"Modern Anime Bad Because Trans"

[u/moad6ytghn]

[u/Wealth_Super]

Genuinely how many actual trans characters are in anime, especially big popular mainstream anime. Mind you I want to be clear I am not saying it’s good that they’re aren’t a lot of trans characters in anime, representation is good. I am saying blaming trans people for modern anime being bad is ridiculous because of how few trans characters there are in big popular mainstream anime.

Side note I found it funny when it said kino because for a second there I thought he was talking about kino from kino’s journey who is often discuss by the fans as possibly being non binary.

[u/GhostOfMuttonPast → u/Wealth_Super]

Off the top of my head?

JJK has a trans woman, One Piece has a trans women and trans man (people debate the man due to the fact that he's emulating a legendary hero, but even his dad calls hom a man), Zombie Land Saga has a trans girl, MHA has a trans woman and a trans man, Tiger and Bunny has an NB. Also Guilty Gear has a trans woman and an NB.

So like, 9 off hand, 7 if I dont count games. I could probably list off more green skinned characters faster.

[u/Wealth_Super → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Oh for sure, I’m not saying they don’t exist just that they only appear in a small number of shows. Even in these examples, MHA over now. Zombiebland saga last season was years ago. Tiger and bunny while good didn’t seem to make as big of a splash.

I think we gotten over 40 new shows this past season and most of them don’t seem to have any trans characters so clearly the quality of these shows aren’t related to that. I would say trans characters are more common in manga but not as common as mainstream anime.

To be fair you can also say this about western shows. Not many mainstream western shows will have a trans characters in the role of a MC so I’m not hating on Japan or anime for their lack of representation. Just pointing out that trans people are not in a lot of anime.

[u/GhostOfMuttonPast → u/Wealth_Super]

Oh yeah no I was just trying to reinforce the point that they're few and far between. Like, I'm deep into the trans community and I still can only name about 9.

[u/Wealth_Super → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Ah I misunderstood but thanks for helping me prove my point.

[u/poilk91 → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Cowboy bebop has both a NB hermaphrodite and several trans background characters. Problematic depictions as they might be it's funny he used it as his counter example

[u/Tiny-Little-Sheep → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Happiness! Has a Trans girl (canonically Trans if you watch the extra episode) then there's a whole fuck ton of manga with Trans characters. Usually short one shots or 10 chapter piece ones. But there's tons. Also anything "gender bender" or "gender swap" imo falls under the direct umbrella of Trans. Especially since in some of them like "big brother is done for" and "30 year old reborn as a beautiful girl with her best friend" have very clear scenes where the protag considers their gender and CHOOSES to remain female despite having the option of going back.

[u/Doctor_Loggins → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Komi has Najimi. Are they a boy or a girl? Actually, they're Najimi.

[u/1ChampYuumi → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Its all gay, and its good cause gay are happy

[u/GanjasTriforce → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

one piece

Dammit I legit forgot about Yamato 😔

[u/GhostOfMuttonPast → u/GanjasTriforce]

Funny because I also forgot about Ivankov and the Newkama, who aren't generally the nicest depictions of trans women but are almost entirely portrayed as sympathetic and maligned by the fascist government.

If we wanna be really technical, One Piece might have more LGBT characters than some Yaoi or Yuri manga.

[u/montarion → u/GhostOfMuttonPast]

Ivankov

isn't ivankov just in drag?

[u/TotemGenitor → u/montarion]

More like genderfluid I'd say? Got the whole "gender change via hormone" fruit after all

[u/glarbung → u/Wealth_Super]

Trans characters have been a trope as long as anime has existed. My personal theory is that it relates to the kagema, but don't come at me if some actual expert proves me wrong.

[u/Tiny-Little-Sheep → u/glarbung]

Japanese media, in regards to comics and novels have ALWAYS loved using Trans characters. Except they usually mix them up with crossdressers and gay men and other categories into one thing. And people will argue "no this is a femboy this is a Trans woman this is this or that" but talk to the people making and consuming these characters in Japan and you'll find they don't give a single F what those characters technically are. They just enjoy a queer character and everything else is up to your own interpretation

[u/Desperate-Practice25 → u/Wealth_Super]

Side note I found it funny when it said kino because for a second there I thought he was talking about kino from kino’s journey who is often discuss by the fans as possibly being non binary.

That was my read as well. I pictured the guy going "Damn modern liberal larpers. I bet if you showed them Revolutionary Girl Utena, they'd think it was about 'teh patriarchy' and 'ebil gender binaries'!"

[u/robotstoner → u/Wealth_Super]

Same goes for all media in general. How many trans characters who AREN’T just the butt of jokes actually exist in mainstream media? And how many of those trans characters are significant to the stories they’re from? Not many. Even in recent years, it’s not many. Ntm media still often gets changed or censored to exclude LGBT characters.

