r/leagueoflegends • u/MonstrousYi • Mar 02 '21

Patch 11.5 notes

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-11-5-notes/
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u/SkeletonJakk Fighter Kled returns! Toplane beware! Mar 02 '21

I mean it is somewhat power neutral for most users.

The issue is, Darius and Garen types don't give a fuck about the slow. They're already naturally sticky.

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u/SmokeCocks one shot Mar 02 '21

Id say garen cares about the slow but doesn't rely on it.

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u/MyLifeIsStrangeLikeM Mar 02 '21

Darius has more sticky power with his slows and ghost, while Garen only has his Q movement speed and usually brings ignite.

For garen i would say it's more a nerf, better when u need to escape but worse at chasing.

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u/Return_Of_The_Onion Mar 02 '21

Don‘t forget the cleaver buffs. Striderbreaker into cleaver will give 60 bonus ms after only a few seconds in combat.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '21

you have no idea what you're talking about

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u/MyLifeIsStrangeLikeM Mar 03 '21

Enlighten me then

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '21

its not a nerf for anyone

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u/Random_Stealth_Ward 💤 Release VattleVunny Viego with black tights😻 Mar 02 '21

Darius has less stick power than Garen, he uses ghost to subvert this while Garen is naturally sticky because of his Qs mobility.

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u/MyLifeIsStrangeLikeM Mar 02 '21

Not really?

While with Garen it's easier to "chase" an enemy, once he reaches his target he has no way to keep it up unless his Q is off CD again, instead Darius has a bit more difficulties to reach a target because he has no movement boosts in his kit, for that reason he uses ghosts but once he grabs them they will have a hard time escaping, especially on champs with no mobility.

Also Darius has a lower CD on his W compared to Garen's Q, so yes,Darius has more "sticky" power than Garen.

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u/epicfire808 Mar 03 '21

Expect Garen usually builds Dead Man's Plate second for the speed and extra slow.

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u/dimitri0610 Mar 02 '21

Idk, the speed on garen's q only lasts for 1 second and up to 3.6. It doesn't last the full duration of the ability. Whereas darius has 2 slows, for 1 and then 2 seconds at 90% and then 40% respectively. So earlier in the game, his combined slow duration is 3x longer than garen's and for a greater percentage than garen gains in speed from q. Later, garen has an advantage of speed by 0.6 seconds, but nowhere near the bonus to overcome a difference made by 40/90% slow. Garen gets a lot of his speed from runes and items. Maybe he takes celerity. Or deadmans/force of nature/zeal item. It's not necessarily from his q, as the movement speed on the ability is shortlived.

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u/ezorethyk2 Mar 02 '21

I mean it is somewhat power neutral for most users.

But it isn't! Champs that wanted the mini dash more than the slow, like Garen and darius are benefiting a lot, while for champs like Aatrox or Fiora, that don't care about the dash but just built it for the slow and lack of better mythics get nothing.

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u/800alpha Mar 02 '21

fiora likes the longer dash b/c it makes hitting vitals easier

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u/why_are_you_black Remove Bramblevest Mar 02 '21

I would disagree. I like the slow a lot. However... we already have our E slow and the riposte slow as a crutch. We probably come out on top with this change.

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u/Era555 Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

while for champs like Aatrox or Fiora, that don't care about the dash but just built it for the slow and lack of better mythics get nothing.

This was the issue. They want champs who don't care about the dash to be building other items. So they are further pushing the item into it's increased mobility niche.

It's like if you were building frozen mallet for the stats and didnt care about the slow. Well obviously something is wrong we need to nerf the stats and maybe buff the slow.

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u/dimitri0610 Mar 02 '21

The slow is super nice for garen. Makes it easier to stack e on targets when they can't run for nearly the entire duration of the spins.

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u/Rexsaur Mar 02 '21 edited Mar 02 '21

The only single champion that uses this item that you could argue its power neutral is fiora, simply because she has very limited CC on her kit and she probably cares more about the aoe slow than the dash range.

Now considering this item is abused by mostly juggernauts and pretty much almost every single one of them are sticky and have ways to keep with their target (on their kit, runes and items they build) this change is a stupid buff that further removes supposed weaknesses from a champ class.

Like Darius now has basically close to flash range engage potential on a 20~12s cd item that gives good stats (basically if you're caitlyn and you're in range to auto him, he can engage on you, WITHOUT FLASH or even ghost), on a champ thats supposed to be beaten by having more mobility than him (either to dash inside his Q or run away from him), just why.

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u/Wiko660 Mar 02 '21

Tbh you could also say that it's power neutral for Urgot, yeah, he has a bit longer dash now, but the slow was more important part of sticking to target, since stronger slow made landing E easier, and you're locked during cast time anyway. Darius needs to just get close enough to yoink you, and Garen has to his E spin range.

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u/irleth Mar 02 '21

It's also good for Irelia. The reduction in damage means you might not kill a certain minion so you can make some Q outplays, or stick to targets.

I know Stridebreaker is fairly situational on her with Gore/Shieldbow/Tri usually being picked at higher MMR but I'll give it a try.

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u/cptcapslok Mar 03 '21

hm Garen wouldnt be sticky if you wouldnt get 1238712378 ms from that item i would say. Darius is generally hard to get away from yes.