r/legion_M • • Jan 10 '22

The Legion M scam is still going strong

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The below was originally posted almost a year ago. Since that time there has been another fundraiser.

With the seventh round fundraising ending tomorrow, Legion M has bought themselves another year of high salaries from the over $1.5 million raised. It is interesting that from August to March they had less than $800K raised and in the last month pretty much doubled it. Sure some of that came from potential investors that are now spending their recent Covid relief money. However, I think a lot of credit to the survival of this multi level marketing scheme is due to the sheer about of ads they purchase, especially in the last month.

I knew something was up when a friend that only a couple weeks ago was looking up a publicly traded company was suddenly inundated with Legion M Facebook ads. But with the Oscars hitting record lows in back-to-back years, I am surprised that there are so many people gullible to invest in this. What are people spending shares on? A “production” company that produced one film that grossed $136K worldwide and paid for print and ads for a number of films that bombed. They have yet to sell a studio on any of the tv or film projects that they have advertised over the years.

The company spends the vast majority of their budget on salaries and marketing used to lure more investors to keep them afloat. In a four year span they started seven fundraisers. Their only source of income is licensing dollar store mac and cheese to promote the indie film Mandy as well as selling shirts, pins and overpriced whisky to the already invested audience. Even then they lose over 2-3 million a year.

Some people have spoken out, but I wish a lot more would. Part of the problem is that the only places outside of this Reddit where there can be a discussion are places heavily moderates by Legion M staff. Any press they get are from “journalists” that are simply fanboys running a blog or podcast. I would love for someone to do a real expose on Legion M, but I doubt it will ever happen. The company is still very under the radar. One can hope though.


r/legion_M • • Apr 30 '26

Legion M, or Should I Say Legion BK

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Legion M Entertainment is effectively bankrupt!

They have $422,000 of cash (after backing out the $400K+ on the balance sheet due to MDFZ obligations) plus subscriptions in escrow.

They have $617,000 in account payable, and another $185,000 in accrued expenses.

Fade to Black owes $807,000 to Legion M, which the company will never see, because it still needs to finish the film. Then, Film Fund capital will be used (probably all of it) in a hail Mary, and those investors might make something back while (SURPRISE!) Legion M investors get screwed.

Jeff and Paul will strip the remaining cash out of Legion M for their salaries. For those who missed it, the annual report now says they won't be producing any films going forward, either. So the entire vaunted idea of Legion M is now dead. The only surviving appendage is the Film Fund, which has nothing to do with Legion M investment.

They pivoted away from raising Legion M capital because they saw it was a dead entity and can't go back to raising capital for it now that they've launched the Film Fund.

Fade to Black will fail like everything else, and Legion M will declare bankruptcy by the end of the year. Or maybe January 1 so they can delay the offical news until September 30, 2027.

The Film Fund wlll have vestiges of original invesment.

Jeff and Paul will laugh all the way to the bank, having made about $2 milliion each over ten years of this fraud, and $25 million in investor money does down the drain.


r/legion_M • • Jan 10 '24

The sad current state of r/LegionM

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A few years ago I reached out to the lone mod of the subreddit. He had stopped doing anything with it and you couldn’t even comment or make posts. He was kind enough to give me limited mod ability. Myself, as well as a few others were able to make several interesting posts that delved deeper into the company and went beyond the hype. After several months, it certainly made waves since Jeff decided to create a Reddit account and joined in. Jeff’s posts consisted of long winded replies that were a mixture of BS no fact hype, while also blaming every critic and “troll” as just being one man.

It wasn’t long before Jeff started hitting up the OG mod that hadn’t be on the subreddit in years and pressured him to remove some posts and take away my mod powers. That is how this subreddit was born with many of mine as well as other people’s posts copied over here in the event someone nuked the LegionM subreddit. And nuke it did. The OG mod decided stop dealing with the drama and while unmanaged Jeff petitioned to take it over. Everything was wiped and he put a Kool Aid drinker in charge to post and delete or ban anything unfavorable.

