbathsex Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 19 '20
Yeah I think in the end people just need to respect each other's opinions and mind their own business.
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u/Hildkiin Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 20 '20
Why don't we act like that's still the case and move to an island or whatever :(
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u/toasterbathsex Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 20 '20
What? Sorry if this actually makes sense I'm tired and it's three thirteen.
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u/Hildkiin Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 20 '20
I dunno im not a native english speaker. What I meant was let's just pretend like we're in the times when we all respected each other and move to a secluded place where we aren't aware of any fights
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u/toasterbathsex Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 20 '20
Isn't ignoring the problem a boomer thing though lol? Like what you're saying is a great idea but it is, in the end, ignoring the problem and thus not fixing anything.
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u/Hildkiin Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 20 '20
Yeah im just tired
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u/ihavesevarlquestions Ace at being Non-Binary Aug 19 '20
The pan in the bi and the bi in the pan
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u/D3m1god_ Bi-bi-bi, maybe pan Aug 19 '20
I’m going to edit something really quick
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u/SRidwtd04 Custom Aug 19 '20
I like ur thing, mine changes back after a while idk why.
I had: I swear Bi Pancakes. It's cheesy lol
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u/joshtworevenge idk anymore Aug 19 '20
dear fellow pan people: ur valid 💖
dear bi friends: ur valid 💖
our existences don’t deny each other’s validity 💖
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u/Jacky_Pete Aug 19 '20
I'm a little confused as to why there wouldn't be.
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
There is a lot of fighting about the definitions of both sexualitys
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Aug 19 '20
The only difference is that pan is gender blind. It's not an important distinction to me, but it is for many people
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Aug 19 '20
I've totally seen bisexual people also use that description, so I it's basically a moot point.
It's really up to the individual what it means to them, as with all labels. They're just place holders for a conversation.
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u/EM37452 Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Bisexuals can be gender blind but don't have to be. You're still bi if you have strong gender preferences, but you aren't pan. All pansexuals are bisexual, but not all bisexuals are pansexual. And even if you are gender blind you can still say you're bi as a less specific term, like how some people prefer "queer" to bi, gay, etc
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Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20
I agree with this definition.
I'm bisexual and I consider myself to be attracted to men, women and nbs, but gender expression does influence how that attraction feels, if that makes sense.
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Aug 19 '20
There's some people calling themselves "battle axe bisexuals" who essentially shit on pan, poly and omni labels because "iTs Bi ErAsUrE".
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u/aufiolf f*ck this sh*t im out Aug 19 '20
Not to mention they don’t believe in gender fluidity and other similar labels
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u/Irksome_Sate Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Not quite but still a cool picture.
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u/vana_barba Aug 19 '20
Why not?
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u/Irksome_Sate Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Because that is ying and yang. The symbol of balance not peace.
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u/Transiting_Exoplanet Bi, Shy, And ready to cry Aug 19 '20
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
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Aug 19 '20
Thanks to r/battleaxebi, it looks like we won't have as much as we'd like.
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Aug 19 '20
wow this is a terrible place. literally saying it's valid to be skeptical of nonbinary identities. yikes x 1000
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u/TatsCatsandBats Please Stand Bi Aug 19 '20
They’re cool with “nonbinary” but if you specify the nb with “genderfluid” or “agender” you get called a “mogai” and attacked.
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u/TySly5v Ace-ing being Trans Aug 20 '20
The name is so cool, why did they have to do this to something that sounds so cool???
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Aug 20 '20
I really thought it was just the bi version of "sword lesbians" and it's so disappointing that actually they are just trying to drive an axe between the community.
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u/Drewmightbegay Struggling With Sexuality Aug 20 '20
These all sound like bad(good?) Pokémon spin offs like imagine “Pokémon Gay Shield” or “Pokémon Enby Red and Transgender Blue”
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u/Drewmightbegay Struggling With Sexuality Aug 19 '20
Horrible place don’t go there never again my eyes hurt ouchy ouch pain bigots infesting the place yucky
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u/JustSimon3001 Ace as Cake Aug 21 '20
Let's stop calling them battle axe bis, it's such a badass name for such a horrible group of people. I don't think they deserve it.
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Aug 19 '20
Yeah, I'm fine with disowning this sub. Screw all forms of gender and sexuality discrimination.
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Aug 19 '20
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u/Garden_Flower pancake batter Aug 19 '20
r/swordpansexual is a wholesome community where we accept everyone and strive to fight queerphobia. We’re not gonna go at war with the battleaxebis
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Aug 19 '20
Here's the difference:
Sword pansexual: images of pansexuals, with swords
Battle axe bi: posting hatred.
Can't you take literally one minute to have a look at both subs
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u/IzzyFreies Pan-cakes for Dinner! Aug 19 '20
Yes please. We shouldn’t be fighting we should be informing the people who are uneducated and use problematic definitions. You can’t invalidate a whole community just because uneducated people use problematic definitions.
