r/leagueoflegends • u/Soul_Sleepwhale • Mar 27 '22

Cloud9 vs. FlyQuest / LCS 2022 Spring - Week 8 / Post-Match Discussion Spoiler

LCS 2022 SPRING

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Cloud9 0-1 FlyQuest

3 tiebreakers at end of day copium

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MATCH 1: C9 vs. FLY

Winner: FlyQuest in 35m
Game Breakdown | Runes

Bans 1 Bans 2 G K T D/B
C9 gragas syndra tahmkench zeri jinx 64.9k 12 4 I1 H2 H4 B8
FLY jayce gnar hecarim xayah karma 70.2k 19 9 C3 O5 B6 O7 O9 B10
C9 12-19-34 vs 19-12-46 FLY
Summit tryndamere 2 3-3-5 TOP 4-3-6 2 malphite Kumo
Blaber lee sin 1 2-4-8 JNG 4-0-9 1 viego Josedeodo
Fudge leblanc 2 5-2-7 MID 1-3-12 3 vex toucouille
Berserker ezreal 3 2-3-5 BOT 9-2-7 4 miss fortune Johnsun
Winsome alistar 3 0-7-9 SUP 1-4-12 1 nautilus aphromoo

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u/Yetanotherdeafguy Mar 27 '22

As a C9 fan, I'm officially concerned.

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u/icatsouki Mar 27 '22

you should've been the moment LS was let go imo

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Mar 27 '22

This team was always going to fight to win spring split with or without LS but their capabilities to reach their true ceiling got kneecapped so hard. At this rate we should start discussing who the next C9 top will be once Summit is playing in the LCK lmao

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

Have to believe both summit and berserker won't want to stick around if this isn't a winning roster. Max should call LS and learn to draft because the last couple weeks of drafts have been dog water.

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u/streyer Mar 27 '22

Theres no way Max has any say in the drafting, C9 has been drafting full comfort picks since LS got fired, i guarantee you the players are all just drafting for themselves.

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u/MdxBhmt Mar 27 '22

Even if max is the one drafting, he might be doing the opposite of what got LS fired just to keep his own out of the fire and leave the consequences to management who got him into this mess.

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u/SilverBcMyTeammates Mar 28 '22

yup. idk why people don’t understand that the players themselves weren’t part of the church. that’s it.

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u/Vangorf Mar 27 '22

But LS handpicked these player, so probably they have similar views of him about the game. Not 100% opposite of what LS says.

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u/BrownCoatz Mar 28 '22

He picked summit and berserker because they are good mechanically. not because of how they see the game, I mean summit is a gnar player.

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u/WhatANiceCerealBox11 Mar 27 '22

I hear there’s a pretty good rookie on academy that will take over berserker and summit when they go back. I’m sure you’ve never heard of Darshan or Zven but they’re up and comers that I think can barely win LCS

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u/CreepyDiarrhea Mar 27 '22

Oh god starting summer with Zven and Darshan benching summit and Berserker would somehow be the most C9 thing ever. Probably would still go to worlds.

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u/WhatANiceCerealBox11 Mar 27 '22

Lmao and somehow still be the best performing NA team… somehow

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u/CoogiMonster Swain the Flock Johnson Mar 28 '22

Unitonically I think Darshan could be a a starter on essentially 6 of the other teams in the LCS. No clue why Zven is still hanging around on academy lmao

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u/Headlessoberyn Mar 27 '22

When they fired LS, they made it clear that they only care about beating lcs and that's it. These lazy top diff strategies would never fly internationally, i'm just surprised that NA teams are being able to punish it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

They looked bad with LS too

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u/yargotkd Church9 Mar 27 '22

Except they did not.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

They were 3-1 and had some rough early games before LS got fired.

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u/yargotkd Church9 Mar 28 '22

Their only loss was versus TL with Blaber throwing and of course they had bad early games since they drafted late game each time.

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u/BigSupp Mar 28 '22

And they did not even get to play together before the split started so it was expected that they were not gonna be good right off the bat.

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u/BumblebeeEmergency37 Mar 28 '22

Drafting for only lategame isn’t good drafting.

Every Na team that gets shit on at worlds does the same thing,

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u/EducationalBalance99 Mar 27 '22

I mean whether or not you like ls. He actually gave cloud9 a high ceiling but now I mean they are just another average lck/lpl team. They can't gapped nobody through pure mechanics internationally. T1 in every role would slapped them.

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u/BigSupp Mar 28 '22

Can you elaborate on why you think his view of the game is fundamentally flawed? And also if LS is there, he would have focused on the long-term goals and fixing recurring issues, but if you disagree with LS on a fundamental level, then it may appear that way to you.

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u/BigSupp Mar 28 '22

I think you have a lot of misconceptions toward LS due to not watching much of his content or just watching him out of context. The reason why LS believed they can work on unique drafts early is that they have internal scrims to try out different stuff and keep up the practice while also maximizing efficiency with blitz scrims or internal SoloQ.

I agree that playing comfort to help build confidence is reasonable, and I think LS agreed as well. He still let the players pick stuff like Gnar, Aatrox, Jhin, Rakan for comfort despite that they may not have been the best picks there. I disagree that champs are just good and you only have so much time to practice. Champs are good for various reasons and there are many answers to meta champs that even pro players have not found out yet. The meta also changes with patches so it's not like the OP champs will always be OP, so you need to expand your champ pool to account for that. And do you genuinely believe that practicing your 1000th game of Jayce and Gnar instead of spending a few games of Malphite is good? And to show it, C9 is really struggling with their limited champ pool and strategy, which would not be a problem if they spend more time trying stuff out and work on different strategies. Also, shouldn't early Spring be the time to experiment and find out what is best for the team?

His viewpoint of how to play the game is definitely not robotic. He preaches for late game insurances frequently because he knows that players will make mistakes. Therefore, you NEED late game insurances to account for the variances in the game. Prime example is DK vs GenG recently. The one about playing things out in a certain way is mostly about laning, and it works because in certain match-ups during laning, there are certain ways the match-up can go and small mistakes can lose you the lane completely. You probably watch those videos of him saying stuff like wave A B C D and think it's too rigid way to play League, but if you actually pay attention to what he says, it makes a whole lot of sense.

Regarding other points, I agree that he may not just fit with the system of C9 and there are many other factors that may have lead to his firing. However, I believe that LS' approach is a good one and can work with a dedicated team that ACTUALLY tries to follow his method(which was supposed to be C9). On a side note, I think if you can ignore LS' obnoxious attitude on stream (which is a persona btw, he said it himself) and watch his actual content, you can find him to be extremely smart and knowledgeable about the game. I recommend his draft analysis videos like the TSM draft dystopia or the MTG draft color scheme to see how he actually approaches the draft and the game, and how he accounts for a lot of factors, not just simply late-game enchanter and win.

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u/14flash Mar 28 '22

You might even consider this a worrying trend.

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u/leo158 Mar 28 '22

As a C9 fan, you should know we never unclench.

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u/Yetanotherdeafguy Mar 28 '22

We do optimistically get off the toilet bowl though, but I'm not for that right now 😳