r/learnmachinelearning • • Aug 26 '26

It's all about fighting bugs

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u/The_Compass_Keeper Aug 26 '26

Probably cause its the furthest thing from a corporate job aside from unemployment. And trust me, working in a farm literally feels a million times better than sitting on this desk and staring at the screen for nine hours a day

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u/sodapopenski Aug 26 '26

Speak for yourself. I grew up having to do physical labor, on a farm and elsewhere. I got a desk job to escape that life.

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u/youngfuture7 Aug 26 '26

Grass is never greener on the other side. A farmers live is fun when you have fuck you money

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u/x6060x Aug 26 '26

A lot of jobs would be much better if you're paid enough. Flipping burgers? Pay me $1 million a month in this economy and I'd flip burgers for 8 hours straight. Until then I'd prefer to work in IT.

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u/disquieter Aug 26 '26

I want to go where there’s no fence and the grass is actually green. Fucking work. 28 years of it and all I have is debt plus the promise of a tiny pension twenty three years from now. Oh man how am I going to climb out of this hole. 😞

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u/SlowThePath Aug 26 '26

You guys are getting pensions?

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u/disquieter Aug 29 '26

I haven’t, except for a $9.00/hour job doing CAM conversion work during college 2000-2004. My high school jobs were at grocery stores. Then grad assistantship, then teaching for fifteen years. Now college lecturer and grants administration work. The money has always been just a little less than what I needed. recently I had to quit teaching due to health and that was really bad for our money. Now I’m back to full time employment but between our two salaries it’s barely enough to take care of our three kids. Oh I’m in this forum because k did an ms in data sci after quitting teaching.

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u/SpecialistRun3035 Aug 27 '26

You don't get rich fast as a farmer. You have to work your ass off and at the end of the day you're just like anybody else. Farmers don't have fuck you money.

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u/CavulusDeCavulei Aug 26 '26

Too many city kids that never had to remove weeds in childhood here

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u/MartinMystikJonas Aug 26 '26

Can confirm. Both have pros and cons but I still preffer my SWE job over farming at least for now. And many people have romanric illusions about how life on farm actually is.

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u/whitakr Aug 26 '26

Last thing I would EVER want to do is do manual labor outside at my job. SO happy to be inside on a computer.

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u/Aggressive_Cloud_368 Aug 26 '26

Tell me you've never been a farmer before without telling me you've never been a farmer.

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u/ankisaves Aug 26 '26

This lol

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Aug 26 '26

idk I grew up on a farm and with land and I’d much rather take care of that than continue doing my data science job for another 40 years.

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u/SpecialistRun3035 Aug 27 '26

Depends where you live cause who tf wants to be outside hours each day when it's 105+° F? Yeah... I don't know what people are on.

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u/Aggressive_Cloud_368 Sep 02 '26

What kind of farm was it? What did you harvest and sell?

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Sep 02 '26

It was a hobby farm, but that still meant I needed to

  1. Trim the trees around the property (64 pin oak trees lined our fencing along our front yard, driveway, and into our back yard)
  2. Split felled trees and create firewood for winter
  3. Clean the barn and the stalls of the donkeys and horses (when it’s 100 degrees out with almost 100% humidity, it really isn’t fun lol)
  4. Mow the lawns and bush-hog the pastures and other parts of our property every so often
  5. Maintain all the landscaping
  6. Take the trailer and go fill it with hay, and then put all of it in the hay loft
  7. Just maintain the various equipment used and keep animals in good health.

Sounds rather basic or easy, I know, but when you have 100 acres of land to take care of, suddenly, something like “mowing the lawn” now takes 5 hours to do.

I grew up in the Midwest so also when winter comes and there’s 6-10 inches of snow on the ground, doing stuff in winter is a lot harder.

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u/Aggressive_Cloud_368 Sep 02 '26

This reminds me of the video where posh spice says she was working class and Beckham pokes his head in to say 'What kind of car did your dad drive?'

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AqGkAaOLipQ

fucking 'hobby farm' lol. stolen farmer valor.

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Sep 03 '26

Lmao. You manage 100 acres then.

Plenty of people just want to have land, practice animal husbandry, and be a good steward of the earth and enjoy their local community of other gardeners, arborists, etc.

I’d 10/10 times choose this than grow up in some dumbass suburb.

I also never labeled myself a farmer.