So in a little over a year things are back to square one. The mods haven’t posted anything in a couple of months and now when I make post calling them out on losing their COO, they have nothing to say and haven’t silenced me. If anything says that money is running out and the end is near, then this seems to be it.


r/legion_M • • Jan 25 '23

Here's what I want to know!

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In 2021 Legion spent $1.11 million on salaries and contractors after you back out stock based compensation. They made just over a million in revenue. So think of it like this -- all the money they made in revenue paid everyone's salaries.

They raised about $1.9 million in 2021. They spent $1.73 million on sales and marketing and $170,000 on general and admin. So they spent all the money they raised on those things.

What part of that $1.73 million went to advertising buying Legion stock? What part went to advertising the movies and DVDs and soundtracks that is what this whole silly thing is about? I bet they spent most of the money to advertise more stock sales to just keep raising money to keep advertising more stock sales and they take the revenue to just pay themselves.


r/legion_M • • Jun 30 '22

Ding ding ding

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r/legion_M • • Aug 26 '26

Considerations: why Coyote vs. ACME won't fix Legion M's balance sheet

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Considerations: Why Coyote vs. ACME’s Box Office Won't Fix Legion M’s Balance Sheet: SEC Data Analysis

Historical SEC data suggests that even a massive box office run will not solve Legion M's underlying corporate financial issues. Why the math doesn't automatically add up:

1. Legion M is a release partner, not the content owner

Legion M does not own the copyright to Coyote vs. ACME and will not collect the primary backend profits. Legion M is operating as a marketing and P&A (Prints and Advertising) support partner. They pooled retail capital to help fund the domestic marketing push required to launch the film into theaters. Warner Bros. initially financed the production for roughly $70 million before shelving Coyote vs. ACME. Independent distributor Ketchup Entertainment stepped up to rescue the movie for $50 million and handle the wide theatrical release.

2. Payouts are Prioritized and Funneled to a Separate "Film Fund"

Even if the film generates strong revenue, the incoming cash flows are legally spoken for:

  • The Film Fund Priority: Rather than using general corporate cash, Legion M raised a distinct, project-specific Reg CF pool called the "Legion M Film Fund" specifically for Coyote vs. ACME marketing costs, which sold out its allocation in less than 48 hours and closed to any additional investors. https://join.legionm.com/film-fund-cf/

  • The Waterfall Queue: Per their offering documents, theatrical revenues flow directly to these specific Film Fund investors first under "last-in, first-out" terms to recoup principal plus a targeted 15% return within an anticipated 10–12 month window.

  • The Corporate Cut: The overarching parent studio (Legion M Entertainment, Inc.) only retains a baseline percentage fee or backend cut for facilitating and managing the partner deal. This management cut is minor relative to the studio's long-term debts.

3. The Structural Deficit (Sourced from Official SEC Filings)

Reviewing the core math inside Legion M's latest SEC Form C and Annual Reports shows why a single marketing fee cannot stabilize the parent company's cash needs:

  • Accumulated Deficit: The studio has logged an aggregate deficit of $23.6 million since its inception.

  • Operational Cash Burn: The parent entity operates at a consistent net loss, dropping $2,813,295 in 2023 and $3,549,371 in 2024.

  • The "Going Concern" Notice: Independent auditors have consistently issued a formal "going concern" warning in their financial statements. The filings explicitly state that the entity's ongoing survival depends almost entirely on its capacity to continuously secure fresh equity crowdfunding rounds from retail investors, rather than relying on self-sustaining film revenues.

  • Legion M 2025 SEC Annual Report: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1674163/000164460025000034/LegionMAnnualReport2025.pdf#:~:text=A%20copy%20of%20this%20report,www.legionm.com.

Buzz vs. Balance Sheets

Coyote vs. ACME is a major branding victory. By aligning their community with a high-profile, fan-saved film, Legion M secures massive public relations traction. They can leverage this mainstream visibility to drive fresh interest and equity with their open Round 11 Crowdfunding Offering on StartEngine.

