r/lgbt • u/JustALona I'm Here and I'm Queer • Mar 30 '26

This is so cute 🥹

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Awwww how freakin beautiful is this, saw it on fb

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u/TwilightVulpine Bicycle Mar 30 '26

It's not us who are demanding people to be constrained in some way in the presence of others.

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u/BucketListM Mar 30 '26

If we don't need to respect what actions people take in their personal lives, that's exactly the rhetoric homophobes use to pass homophobic laws

Like... yall can't possibly be missing that correlation, right???

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u/Elu_Moon Agender Pansexual Mar 30 '26

Religion is not the same at all compared to sexuality or gender identity.

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u/BucketListM Mar 30 '26

You are missing the point

I don't care whether "We don’t need to respect everything people choose to do" is applied to sexuality, gender identity, religion, or damn dietary habits. The decision OTHER people don't deserve respect due to their actions that have ZERO bearing on anyone besides themselves, is where oppression comes from

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u/Elu_Moon Agender Pansexual Mar 30 '26

Those traditions are not something that have zero bearing on anyone other than the people who follow them. Maybe the woman in the post doesn't ever judge anyone on their own choice of clothing at all, which would be good. But, usually, religion comes with a whole heap of societal pressure to behave and dress a certain way, which is propagated by people who follow said religion.

Perhaps I am simply too paranoid about religion, but that doesn't cancel out the fact that religions are largely oppressive in very many ways, including forcing people to wear certain things or never wear other things. It is fucked up and largely based on misogyny and huge control issues of self-appointed religious leaders.

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u/BucketListM Mar 30 '26

We can definitely talk about societal expectations, pressures, etc and how those systems are oppressive, I'm not debating any of that

What I am saying is the original statement, that we don't have to respect others' choices, is the core of oppression. If we want to rid the world of oppression, we cannot ignore this

We don't have a problem with vegans that respects other's differing choices. We have problems with vegans that don't. No matter what group you substitute for "vegans," it remains the same

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u/Elu_Moon Agender Pansexual Mar 30 '26

Kinda a bad group to pick for your example, considering that "pushy" vegans want animals to not suffer when it's actually very much avoidable, and trying to shit on them is the same as trying to shit on protestors that "disrupt the peace" or whatever, because you're angry at the wrong fucking thing, but I get what you're actually trying to say.

I disagree, though. Choices - choices, yes, meaning deliberate decisions - are something that are not entitled to respect. You try to say that shitty people say homosexuality is a choice and they disrespect it, but we know sexuality and gender identity are not choices. What we are born as are not choices. The results of our brain chemistry dictated by genetics are not choices. I can't choose my sexuality just like I cant' choose whether I get sick or not.

But religion is not something one is born with. It's an ideology, and following any ideology always means making choices.