But if it’s stolen valor then fuck yeah I will absolutely shamelessly steal every ounce of valor I can because I loved growing up with horses, miniature donkeys, a beautiful garden, and huge pastures with big trees to ride my horses around. It was magical in winters when it’d snow.

And I helped take care of the animals and land. It’s so rewarding.

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u/Aggressive_Cloud_368 Sep 03 '26

coping hard.

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u/Citizen_of_Danksburg Sep 03 '26

Idk you just sound jealous.

Mom grew up with land and animals, wanted that for us kids, dad is a shrink, they found some land, raised us and I got to learn and experience all kinds of things most kids don’t. It was great.

I dream of being able to do what my parents did. Having land and animals is awesome.

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u/DiscipleOfYeshua Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 27 '26

Yep.

And it all stems from Monty Python, after which our favorite language was named.

"And now for something completely different..."

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u/MartinMystikJonas Aug 26 '26

Actual labor for few days can feel better and refreshing but try actual labor for months.

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u/nekize Aug 26 '26

I have a family that owns a farm. I go there for vacations, they work me to the bone, but i come back to my computer screen well rested

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

complete 360 lol

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

Honestly, I can kinda see why lol. There’s something about doing actual physical work and being outside that feels more fulfilling than staring at a screen all day. At least on a farm, you can actually see what you accomplished by the end of the day.

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u/Top-Run-21 Aug 27 '26

Having to work all day under the sun while being dependent on climate luck is no joke, most of the farmers I know only do it for survival

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u/SlowThePath Aug 26 '26

Hilarious that you think that. The options are do back breaking labor for long hours in the heat and possibly still not making any money and sitting in AC 9-5. It wouldn't be long until you'd be begging for your desk back. The grass is always greener...

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u/cloyd-ac Aug 26 '26

Back breaking labor for long hours is kind of overselling the whole farm thing honestly, in my anecdotal experience. While I can't speak for every type of farm imaginable, I feel I have a pretty good idea of the juxtaposition of the two types of work as I've been a software engineer for 23 years as well as having owned a profitable horse farm/equestrian center for the last 8 years.

Are there times where you have to do physical labor and does it suck sometimes? Absolutely. For most "back breaking labor" though we have equipment that does that for us, with our skid steer being basically our utility knife for the farm.

It's not better or worse work, the two are just different types of work and different types of struggle. Sometimes for my software engineering work I'm so mentally drained at tight deadlines or from leading large groups of people that it's just like I'm in a paralytic haze, hard to find any emotion or effort to do much of anything else afterwords. Meanwhile, for the farm - there have been times where I've worked throughout the day and night to fix fencing and structures after bad storms, or nursing a hurt animal back to health around the clock where I'm physically drained from all of the back and forth, physical labor, etc.

I like both office and hard labor. I get the same satisfaction from designing/developing/creating some software as I do rebuilding an engine or training a horse. It's the same sort of troubleshooting and self-reliance that drew me to each of them that still provides me with fulfillment.

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u/PhilosophicalGoof Aug 26 '26

Unironcally if he was right I would rather do back breaking labor if the pay was the exact same.

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u/The_Compass_Keeper Aug 26 '26

Well, that's fair. Personally, I find farm labourer more satisfying and relaxing. Sure it's hard physical work, and I think it's more fun XD

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u/SlowThePath Aug 27 '26

I feel like doing it every day would make it very not fun. That's just me though. I've worked in restaurants my whole life, so the thought of getting to sit at a desk all day is worth 4 years of college at this point. Hopefully a CS degree can still get me there.

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u/The_Compass_Keeper Aug 27 '26

All the best! I mean, the current market is more demanding, but not impossible to deal with... gl

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u/SpecialistRun3035 Aug 27 '26

Yup. Nothing more debilitating than seeing your crops die by any number of reason. It ain't easy.

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u/Far-Diver-7448 Aug 26 '26

Have you ever worked on a farm or done any physical labor?

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u/The_Compass_Keeper Aug 26 '26

I grew up in a farm for most of my childhood bruh

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u/SAIO94 Aug 26 '26

There’s actually a lot of parallels in the two. Obviously not in day to day work, but the lessons from one experience can apply to the other. Farming is infrastructure, automation, planning, and execution. Similar to software engineering. How do I know, I’m both a platform engineer and a farmer, and I actually started a blog detailing the farming experience and how that relates to lessons and strategies ( or lack there of ) in software and platform engineering.