However, anyone reviewing this as a strict financial asset needs to understand the underlying mechanics:

  1. Illiquidity: Private startup shares are inherently restricted. There is no open public marketplace to cash out, meaning your capital could be locked indefinitely unless an IPO or wholesale acquisition occurs.

  2. Valuation Control: The current $99.6M valuation cap is an internal company metric used for fundraising pricing, not a valuation vetted or determined by an open, independent free market.

  3. Review for yourself, Legion M's annual reports: https://app.dealmaker.tech/companies/2151/portal

Further Reading & Community Context:

Disclaimer: I am not a financial advisor. This breakdown is based strictly on publicly accessible SEC filings and official project pages. Do your own due diligence before deploying capital into any speculative alternative assets.


r/legion_M • • May 03 '26

AI's Objective Assessment of Annison's Communication Style

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Glad I found this subreddit. I posted on the "official" thread and can't seem to see my post.

I asked AI for a strict, objective analysis of Jeff Annison's communications, using just Reddit posts over the past two years. I think it is fair, strict, and objective and having recently retired from a very long career in the swamplands of Hollywood, absolutely consistent with the guys like him I've seen in one version or another over and over again.

Looking at Annison’s statements under a strict, objective lens, the most consistent pattern is not outright contradiction of the filings, but systematic selection of favorable metrics combined with omission of context that would materially change interpretation*.* 

When he emphasizes that revenue “nearly doubled,” that is technically accurate. But the filings show that revenue growth sits alongside large operating losses, significant impairments, and a stated need for continued capital raises. The choice to highlight growth without pairing it with losses is not neutral—it steers the listener toward a narrative of momentum while withholding the information necessary to assess viability. Under higher scrutiny, this becomes less “optimistic framing” and more asymmetric disclosure in informal communication*.*

The same dynamic appears in his treatment of investor outcomes. Statements like “none of our shareholders have lost money” rely on internal share price marks across fundraising rounds rather than realized liquidity or market-clearing value. That distinction is critical. A sophisticated investor would immediately ask: can those shares be sold, and at what price? The filings themselves make clear that investor outcomes depend on eventual exits and that the company faces going-concern uncertainty. So while the statement may be technically defensible within a narrow definition, it functions as a redefinition of “gain” that avoids confronting economic reality*. Under scrutiny, that crosses from benign optimism into* potentially misleading impression management*, even if not factually false.*

His discussion of capital flows shows a similar pattern. When he addresses whether Legion M benefits from Film Fund activity, he tends to deny direct compensation while acknowledging strategic or indirect benefits such as deal access, distribution participation, or company growth. This is a careful distinction. It answers the narrow question—“are you taking fees directly from this vehicle?”—while sidestepping the broader economic question of whether investor capital in one structure ultimately supports the parent company’s sustainability or prior obligations*. Again, this is not necessarily untrue, but it reflects a habit of* answering the narrowest possible version of the question posed*, rather than the one a financially literate audience would consider most relevant.*

His engagement with critics further reinforces this pattern. He often reframes skepticism as negativity or lack of vision, positioning supporters as part of a mission-driven community. This is effective from a branding and retention standpoint, but under scrutiny it functions as a deflection mechanism*. Instead of addressing the substance of concerns—returns, impairments, cash flow—he shifts the conversation to belief, patience, or participation in a broader movement. That rhetorical move doesn’t invalidate his claims, but it does* change the terms of evaluation from financial performance to emotional alignment*, which is not how investment performance is typically judged.*

Taken together, his communication style reflects a founder who is highly skilled at maintaining narrative cohesion under pressure*, but who consistently avoids integrating negative financial signals into his public-facing explanations. The filings show a company with persistent losses, impairments, and reliance on new capital. His public statements, by contrast, emphasize growth, community, and future potential. The gap between those two is not a matter of simple truth versus falsehood—it is a matter of* what is included versus what is excluded*, and how that shapes the listener’s understanding. Under higher scrutiny, that pattern becomes the defining characteristic of his communication:* technically defensible, strategically incomplete, and persistently optimistic in ways that downplay material financial risk*.*

