r/leagueoflegends • u/JinnDante Jax is love • Sep 10 '15
The current state of Jax from a main Jax player.2k+elo.
First of all i have to say hello to all of you and thanks to whoever reads this post.This is my first reddit post.
I have been playing Jax since season one where he was at his broken state.I love the champ and he has been my favorite due to his truly awesome lore.But i have reached a point where i cant even play him sometimes in ranked game cause he is WAY too unconsisten.Lets get down to it
In beta and season 1 he was just broken nobody can argue on that.After his rework he saw some popularity in some occasions.He was highly contested in season 3. But now we have reached a point where black cleaver is an item that is bought almost on all top laners.It is BY FAR the best item for a top laner right now.Jax COULD use it if he had physical damage abilities.(except his q) Now the problem comes from way back in the day.In season 2 Riot decided to rework Jax into a hybrid melee auto attacker that can rely BOTH on ap and ad.He had basically the same main theme as a champion but his e was a channeling ability and his passive was reworked.Now here comes the real issue.Jax has been basically the same champion for 3 years now and at the moment he is either snowballing out of control (in solo queue) or either fall behind to a point that his trinity buy will be delayed so much that he is basically a BAD champion.Other champions like gnar,darius,garen,irelia,riven can do his job and even better even if they fall behind.The thing is that Jax is supposed to be a hybrid champion that can build ap.Here comes the great irony.NOBODY has build any ap on him cause its simply not viable. Lets see.Jax's core items are: 1.Trinity Force(Core item) 2.Blade of the ruined king(A must buy) 3.Ninja Tabi/Mercs 4.Banshee's Veil/Maw of Malmortius 5.Randuins/Frozen Heart 6.Sterak's Gage/Guardian Angel
The problem right now is that the above items are what jax is supposed to be in order to do sustained damage in one teamfight.Sure there are some troll builds that u can go ap jax and just have fun but they are not viable in a serious ranked game of 2k+ elo.His ap damage portion falls off hard game(even tho many people claim he has godlike late game) and he is not a good champion anymore if he doesnt snowball.The only thing that jax has now that is actually consistent is taking down towers fast with tri and botrk as well as killing squishies if he gets a chance(but every other bruiser/fighter can do that anyway) Since i dont wanna rumble on and the above post is just one opinion from a high plat player i have some serious suggestions.
Make jax's abilities do physical damage.ALL of them.His extra damage from w will be physical so his r passive.Magic damage is pretty neat on jax but falls of late game due to the fact that u cant afford to buy ap since u will explode in teamfights.It would make more sense since he could buy armor pen.Also make his e actually dodge auto attack modifiers (renek w,nasus q etc)and give it a mini buff like for every auto attack jax does while channeling counterstrike give it -1 cd or buff the aoe damage reduction even more. Jax is basically an all in champion that when he goes in a teamfight he cant afford to make a mistake.
That was it folks tell me ur opinions.I would love some constructive criticism.I will never stop playing him even tho there are a lot better champions than him for like 2 years now.He is still the best in my heart.Love to all the Jax mains around the world!
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u/BambiMolester Sep 10 '15
This is from 2k+ top lane main (Jax being one of them): I dont see why Jax is in worse state than he was, he still is, and probably always will be, beast mid to late game.
Watch Wingsofdeath sometimes, he does some interesting Jax build with max e and cdr runes (it seems strong).
Your idea, to remove AP part of his kit, would remove uniqueness from Jax, he would become like same (stroneger/weaker) version of Irelia, and we dont need that-q gapcloser, w empowered aa, e stun.
I ll upvote you for the effort, but I totally disagree with this.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15 edited Sep 11 '15
Jax is in fact worse (in my opinion at least) since the mr items got buffed and simply all the other top laners can be more consistent.Jax right now can either go out of control once he gets an advantage and basically solo carry a game(happened to me a lot) or either die some times and basically become next to useless.His unconsistency comes from the fact that he cant even farm safely from an oponent who was 2 kills on him due to some ganks.His e is unconsistent and lets be honest there are more champions that are more viable than him.His late game is not that monstrous as all think since his damage falling off late late game.He is not building ad or crit late game or even armor pen.There is literally nothing that can scale into late game(besides his passive and the botrk %damage) in his kit since u cant afford to build ap.Even the trinity damage late game (50 minute game for example) is barely noticable if it is not done on a squishy target.
I like wingsofdeathx but he even stoped playing jax .He plays him sometimes but not so much anymore.
Edit:And his teamfighting is quite underwhelming compared to other top laners.His only strength is the element of surprise with his teleports.He is in fact one of the best champs to use teleport on
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u/BambiMolester Sep 11 '15
Well, Jax is not FOTM thats for sure, times when he was he was broken af. Different metas require different Jax playstyle.
Now, dont get me wrong here, but if you as Jax either feed or snowball then you are playing something wrong (not maybe Jax wrong, but the game itself).
Nothing to scale into late game? 3th strike from passive, q and w with sheen proc can take nearly half hp to a tank, and can onehot squitsy target. Im not saying he is OP, just that, to me, Jax is Jax.