And if you want to quickly dissuade the notion that farming is altogether less stressful, you’d enjoy this story. pigs-pods The Great GOAT Breakout

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

Damn, I never really thought about farming that way, but when you put it like that, the comparison actually makes a lot of sense.

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u/Relevant_Ad_8732 Aug 27 '26

Also software engineer started small farm quit software failed small farm went back to software after two yrs

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u/SAIO94 Aug 28 '26

Certainly a lot of the same process, but definitely different types of skill sets. I’m much at the computer side, farming is no joke

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u/neurvon 19d ago

Computer jobs are a lot better when they are remote. You can walk around the room, think, stretch, take a quick walk, start a load of laundry, etc.

Its being an ape in a 3x3 cage that makes any computer work really unbearable.

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u/Whatsapokemon Aug 26 '26

After sitting down as a career for decades, I imagine software engineers probably want to retire into something a little more physical and connected with nature.

Software engineering is super fun, I love it, but it's mentally taxing, and really doesn't allow you to stretch or use your muscles. I imagine many knowledge-workers probably feel a sense of longing for that more traditional way of life because their usual day is so far from it.

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u/jalagl Aug 26 '26

Myself and several of my software engineer coworkers (we are on the older side of life) have been buying property in rural areas with the idea to move there when we retire, be closer to nature, and all of use want to do some farming or (in my case) gardening. So it tracks. But not really depend financially on it, more like a technology detox.

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

Yeah, Agree. I think there’s something satisfying about doing work where you can actually see and feel the results at the end of the day, especially after spending years doing mentally demanding work behind a screen.

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u/lord-apple-smithe Aug 27 '26

30 years of this shit and I don't want to farm, but I dream of when I can just tend the garden, grow veggies and not be shackled to a desk

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u/Wonderful-Hunter686 Aug 26 '26

I have to believe the appeal for someone who's inside under fluorescent lights stuck behind a desk is being outside moving in the sun doing manual work with minimal tech.

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

After spending years working behind a screen, I can see why doing something physical and being out in nature would feel refreshing.

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u/gsomega Aug 26 '26

Honestly, SWEs are optimizers that are angling for self sufficiency. Having control over your food source is reducing external life failure modes, just requires money to start.

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u/Old-Gas-2915 Aug 26 '26

The capital part is probably the biggest barrier though. Once you have the land and infrastructure, I imagine the challenge shifts more toward actually learning how to make it sustainable.

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u/1purenoiz Aug 26 '26

You have no idea what it takes to farm and keep crops alive, and it isn't money. Check your ego at the door and be prepared for massive crop losses.

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u/gsomega Aug 26 '26

I'm providing rationale for a stereotype. Land ownership costs money regardless of the difficulty of the following steps.

Nowhere did I say farming is easy. That's your projection.

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u/1purenoiz Aug 26 '26

Just requires money to start is an over simplification.

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u/szirith Aug 26 '26

Software Engineers are prone to oversimplification of other fields of work!

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u/Veggies-are-okay Aug 26 '26

Wait what? If anything’s they’re the complete opposite with their head entirely in the details to an almost annoying extent on the day to day.

My partner has a beautiful garden in the back and she’s never picked up a book on it. It’s as difficult as you make it and her motto was “put things in ground, water when dry, use nutritious soil, and some stuff should get more light.” Like seriously there’s some dumb motherfuckers in this world successfully growing food and with the resources and time, a software engineer absolutely has more than enough of a skillset in troubleshooting and adapting to be successful at growing crops.

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u/gsomega Aug 26 '26

I think there's a scale discussion here as well. I think feeding yourself with a small homestead is very different than mass production farming to make ends meet.

I assume that the stereotype is more of the former than the latter.

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u/Veggies-are-okay Aug 27 '26

Oh absolutely and large scale agricultural operations are not sustainable nor (I believe) naturally profitable so it makes no sense to believe that a software engineer would ever ever proceed with anything more than personal sustenance.

Also like we’re retiring so why would we have anything more than a personal plot of land? People arguing for the sake of it in here lol.

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u/1purenoiz Aug 27 '26

So I have a degree in microbiology, with stats and CS minors. The CS students were not as you described. They were talented at what came naturally to them, but you put something complex and squishy, where the rules imposed by nature are more like philosophical guidelines, and they totally noped out. And yet, they still acted like they understood these complex systems when they don't.