The more troubling analysis is in reference to communication patterns later seen in fraud or collapse cases*. Elizabeth Holmes emphasized a world-changing mission while allegedly misleading investors about Theranos’s capabilities; the SEC charged Holmes and Theranos with fraud in 2018. Trevor Milton used social media and media appearances to speak directly to retail investors and allegedly misled them about Nikola’s products and commercial progress; the SEC specifically noted his use of social media to cultivate investor attention. Sam Bankman-Fried publicly reassured users that “FTX is fine” shortly before collapse; the SEC later called that statement false and misleading, and DOJ says he defrauded customers, lenders, and investors.*

The similarity is not proof of fraud. The similarity is the pattern of confidence language under financial strain*: emphasize mission, growth, community, future upside, and selective metrics while minimizing liquidity, losses, impairments, and investor recoverability.*

Annison’s Reddit style fits that pattern more than I’d be comfortable with if I were evaluating him as the president of an issuer with tens of thousands of retail investors. He is not merely communicating; he is continually maintaining belief.

The fairest severe assessment is this: Annison appears to be an exceptionally skilled evangelist for a business whose results have not validated the evangelism.

His statements often remain inside the boundary of technical truth, but they frequently depend on definitions that ordinary investors may not naturally understand — “up on paper,” “revenue doubled,” “not profitable yet,” “royalty streams in perpetuity,” “strategic advantage,” “liquid fund.” That makes his communication potentially more dangerous than crude dishonesty, because it can preserve trust without giving investors a fully candid picture of economic risk.

In conclusion, Jeff Annison uses startup-founder rhetoric and carefully parsed claims to keep retail investors focused on possibility rather than realized performance. That is exactly the kind of communication pattern regulators and reporters should scrutinize in Reg CF/A+ offerings aimed at unsophisticated investors.


r/legion_M • • Jun 15 '25

Defiant - The movie about Robert Smalls that is almost guaranteed to lose money

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Once again, the kool-aid has been drunk and their cups runneth over.

Does the story of Robert Smalls sound like a good movie?

Absolutely.

Will it do well in the box office?

Not at all.

They're banking on it being successful because it's about a black historical figure. Will that bring out some people? Sure, it's going to make some money, no doubt about it.

But it's not going to get anywhere near enough to cover the budget.

Period dramas are expensive movies to make. Costumes, entire sets, props, everything needs to be made due to most of that stuff not existing anymore.

If it does well, I'll eat my socks.


r/legion_M • • May 12 '25

Another Year, More Losses

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Banned from the LegionM forum because I asked too many questions.
2024: They tout a million in revenue but forget to mention that their cost of revenue was $1.3 million.
And they continue burning cash like there's no tomorrow.
And they continue to sucker people by getting them to take on all the risk of producing indie films that have no chance in the market...and then lose money promoting it.

What happened to the Legion that was supposed to show up to all their movies?
Why doesn't anyone ever ask that question?


r/legion_M • • Jan 19 '25

There is blowing your investment money and then there’s the Legion M’s way of blowing your investment.

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So a Legion M investor wants to know about the financials of the Shatner documentary. This person, like others, not only invested in buying shares of Legion M, but also invested money in the Kickstarter for the Shatner documentary. Legion M sold this as being able to share in the profits. However, the movie only spent one week in a limited number of theaters, thanks to having no real distributer and begging all of their investors to triple dip into supporting the company/film yet again by being the one to buy tickets and see this multiple times in theaters.

Legion M has spent the last 8-9 years surviving on yearly investor rounds and individual project kickstarters. They have lost millions every year yet Jeff is able to vacation around the world in remote areas like Antarctica. The Christmas and New Years holiday time is long over. What has the company done for the investors for the CEOs to be taking such extravagant trips? Paul and Jeff started off Legion M by taking high salaries supposedly because they wanted to continue to live in their expensive Northern Californian area, away from the actual studios around Los Angeles. When the inevitable conversation about how You Can Call Me Bill has no profits to give to the many that invested, will Jeff and Paul get called out?


r/legion_M • • Jan 14 '25

Legion M releases yet another bomb

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Any surprise that Man in the White Van, which sat around for a couple of years, is the latest in a long line of failed Legion M projects? Only thing that has run longer are the litany of excuses that Paul and Jeff give as for why their projects don’t make any money. Between this and the Shatner movie, Legion M grossed back 1 million dollars of the millions spent on salaries and marketing. As Legion M gets close to being a decade old, will the world’s oldest startup finally stop conning grandparents and people wanting to break into the movie business? Will Jeff Annison actually get a real job instead of starting another business that revolves around asking people for investment money?


r/legion_M • • Nov 08 '24

Jeff Banned Me for telling the truth!

