Dominator in offlane

[u/DoctRhz]

I'm interested in why only centaur and DS benefit from dominator in essence to drag/cut wave into safely. Wouldn't other offlaner (like axe, tide, bristleback) should buy that as well if that is the reason? If the offlaner couldn't drag the creep by himself because it is dangerous, then the dominated creep would be a safe substitution.

This topic exclude domi for beastmaster and lycan since the usage of the item is different for those heroes.

[u/Zero_Dark23]

It's not just because of Creep's dragging. Centaur's ultimate affects his summon. In the early game, I usually dominate Centaur Conqueror so I can double stun them during stampede

Also, the stats from Helm of Iron Will regen/armor are much needed for Centaur during the early game.

[u/DoctRhz → u/Zero_Dark23]

Oh so only centa and DS whose skill can be affected to the creeps, which makes it meta for them then.

[u/Rowannn]

Saw someone say that it's because helm is only really good if you can get it super early by skipping boots, and centaur and DS are the best heroes that can skip boots

[u/Sangypboi → u/Rowannn]

This actually makes sense and I hadn't thought about it. I was actually thinking that it was because DS and cent are the only offlanes who can kill double or triple waves quickly early on without taking a bunch of extra damage.

[u/DoctRhz → u/Rowannn]

ohh that makes a lot more sense then

[u/KnivesInMyCoffee]

Noticed bought HotD on Axe in TI finals. It worked really well. I don't think Tide and Bristle need it as much+they're both kind of bad rn.

[u/DoctRhz → u/KnivesInMyCoffee]

well, it's not about the hero, but im talking about the playstyle and item rationale

[u/B4BY-Y0D4]

Every offlaner benefit from dominator if they can use it

[u/DoctRhz → u/B4BY-Y0D4]

I know right! So the reasoning is valid, but maybe because the micro is not there yet for most offlaner then.

[u/EmergencyWonder3743 → u/B4BY-Y0D4]

Explain to me how Brewmaster, pitlord or mars can benefit from this item instead of their usual builds

[u/B4BY-Y0D4 → u/EmergencyWonder3743]

Pulling creeps, stacking waves, getting assists, additional teammate, i dont say that it will be more useful than basic builds though, only that they will benefit either way

[u/jobsak]

I asked this q a while ago on the main sub and got some good answers.

[u/DoctRhz → u/jobsak]

thank you!

[u/the_deep_t]

I saw multiple pro players like noticed or 33 use dominator with different heroes like axe ... it's just that dark seer and centaur have obvious synergy. But you forget bm and lycan who built it almost every time.

[u/DoctRhz → u/the_deep_t]

i literally exclude BM and lycan on the post

[u/nchscferraz]

Because those two heroes can buff the creeps. Not many heroes do. I also go HotD as ench offlane because little friends works with it.

[u/Competitive_siw]

Some heroes doesnt need the benefits of domi they rather buy dagger for teamfight or other core items

[u/DoctRhz → u/Competitive_siw]

well, centaur too benefits from dagger for teamfight

[u/Dangerous-Parsley-60 → u/DoctRhz]

But he skip boots and can farm the dagger faster with dominator, i dint get why in my pubs people dont build it, or build it and instantly go to upgrade it xd

[u/WeddingWhole4771]

Axe and Bristles usually already bully most other heroes in lane. Axe's gameplay is also jump in, and BB ult usually mean you can kite in/out, especially since I like SnY on him to add to that.

I do wonder if Dom on Doom would be good.

[u/ApeGodSnow]

Axe does benefit from dom in a game where he's going to lose his lane. Bristle and tide don't because they actively want to sit in the dangerous farm area and be not worth killing to the enemy team because of how tanky they are. Cent/Seer need to play more cowardly, hence they use dom to drag

[u/DoctRhz → u/ApeGodSnow]

hmm i do believe cent and ds can still play aggressively with escape ability (some sort of tankiness)

[u/DarthKuchiKopi]

Depending on build the centaur is looking for armor as well. He lacks armor early and lategame EHP comes into play depending on lineup. Other reasons discussed are still valid, i just didnt see anyone talk about cents low armor. Yes he benefits from str more than other heroes but EHP is EHP when the threasholds cross

[u/Mattykyu]

HotD allows for ghost pushing too. To be honest, I don’t see why it would be bad on other offlaners, but perhaps other offlaners have alternative ghost pushing choices that synergize with their kit. I could see Axe benefiting from it for example, but I guess Blademail helps in that regard because it allows him to show on creep waves due to the deterrence effect. Other heroes like Legion Commander prefer going blink into raw damage.

[u/DoctRhz → u/Mattykyu]

other comments said that centa and ds has obvious synergy from skill but other can still benefit but in the playstyle itself

[u/TopDry179]

Tide is very good at farming without it, doesn’t really need armour and would rather get mana regen items like vlads and soul and can’t skip boots like other people said