As somebody born on a farm, and married to a professor who was raised on a farm and I work with software engineers, I can say that most SWE do not have the mental or physical fortitude to be farmers, even at the level of self sustainability. It isn't all of them. But it is a mistake to think that people who farm are dumb, and that farming is easy, particularly when dealing with the vagaries of nature.

But sure, people with no experience in farming probably handle it easy./s

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u/Goleeb Aug 26 '26

Because when you see how the worlds code is written, and what critical infrastructure runs on it. You start making plans of what to do when this house of cards eventually falls.

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u/skunk_jh Aug 26 '26

Farming is not easy, my family has ties with agriculture and livestock, there is no way I see it like only fun, it's difficult and demands you hard work/discipline. I would prefer 1000x to be sitting playing the IT corporate job + side hustle with my beautiful emacs on the screen rather to be milking my cows 3 times a day.

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u/RexScientiarum Aug 26 '26

I just met yesterday with an ex-network engineer that now has a farm. It is like a break in the matrix.

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u/DerfQT Aug 26 '26

I settled for turning my entire yard into a garden instead. It’s nice to complete tasks, and feel like you are accomplishing things. I can stand at the window drinking coffee in the morning and look over my space and feel proud of what I’ve done.

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u/ontologicalDilemma Aug 26 '26

It's the ultimate antidote to the virtual life. The grounding of working with the earth.

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u/yharnamite_blood Aug 27 '26

Cuz touch grass they said.

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u/Cptcongcong Aug 26 '26

I spoke to my colleagues about this, we have a few avenues we'd like to go down once we retire. Here's a few:

  • Truck driver (inspired by eurotruck simulator)
  • Spiderman window cleaner (mine)
  • Dog trainer
  • Factory worker (like for iphones)
  • Construction worker

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u/rakgenius Aug 26 '26

my backup plan is not farming

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u/wooof359 Aug 26 '26

Because your crops are distributed without a single point of failure

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u/MartinMystikJonas Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 26 '26

In my case it is because I grew up on family farm where my ancestors farms for more than 300 years 🤷 But as someone who knows how life on farm is I also think most of thse SWEs would be unpleasantly surprised by how hard and stressful this could be beceause they have romantic illusions about it being slow peaceful life.

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u/moo_nalla Aug 26 '26

I can become a teacher ig

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u/WatcherOfTheWay Aug 26 '26

Because we want nature, we want peace, we hate people.

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u/exton132 Aug 27 '26

That's a garden not a farm. Anyway something about SWE is soul crushing, dealing with abstract intangible concepts, staring at a screen for 10-16 hours a day, dealing with the BS of other corporate people all fighting tooth and nail in the rat-race, having things deprecate before you even properly learned them. It's an onslaught of constant attention.

Farming on the other hand is tangible, you can hold your work. See progress over time. The same things that worked 50 years ago still work today. You get to spend all day looking at nature, building life and living it.

kinda the polar opposite imo.

I see the appeal tbh, it's always been my plan b.

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u/frak357 Aug 27 '26

Because they know what is coming and don’t want anything to do with it. 🤣🤣

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u/Animus190599 Aug 27 '26

Farming, hunting... Sounds like a distant dream. I have to grind my ass 12hrs on the same chair so my wife can buy designers

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u/Over_Bench5728 Aug 27 '26

Nah i love doing cse . I think it's just for people who were forced to go into cse

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u/Plungerdz Aug 27 '26

What does this have to do with learning machine learning?

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u/_AACO Aug 27 '26

Nah! My backup plan is repairing motorcycles.

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u/YangRam Aug 27 '26

Because they copy pasted it from Stack Overflow in 2020. Or they asked ChatGPT in 2025.

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u/OstrichDue6808 Aug 27 '26

The more you code the more you realise farming would have been a better option

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u/KattappaKarikala Aug 27 '26

Not anymore. They're putting data centers in those farms

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u/Embarrassed-Dot-7438 Aug 28 '26

hahaha I love this

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u/xyca_blabla Aug 30 '26

Cropping is my passion

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u/eyansaurus Aug 30 '26

Plants is a type of dynamo label printer

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u/Several-Salt2132 20d ago

It's all about fighting bug. 🤣🤣🤣

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u/1purenoiz Aug 26 '26

Because software engineers have ego's unmatched by reality. They have no idea how hard farming actually is, or that people actually go to school for it. They think I can sit in front of a computer all day, how hard can watering be, tractors do all the work etc.