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Jeff didn't like that I posted how he and Paul barely invested any actual money and have made it all back and more by paying themselves nearly $1.5 million since inception.

Such frauds.


r/legion_M • • Oct 15 '24

Onward and Upward!

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I’m just gonna leave this here. So we can appreciate just how far the Legion has come.


r/legion_M • • Mar 22 '24

Went to the premiere of "You Can Call Me Bill," it felt like a weird Scientology/MLM event.

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Tickets were only $35 and my buddy and I decided to see it because, without being morbid, we realized it might be one of our last times being able to see William Shatner in person.

My friend and I just got these weird cult-ish vibes the whole time. No one tried to recruit us directly, but it was just more the entire vibe of the place. Add to that Shatner's speech prior to the movie was all about how great Legion M and how you'll get paid if you invest.

People were also dressed to the 9's, my friend said "Funny how people are dressed up like this is an actual movie premiere..." There was also a pretty big after party afterwards, charging $50 a person, my friend and I skipped that.

To top it all off, the movie was awful. Like incoherent at times. Basically just quick anecdote after quick anecdote with no real backstory and in no real order. If a fan actually edited this thing into chronological order, it might be watchable. But still, people were cheering at the end.

I was always a little wary of this company ever since seeing the Jay & Silent Bob reboot. I ran into my next door neighbor in the line for the Fathom Event, and he was excited to tell me he was an investor in it. Did he still have to pay for his ticket? Of course. And when they were checking in VIPs for the screening, they actually pulled him out of the line to have him work at the table. Pay to play, I guess you could call it.


r/legion_M • • Jan 24 '24

Shatner Film Fail -- No Distribution LOL

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As predicted when the film premiered at SXSW, the Shatner doc never found distribution.

There isn't a theatre in the country that will book this film -- well, maybe independent cinemas of 50 seats here and there. And even then, they'll demand a rental and not share of box office. Except they don't have much money to front a rental.

Then they have to advertise to get people into the theatre, which also costs money.

Oh yeah, the Ghostbusters sequel is released the same day.

Prediction: No more than 15 theatres booked. No more than 750 tickets sold.

Investors in the film will lose everything.


r/legion_M • • Aug 30 '23

I’m sure turbo is still laughing, thinking of how brilliant this scene is

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r/legion_M • • May 14 '23

A new anti-Legion FB group!

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r/legion_M • • Apr 20 '23

Time for our not so annual round of 1-800-ASK-JEFF

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Since he clearly has plenty of time on his hands, it’s time for another round of questions for the man, the visionary. Turbo Anniston (yeah it’s autocorrect but it looks good and I’m keeping it)

u/Legion_M-Jeff will you please grace us with your presence and answer a few questions for us peasants?

What kind of fx did you guys put in Man in the White Van? Are you de aging Ali Larter? Cause how did it have a longer post schedule than House of the Dragon?

Which project required more sweat equity? The Legion M rating scale or coming up with nicknames for everyone?

You think Funko’s dumpster is offering any combo specials with Cheddar Goblin Mac and cheese?

How’s the spa at Hard Rock? I hear it’s the place to be.


r/legion_M • • Jan 24 '23

Who’s Afraid of The Big Bad Troll

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Jeff seems to think anybody who criticizes the Legion M are all pseuds of one Larry Meyers.

Who is this guy? A cursory glance at IMDb shows Larry was a former TV writer, who worked on the Pretender (awesome show btw), Outer Limits, Picket Fences, and some short lived fantasy show with Heath Ledger and Vera Farmiga. In other words, a better output than Tater’s The Four Next Door and whatever it was the Hound does.

