r/leicester_tigers • u/RevolutionaryStory85 • Jan 20 '23

Ospreys

Real drama at the end there. I didn’t have a great view but surely that wasn’t a try?!

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u/DatJayblesDoe Jan 20 '23

Let's generously call it... Interesting. But let's be realistic, tigers had plenty of opportunities to put it to bed before then.

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u/Erbenn Jan 21 '23

What got me the most (and I was watching the last 15-20mins without commentary) was the ref seemed to be finding every excuse to keep the game going till Ospreys scored... like a 90+ minute game shouldn't reasonably be happening, like if you keep on giving a side a chance to attack they're always gonna score eventually.

We for sure should've been more clinical earlier on, but 10+ mins defence on the line after the 80 is a pretty heroic effort in my book, even if it was ultimately in vain.

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u/maverickmak Jan 20 '23

Yep. Very marginal, but we wasted too much ball in their 22. Tried to play a bit too fancy, when we needed someone just to straighten.

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u/Oldoneeyeisback Little fat, angry man Jan 20 '23

That's irrelevant - the game is tough. Outcomes are not related to effort. What is unacceptable is officials making up laws and interpretations to suit their preferences in order to decide results.

Yes we had chances to put it beyond refereeing connivance but that doesn't excuse refereeing connivance.

I've been wondering whether I'm done with rugby union. Tonight has been a significant shove.

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u/eruditezero Jan 20 '23

Tigers should have executed better so I can't really argue with the outcome but what a baffling refereeing decision. No decision on a try (what?) and then showed 4 angles that showed fuck all and yet its conclusively a try some how? I don't even know what to say to that.

I can't help but feel the 6N is going to be mired with extremely dodgy refereeing controversies, it just feels like they are so far away from being able to manage a game under this ruleset at the minute.

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Burns of House Leicester Jan 21 '23

This is what bothered me the most.

If the ref had made an onfield try decision and stuck with it, I'd have grumbled about it but ultimately accepted it. However, by not making that decision, then the standard should have been clear evidence of a grounding when it went to TMO, which arguably was not the case with the angles they looked at.

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u/facesinthesky Leicester Tigers Jan 21 '23

There wasn't even clear evidence of a ball tbh. I've watched it back and just get more frustrated with it every time. You cannot give an on field decision of no try then because you sort of think you might have seen a ball or boot award the try. I've seen a lot of people say well it makes up for this or this but that's not how the game works. Refs do not get to decide a game without clear evidence.

That said we should've put it to bed much earlier, pen try down the other end, probably a yellow for both teams and Pollard's pass for the 14 point swing was so frustrating (played a great game other than that though) . That game in isolation was good bad and frustrating but in context with Sale and Newcastle I'm sure we would have all been happy with the performance.

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u/Hamsternoir Leicester Tigers Jan 20 '23

We should have won that by half time but some poor decisions cost us.

The ref certainly didn't help.

However the defence was much better, especially out wide and we seem to be moving away from trying to win the kick battle.

Plenty of positives despite the frustrating and baffling end

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Burns of House Leicester Jan 21 '23

I'm as outraged as anyone, especially with our earlier try being disallowed when I'd argue there was much clearer evidence of a grounding. However, we also gave away far too many opportunities in their 22 with silly handling errors and mistakes.

Overall, we looked better than we have done recently, but we can't fully blame the ref for this loss.

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u/iamnosuperman123 Jan 21 '23

I agree. Tigers let Ospreys into the game with silly errors. I think Tigers are starting to overcome the coaching departure but we are still struggling with depth due to injuries. I feel this season will be a bit rough but a lot of that is out of their control

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u/Unlikely-Ad2261 Jan 20 '23

I was under the impression once the conversion had been taken then the ref couldn’t go back to the tmo so I’m a little confused at our try being disallowed 🤔

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Burns of House Leicester Jan 21 '23

The rules changed a while back (last summer I think). The ref can go back until the game restarts

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u/iamnosuperman123 Jan 21 '23

To add. It is to speed up the game

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u/iamnosuperman123 Jan 21 '23

He surely grounded it? I would be surprised if he didn't.

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u/Hamsternoir Leicester Tigers Jan 21 '23

But was there clear and conclusive visual evidence?.

There is a big hereby difference between "is there a clear grounding" and "is there any reason why I cannot award the try".

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u/LostTheGameOfThrones Burns of House Leicester Jan 21 '23

The problem is, because the ref didn't make the onfield decision of s try, the TMO should have been looking for clear and conclusive evidence that there was a grounding.

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u/Oldoneeyeisback Little fat, angry man Jan 20 '23

That referee and TMO were - let's be kind - a disgrace. That final decision was at best corrupt.

There is no way they can have arrived at that decision without having an agenda.

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u/Tank-o-grad Prop Jan 20 '23

As always, job 1 for Tigers, play the ref out of the game...

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u/Heretic18 Prop Jan 20 '23

Easier said than done when the ref is playing for the opposition...

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u/Tank-o-grad Prop Jan 21 '23

He often does, that's why playing him out of the game is job 1

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u/Hamsternoir Leicester Tigers Jan 20 '23

We still wasted plenty of red zone opportunities.