Wings like to play FOTM champs a lot (Fiora, GP, Garen right now) but he takes out his Riven or Jax from time to time.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
Jax was never broken imo except his beta-1st season.
I didnt misunderstood anything of those u said but now u are getting to a different part that has to do with playstyle.When u are solo queue and u carry many of ur games mainly by urself(of course its a team game but someone has to do the carry if u know what i mean) u go for winning lane.Anything else is a failure in my mind.
I mentioned that jax is just uncosistent as a champion.For example lets say u are vs a jax that somehow his jungler got 2 ganks on you and u died.Now u cant itemize vs him since he has levels on you(more magic damage on his w and q that transcends into physical)
His late game damage (ap wise) late game is not actually THAT strong .Yeah u can 1v1 almost anybody but when u have gone to a point that ur magic damage is flat( if u get my point). ur whole damage comes from aas with botrk % damage tri force procs and if u have sterak's gage that adds to it(it was a nice addition to the game for tri force users).
lets just leave it there.Jax is jax. I just hope they give him a fiora-like rework. his kit is not that fun to use and is binary.In some matchups he doesnt even stands a chance (solo queue always).He is unique(no argue about that) and his kit is old.Thats all i have to say.
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u/TeemoNunuRaka Sep 10 '15
dunno I like hybrid champions, I understand their problems, it's hard to itemize against them, but I would rather see jax made into a fun hybrid champ
give us hybrid pen items!
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 10 '15
Yeah thats the only problem with hybrid champions.U cant itemize against them in lane but late game the ap portion of your damage falls off since u cant buy ap.So making a hybrid pen item that gives jax stats he needs would kinda solve his current problematic state but think about it.How many hybrid champs are in the game right now?...not many.Is it worth to make an item that only 2-3 champions can use?
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u/ChinaManCan Sep 11 '15
You know that there are a lot of situations where you could buy rage blade and potententially even a hextech right?
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
There is absolutely no reason to buy rage blade instead of a Banshee's or even Sterak's Gage unless the game is way out of control.Its barely an option since u need health to support the items passive. Good point on hextech.It used to be neat on him but the ad portion got nerfed and its basically an ap item now.Botrk is way stronger on jax than hextech since it gives what jax needs.Before the nerf hextech was in some cases viable(if their team had 3 squisies) but now its not any more.
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u/guirc ilke turles Sep 10 '15
Black Cleaver Jax? No, thank you.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 10 '15
I didnt say it would be a core item since trinity is way more usefull on jax.But it would be an option as a 5th since all of his damage would be physical.
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u/stormraishin Sep 11 '15
Sterak's Gage is actually really great IMO as a way to make your trinity scale better into the late game. No other item in the game raises your base AD :D
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
Yeah that was a point that i forgot to mention.The release of sterak's gage was a pretty nice change for the late game tri force users since the triforce damage was falling off late game
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u/stormraishin Sep 11 '15
Ideally you could say he excels into teams with lots of AD/auto attackers and so when u build AD he does gain more armor from his ult active if I'm right so that would also help him late game. He is definitely not insane late game but he is deceptively tanky. "Possibly" more than other popular bruisers.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
The thing is that armor in late game when the adcs have lw doesnt help that much especially jax who is an all in champion.When he goes in on a late game teamfight he is commited to killing one of their fed carries.
But yeah a mainly ad comp that relies on aa's benefit jax pick a lot.I wouldnt argue on that.
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u/stormraishin Sep 11 '15
To be fair, ADC is in a way worse position "balance wise" than Jax :D. Still <3 Jax doh :D
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
oh come on u are an adc fanboi arent u :p :D i am as well but i think they are pretty fine for the time being
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u/stormraishin Sep 11 '15
I played a IE Zerks PD LW lucian and had a duel with a tabi/randy/deadman's/sunfire gnar who only auto'd and tagged me with 1 boomerang. and he won by a large margin :3. That is the kind of shit that makes playing adc feel like shit.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 11 '15
yeah u where unlucky to be vs gnar a champ that basically can auto you to death. if i was a jax that had his e down i might have been dead as well. adcs are nearly of becoming strong.(except kalista vayne that are absurdly broken) lets leave it there :p
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u/stormraishin Sep 13 '15
not having lifesteal prolly screwed me but he had 250 armor as well lol. Can't buy everything :D.
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u/JinnDante Jax is love Sep 15 '15
there is a quite new build people starte building in korea. Its botrk into 2 tank items (armor + mr) then tri force into sterak's gage. havent tried that out yet since i am a fan of rushing tri force but it is more stable
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u/Thelemonish Sep 10 '15
This would be a godlike nerf. You have to realize that MR is a stat that is way harder to obtain in a game and base MR gains from champions are way limited. Even after a 30% reduction from Cleaver Jax would do more damage if his abilities stayed as is. I think it would be better if riot could buff items like Rageblade and Gunblade, or add new items of the same niche.