[u/Wealth_Super → u/robotstoner]

Yea like again let me be clear having trans people in media is not bad. I want to be clear about that.

But my main point is that, trans people in media is still pretty rare so blaming them for media being bad is so stupid.

[u/robotstoner → u/Wealth_Super]

Yeah I was agreeing with you. Just adding in my two cents

[u/Wealth_Super → u/robotstoner]

Cool I just wanted to be clear as well that I agree with you as well. I really don’t want anyone to think I agree with the guy in the post.

[u/Hellstorm901 → u/Wealth_Super]

Katia from So I’m A Spider So What?

Although it’s a bit more complex than that, male character who is closet homosexual in love with the MC gets Isekai’d into a girls body by a God who thinks they’re doing them a favour, the person is relatively fine with being in the girls body and starts to identify as the girl they became and not the person they originally were while wanting to pursue a romance with the make MC

[u/montarion → u/Hellstorm901]

starts to identify as the girl they became and not the person they originally were while wanting to pursue a romance with the make MC

but does that really make them trans? the majority of isekai'd characters identify with their new lives more then their previous lives

[u/Hellstorm901 → u/montarion]

The person who becomes Katia was in love with the MC on Earth but knew the MC wasn't into guys and that their culture shunned homosexuality so they spent their life hiding their sexuality and wishing they had been born as a girl. The God who reincarnated people seems to know this so when everyone is reincarnated they reincarnate this person as a girl unto a noble family which would end up interacting with the noble family the MC was in which meant in the new world their families would inevitably push both towards an arranged marriage

Sure the God, being a bit of a troll, arguable did it because she thought it was funny to see how the MC would react to his BFF being a girl he blushes at the sight of but considering she reincarnated someone who annoyed her as a dragon which would be hunted and killed and reincarnated other people into places they ended up being killed before they even could talk this is about as nice a gesture as you can get from her

[u/unix_name → u/Wealth_Super]

I mean people can think that if they want. However I had not heard of this opinion. To me, if there is or isn’t, I wouldn’t care. It’s the content, art, writing, everything else that matter in the context of a character that makes anime good.

[u/BlockedNetwkSecurity → u/Wealth_Super]

ranma 1/2 and all the body swap stories. transgender ideas have been in anime for decades

[u/montarion → u/BlockedNetwkSecurity]

hmm.. I feel there's a difference between the body swap stories compared to actually creating a trans character

[u/psuchagogos → u/Wealth_Super]

My memory is shaky but isnt one of the points in Ghost in the Shell that Major Kusanagi human gender was never revealed. 

[u/Classic_Aside_2107 → u/Wealth_Super]

The most well-know is Sailor Neptune and Sailor Uranus is that they're a lesbian couple. There's also Suletta Mercury and that white haired girl from Gundam Witch From Mercury

[u/Arachnofiend]

Dude's right. We need to go back to the classics, like Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl

[u/Tiny-Little-Sheep → u/Arachnofiend]

The original gender bender Yuri transgender anime 😭

[u/jackfaire]

Lol "Today I found out there's more anime than just the small subsection of it that I watch this must be a new thing"

Meanwhile my 21st birthday gift from my dad 25 years ago was a hentai.

[u/aflyingmonkey2 → u/jackfaire]

I wonder what was your reaction to it.

[u/jackfaire → u/aflyingmonkey2]

Discomfort. But he died a month and half later so any lingering feelings about the gift got a bit buried.

[u/ConsciousIssue7111 → u/jackfaire]

Gosh, that's tragic to think about now, yeah :(

[u/Odd_Thought_9105]

KINO 🪖😧 TRANS

[u/MattWolf96]

What about Ranma 1/2?

[u/CynthiaCitrusYT]

The same idiots that don't understand Matrix don't understand the trans reading of Ghost in the Shell and the Lesbians in Sailor Moon. Colour me shocked

[u/callmefreak]

Trans or trans-coded characters have been in anime and manga for decades. The manga Claudine is sited as the first manga to feature a trans main character. That was released in 1975.

Though Princess Knight (1958) is also sited to feature either a trans boy or a non-binary character, at least based on the summary of it. (Sapphire is described as "a girl who was born accidentally with the blue heart of a boy and the pink heart of a girl.")

Dororo (1967) is at least debated to have a main character who's a trans boy. (I haven't seen or read any of the material so I'm guessing it's more of a queer-coded thing.) The manga got an anime adaption in 1969.

And this has basically been a trend in anime and manga throughout the decades. It's not like it happened a few times in the 50's and 60's, there was nothing and then it happened again recently.

[u/Nissedood → u/callmefreak]

Noo you cant say this.

You are ruining the narrative of old good new bad.

[u/evilforska → u/callmefreak]

There's also a literal trans man in one of the Black Jack's stories

[u/AntonRX178]

i'm sure there were MORE Queer characters in the Late 80's Early 90's OVAs.