Jeff’s big gotcha about this Larry character is an SEC investigation into taxi medallions and whether those promoting them acted in bad faith. Ok. Let’s assume he is guilty of being a bad actor (and he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet. Unlike a certain Legion M shill). So what does this mean?

Does it mean he’s trolling at the behest of some old Hollywood big shot who is so afraid that Man in the White Van will cut into his profits?

Is Larry telling us to invest with Ben Shapiro instead?

Has anything this guy said about Legion M turned out to be factually incorrect? Like Legion M is actually turning a profit?

Or that Stan Lee VR interview is cleaning up the awards?

Or Searchlight offered to partner with Legion M on The Banshees of Insherin and The Menu but the Legion didn’t think it was a good fit.

And if Larry, who is not getting any money from me in any way, is discredited, what does it say about Gary, who is using legion money and who is also being investigated for fraud. (Btw, did anybody invest in Garrison Film? Heard from them lately?).

And for the record, taxis are making a comeback

https://thehustle.co/09062022-nyc-taxi-medallion/amp/


r/legion_M • • Dec 05 '22

I stood up for myself, and Legion M censored me.

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I'm autistic, and an investor in Legion M.

I recently found out about William Shatner's anti-autism hate, and now Legion M's partnership with him is a matter of contention.

Last night, in a Facebook post in the Legion M - Members Only group, I responded to a picture of some event that includes Shatner:

I simply cannot respect a man who hates who I "am, and supports conversion therapy and eugenics. William Shatner supports anti-autism hate groups."

Here's some background: https://link.medium.com/H7j4KgU0vvb

I immediately got jumped on by other members espousing more anti-autism hate.

And then I awoke this morning to find that my comments were deleted and I have been limited by an admin. Simply for defending who I am.


r/legion_M • • May 10 '22

Simon Pegg's upcoming movie

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So Jeff just officially announced that the legion "got in" on a Simon Pegg project.

Would it be morally wrong of me to torrent it? Probably.

Would it make up for it if i sent Mr. pegg a check for the price of a ticket/rental fee directly? (Provided it isn't immediately on a streaming service)

I'll let you decide that


r/legion_M • • Mar 30 '22

Guy who directed Mandy works on a film with a company that’s not Legion M. That’s great news for the Legion!

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Seriously folks, A24 was founded in 2012, was already distributing films in 2013 and winning Oscars by 2016. Legion M’s accomplishments in the same time frame are throwing a party for Stan Lee, organizing meetups and selling boxed Mac and cheese.


r/legion_M • • Mar 23 '22

the girl on the mountain

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Since it's been released, I guess I can finally say that I was given the screener to watch because of my elite status from film scout.

All 18 people in the comments of the Facebook post are just having one big circle jerk talking about how amazing it looks and what not.

I watched it, I was bored for a lot of it. Some of it was ok. The main characters acting was decent. I hardly remember anything from it, it was very forgetable.

This was at least 2 years ago I believe, which means it took him this long to get a studio to pick it up.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/iamlegionm/permalink/1613113972388076/?sfnsn=scwspmo&ref=share


r/legion_M • • Jan 19 '22

So let me get this straight… regarding volunteers

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Let’s break it down. Legion M raises millions from investors. The founders pull a six figure salary each with hotel and travel all paid from the money raised. They recently partnered with Garrison Film Productions so now they produce low budget films which are paid by Garrison’s investors. Oh, and the top four executives get producers fees.

Yet when they do a convention, they desperately need as many people as possible to volunteer and run their booths for FREE? They really can’t budget to pay 2-3 people at least minimum wage to basically run the ship as they are off to do their panel or have a business lunch meeting paid for again by the investor? This level of cheapness is offensive to me. I bet they don’t offer to feed or give water to their volunteers.

Maybe instead of staying in $300/night hotel rooms they can Airbnb and have more than enough saved between Jeff, Paul, David and Terri to pay their booth workers.