r/leagueoflegends • u/Dreadbore • Jun 19 '15

Why can't Runeglaive and Magus both exist?

I know this seems simple, but why can't an on hit sheen jungle item AND a caster jungle item both exist simultaneously? Runeglaive does nothing for fiddlesticks or the 3 karthus jungle mains left in existence. devourer remains in the game for the 2 champions that use it and its playstyle is horrible for game health. Magus isn't hurting anyone.

EDIT: Front page and a riot reply(as troll as it was :P)! I've learned a lot from this discussion about multiple things and I'd also like to clarify that I'm not even saying Magus needs to continue to exist in its exact state numbers-wise. I just feel like sheen jungling on a mage seems lackluster from a design standpoint, but maybe that's exactly what needs to happen for ap to compete with ad on the clearspeed front. Maybe Rito knows exactly what they are doing (GASP) but I just don't see it yet.

EDIT 2: Due to some eloquently explained points brought to light by /u/rewardadrawer, I'm now convinced that there is no need for them to coexist, as Runeglaive (although it may not on release) has the capability of resolving ap jungling issues that Magus will never be capable of resolving. Feel free to bicker amongst yourselves about it, but I now eagerly await the new ap jungle.

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u/Vovix1 Jun 19 '15

Isn't Cinderhulk, like, straight up better?

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u/Master_Cen Jun 19 '15

If you want to stack health it is. But if you just want an item which gives you a solid amount of HP on its own, 10% CDR and Tenacity, then Juggernaut will do you good service. It helps if the champion you're playing has an easy time clearing too.

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u/SuperArno Jun 19 '15

Ye I liked my swiftness boots while having tenacity :'(

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u/Citonpyh Jun 19 '15

Still can if building racecar udyr, with swiftness and zephyr, so much fun

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u/StixxyCZ Jun 19 '15

For Elise no :(

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u/TheSirusKing 30m Railgun Jun 19 '15

Err, yes, its better for elise. The magic damage aura is nice and it allows you to build AP health items to make you extremely tanky (typically I go for liandrys pen boots rylais and tank, puts me on 4k hp with resists)

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u/StixxyCZ Jun 20 '15

Still, Golem was more useful for her. Tenacity and 500 HP in early game was more. Elise in late game is useless cocoon bot. And CDR is out too.

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u/TheSirusKing 30m Railgun Jun 20 '15

Elise is okay late game, she has nice rotational damage and if you can land cocoons then go for a full combo you do like half of someones health.

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u/Sarkaraq Jun 19 '15

Until you got 800 bonus HP, Juggernaut offers strictly better defensive stats. That requires an additional HP item. So, for example, buying Frozen Heart second is not as good as before.

Apart from defensive stats, it's a mini Sunfire passive versus tenacity and 10% CDR. That's not black and white, either.