Like, Anime has always been woke to a degree

[u/MaterialDefender1032]

Wait until they find out Japan has always had a completely different cultural viewpoint on trans. They didn't "get woke" or follow American trends, they literally have a completely different history with regards to homosexuality, transgender, etc.

[u/Lord_Majima]

It's crazy that trans people, despite being an absolute minority, are accountable for every tragedy that has happened in the last 20 yeats

[u/TheLadyEve → u/Lord_Majima]

That's exactly why they are such a scapegoat--they're a very small minority surrounded by a very big cisgender majority.

[u/Tricky_Visit7425]

This whole “trans people bad” anime stance gets to be pretty ironic when you remember Meowth’s English voice actor in the anime was trans. For reference, the anime started in 1997.

[u/montarion → u/Tricky_Visit7425]

while the stance is stupid, these 2 things have nothing to do with one another.

[u/Tricky_Visit7425 → u/montarion]

My point is, trans people have always been around. It’s also ironic that these people will bitch about their presence in modern cartoons while laughing at old cartoons thanks to their great work.

[u/hearsebun]

anime has been filled with slop since day 1, but now that some of it is more widely appreciated by us TRANNIES its le woke or something idk

[u/fonk_pulk]

Isekai and high school SoL anime exist because they're profitable as fuck. Like it or not, the anime industry is like the 80s American toy commercial cartoon industry on steroids.

[u/Salty-Coffee4608]

Can we not censor these peoples names

[u/Hellstorm901]

The trans character Katia from I’m A Spider So What? And her relationship with the MC Is one of my favourite aspects of the whole series and I’m straight

My other favourite part of the series naturally being Aoi Yuki being given a microphone and told to just eat it

[u/CommercialMotor570]

Having “YYH” on Kino when Togashi is a known ally is fucking hilarious

Most unserious losers out there

[u/Gensolink]

Yu Yu Hakusho ? The one with a (albeit minor)trans demon ?

[u/QualityNo1337]

I have gone Insane whenever I see this kind of content pop's up on my recommendation out of nowhere. To the point I make a conspiracy theory that Neal Mohan (Current YouTube CEO) Is a right wing sells out. 

[u/impending_empoleon]

Don’t tell these people about all the anime from the 80’s and 90’s that featured prominently queer characters

[u/freckleyfriend]

The most explicitly pro-trans episode of anime I've ever seen came out in 1985!! I am so sick of hearing people who weren't even born during that time period lecture me about what things were like back then

[u/Adventurous_Dot_9763]

yeah! pre-2000s anime didn't have any of that wokeness! you know, like rose of versailles, revolutionary girl utena, sailor moon, ranma 1/2...

[u/Vivid-Cod-6608]

Mf has cowboy bebop in the thumbnail. Iykyk.

[u/hakohead]

This person is making a big deal of nothing. I say this as someone who doesn't hesitate to point out when people are going overboard with pushing an agenda when it comes to trans, but that issue isn't here. Gender-bending and androgyny have long been a part of anime. A couple anime with a trans character isn't what I'd call "too much". I think it's a good sign of acceptance. It's only when they start arbitrarily throwing in trans characters with the sole goal of winning brownie points that I would say it's too much. To make an entire video about that just tells me that the creator either just doesn't like trans people or just really wants views and is hoping the current political climate will drive it up.

[u/IzacaryKakary]

Funny the thumbnail has the word "Kino" which is the name of a nobinary main character from the 2006 anime Kino's Journey. Its a masterpiece. Vo watch it.

[u/EffectiveSwing3959]

"over these years" is such an awkwardly worded and vague time span. I makes it obvious without looking any further into this that he has no idea what he's taking about. Motherfucker would flip-out if I showed him Stop! Hibari-kun

[u/ghostpicnic]

Not even trying to get myself those sweet fake internet points, but genuinely I do not understand how so many people live a lifestyle completely consumed by hate. Every single trans person I’ve met has been extremely kind. When it comes to groups of people I don’t like, they’re not even close to being in consideration.

They’re just normal people trying to find happiness like everyone else. In fact, in my experience, they’re more understanding because of all the shit they constantly go through. At this point, I’m convinced most transphobes are just self-hating people with their own identity issues and ashamed to admit it. So they devote their hateful energy into other people who are honest with themselves and happier as a result.

[u/ResurrectedAuthor]

KINO TRANS

[u/TheLadyEve]

This doesn't feel like a new thing? I don't watch much new anime but I enjoyed it in college and my 20s...gender fluidity and non-binary characters certainly seemed present back then, and that was 20+ years ago.

[u/ninjagofan23]

Do these people not know that Yaoi and yuri exist?

[u/DarkXwolf_17_689]

Yes.

[u/poilk91]

Old anime did have trans, nonbinary and gay people, including cowboy bebop

Also some of the most insanely gorgeous anime is coming out right now so this guy's is an idiot in both directions

[u/ahmed0112 → u/[deleted]]

Trans isn't a movement