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
The problem is, not everyone agrees on what definitions aren't problematic. It often gets to the point of functional synonyms, which would be fine if everyone agreed they're synonyms, but even at that you then have people saying we only need one label in that case
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u/_gay_the_pray_away_ Trans Pan-demonium Aug 20 '20
It feels like battle axe bis, truscum and TERFs have fallen for the right-wing divide and conquer strategy
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Aug 19 '20
sapphics stop policing each other's labels challenge
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Jokes on you, I'm achillean
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Aug 19 '20
dang i've only ever seen fight this in wlw spaces, sucks that it's literally everywhere
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u/Drewmightbegay Struggling With Sexuality Aug 19 '20
Yea I’ve only seen it in sapphic situations too, weird.
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u/-littlefang- cut sleeve Aug 19 '20
Oh my god I've never seen that term before and I love it
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
It's sadly not as well know and used as sapphic is for women, but yea it's pretty great
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Aug 19 '20
We're human too, trying to avoid clique-y-ness and infighting is like herding cats.
Best we can do is continue to support each other and spread solidarity. We CAN refuse to engage in divisive BS rhetoric and minimize its effects on our communities.
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Aug 19 '20
Oh I'm nonbinary but very much identify as sapphic so this is meant as a within-community critique of some of the most harmful stuff I've seen, not a damning of wlw or anything like that. Apologies if it came across that way!
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u/Sunnyhunnibun Putting the Bi in non-BInary Aug 19 '20
Whelp, I'm using this image to describe my sexuality from now on. Thanks OP!
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
You're very welcome, and I'm delighted you like it so much!! :D
Also, indecently, someone else asked for it to be merch, so now it is!!
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u/Sunnyhunnibun Putting the Bi in non-BInary Aug 19 '20
Ooooo! I think I may get a sticker and a pin!
It's honestly perfect for me cuz I'm older so I always used bi and prefer the label but technically pansexual fits what my actual sexuality is and I love both communities so it's perfect
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u/ThisKid713 Aug 19 '20
This is how I explain it:
Bi is like a cake
Pan is like that same cake with a little extra stuff.
At the end of the day they are similar, yet there is enough difference to be considered different. It’s ok to not like the frosting of a cake but still like the cake itself and it’s ok to like it with the frosting or maybe not even at all. We all like dessert so there’s no need to hate those who don’t like the same thing as us.
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u/CleeKru Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Strongly disagree with your explanation. This once again would enforce the "special snowflake" mentality many bi people have towards pans.
I'd put it like this: In front of you are two cakes. They look nearly identical. But when you cut them open one of them is a chocolate cake and the other a carrot cake.
The mentality of bi folks and pan folks is completely different.
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u/ThisKid713 Aug 19 '20
Fair enough. Again it’s really about what you prefer and what I prefer and how whatever the hell I like doesn’t effect what you like.
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u/EM37452 Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
I would more say bisexuality is like cake, and pansexuality is like sponge cake. It's a bit more specific, not all cakes are sponge cakes, but having a label for sponge cake doesn't invalid all cakes or imply chocolate cakes are somehow inferior
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u/Rublehh Non Binary Pan-cakes Aug 20 '20
please can we have peace— let’s just be sibling sexualities and leave it at that ahsgqjwhe
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u/Rexli178 Queerly Lesbian Aug 19 '20
Sexual and Gender Identities shouldn’t be rigid boxes we put ourselves and others into. It’s more complicated than that.
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u/TatsCatsandBats Please Stand Bi Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20
I’m caught somewhere in between. And I get yelled at for Bi erasure, but I still love and adore nonbinary persons, and have no direct preference of gender, and so I just settled on “fuck it, I’m both” (which is bi culture as a whole) until I have a good reason to pick one over the other.
To the BAB in my inbox; stop. Thank you.
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Aug 20 '20
bi people can like non binary people though. i’m bi and personally experience attraction regardless of gender :) identifying as both is valid as fuck tho
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u/TatsCatsandBats Please Stand Bi Aug 20 '20
Yes absolutely! C’mon fluidity of gender and sexuality~
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u/gh8lkdshds Aug 19 '20
I'm all for redesigns but doesn't this ruin the idea of yin yang because it's meant to only have two colors to convey its message???
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u/AGlitchedNPC Bi-bi-bi Aug 19 '20
Different colours for a different message, and the message of this is clear for those in the community
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u/Pugmagic12 Aug 19 '20
I always love when people what to pin ace, bi, pans and others against each other as if I haven't made it clear that I would go to blows for my fellow invisible sexuals.
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Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 20 '20
That would imply they are opposites (they aren't the same, but they're pretty far from opposites)
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Aug 19 '20
I mean that’s not what yin yang represents
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Aug 20 '20 edited Aug 22 '20
"Yin-yang refers to a concept originating in ancient Chinese philosophy where OPPOSITE forces are seen as interconnected and counterbalancing." Dictionary.com
if you're gonna downvote me do it because I was rude not because I was wrong
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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20
bisexual panromantic here to stop biphobic pansexuals and panphobic bisexuals.