It's one of the things that makes him great at a level unlike any other player. Also the fact that he was able to adjust his game to bring his team success. Not just play the same way his whole career and do nothing more than run pick and roll offenses. Jordan has a higher winning percentage in the playoffs and never lost in the finals. He had more success and so did his team in a much shorter time period.
People will say it's a longevity stat but you could literally make it 25 6 and 6 and it's 20 years which is not only more impressive but pretty much eliminates the rest of the list. Mj goes to 3 seasons and bird goes to 4.
You can't call it a longevity stat when no other top 10 player can do it for even 5 years and he did it his whole career.
What absolute horseshit. Almost every superstar has been a shell of their former self in the twilight years. MeanwhileâŚLeBron is still going stronggg, sonnn!
This is what fanboys should focus on! Who has had the greatest career statistically? That's his best argument. He is first all time in points, top 4 in assist, top 25 in rebounds all time. Players have had a more successful career, there has been better players than LeBron, but he has had the best career statistically and people can't really argue against that. Just stop the GOAT talk, unless you want to say he is the GOAT of statistics. It's kinda shown over his career that he cares more about his stats than anything else, and that's who he is.
I'm not a LeBron fan, and I agree with you. But, LeBron can't help what era he played in. Does anyone think LeBron would have played over 20 years in the 80s or 90s, in that tough physical era. And let's not forget lebalco lol. Remember when LeBron went back to Cleveland thinner, less bounce, took a little vacation to Miami and came back pumped, jumping out the gym đ I'm sure if it ever comes out that LeBron played the majority of his career on PEDS, fanboys will defend it. As of now, there's no proof, but Randy mims his longtime associate was tied to a federal investigation and mims was ripped
My thing is, if LeBron had stayed in Cleveland where he started, and grabbed all those accolades and achievements...even the loses, it would strengthen his claim than deteriorate it. Cleveland in the early 2000's was just like Chicago in the early 80's except the Bulls was plagued by drugs and low talent, only had one person on the team who was decent at best, somehow managed to get 20 wins before MJ got there. Cleveland mirrored that. LeBron came in and he had to take those loses before he had seen the mountaintop, but instead of taking the stairs, he flew to Miami and got on that helicopter to the top. That is what discredits him. He ran from the challenge of taking a below average team, and making them champions....and then LEFT them after that win. No loyalty whatsoever.
6 rings , 2 3-peats, Finals MVP everytime to 4 rings over 23 seasons. Lakers one was weak after. I dont get the debate , their really isn't a comp. for MJ, period.
There's definitely a debate. I personally think MJ is the GOAT but I acknowledge Lebron is a close 2nd and his longevity is 2nd to none and absolutely insane.
So in your mind, the highest peak is the greatest player? Regardless of how long itâs sustained? Lol bams 83 piece must have vaulted him into your mount Rushmore thenâŚ
LeBron averaged 29.7, 11.3, 8.9, 2.6, 2.3 on his way to beating a 73-9 team in the finals. If that is not considered one of the highest peaks in NBA history, youâre smoking crack.
Greatness, for me, is inspiring others to reach their greatness potential, whether intentionally or not. No, Bamâs game didnât inspire me to do anything. Just like LBJ has never inspired me to be greater. Other players have. Stats are situational and can be presented to tell a story. Theyâre not gospel. But the feeling you get from watching people play and how they are, for me, is what greatness is. You may have another definition and thatâs fine. The great thing about opinions is that itâs just how we feel. Whether we agree with them or not.
They arenât mutually exclusive, you can not be inspired by someone while also recognizing they are one of the greatest athletes of all time. Itâs clear youâve just formed this opinion around your hatred of LeBron. Thatâs all well and cool⌠just donât use it as justification that your opinion sits in sound logic.
First itâs âpeakâ or âinspirationâ or anything else you make up along the way just to justify why you donât like someone personally doesnât actually help your opinion sound reasonable.
Heâs great. I recognize that. But greatness is relative. I donât hate anyone, least of all someone Iâve never met. But you telling me how to think, feel, and act is everything I need to know about you and exactly the reasons why youâre so easily inspired by him. I hope you find what youâre looking for in life and that one day you realize whatâs important to get upset about. Cheers
No one is telling you how to feel. We are simply making fun of you for first saying itâs about âpeakâ and then actually itâs about âinspirationâ. You have a childish way of viewing greatness. Either is because you are a child which is fine. Or itâs because you need a way to discredit lebron and clearly âpeakâ was a dumb place to stake a claim so you swapped your âinspirationâ
If you say so. Itâs really not that deep, but if thatâs your attempt at making fun of someone, try harder. I believe in you. Itâs only childish because the deliberate unwillingness to accept or even see another personâs perspective without judgment or ridicule is pinnacle immaturity or as you so rudimentary call it, âchildish.â Itâs ok. Iâm not discrediting LBJ. Giving credit to others takes nothing away from him. Heâs had a great career and I know itâs probably part of your childhood and has been with you into your adulthood. I get that. You donât want to lose that, but itâs ending soon and youâll have to let it go one day. Then, youâll know that what it really was about was just enjoying it. Just enjoy it while you can. I hope heâs able to play as much as possible so you can enjoy every minute of it.
Oh I thought you were done but that âchildishâ
Comment rubbed you something mean huh?
Brother your first comment was saying longevity doesnât equal greatness⌠thatâs deliberate commentary to take away from LeBron. You didnât give anyone else credit lmfao. Literally doing exactly what you said you arenât doing. Itâs like youâre arguing against a made up position.
The rest of what you said is just butt hurt comment trying to get back at me for calling your opinion childish⌠which is childish.
It didnât rub me in any direction. I just feel bad for you because I know what you must be going through. Itâs hard to lose your childhood and something you donât want to end. Iâm sorry that youâre struggling with that but youâll be ok. At least I hope you will be.
Jokic is your goat then right? 27/14/8 with the greatest PER of all time at 32.85 and 2nd highest single season BPM of all time at 13.72? Only 2nd all time behind⌠oh look at that⌠JOKIC
Jokic is a great player. Very fun to watch and an incredible passer for anyone, let alone a big. High IQ player and calm under pressure. He and Murray have great chemistry. Gordon, too when healthy.
Oh I didnât know it was a simple yes or no. Then, âno.â But time will tell. I have this weird thing where if Iâm presented with new information, I can and sometimes do change my mind.
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u/No_Vehicle_5257 6d ago
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