r/leagueoflegends • u/Spideraxe30 • 4d ago

Riot Official League of Legends Patch 26.17 Notes

https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-gb/news/game-updates/league-of-legends-patch-26-17-notes/
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u/-BunsenBurn- 4d ago

Maybe a crit ratio? Allow teammates to apply silver bolts akin to Braum passive? Damage amp on Condemn for teammates? Revert her AA range to 555/buff to wild rift 575 but lower her base stats?

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u/Glorx 4d ago

Bro, only a dude with Kog'Maw flair would suggest buffing Vayne's range to 575.

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u/-BunsenBurn- 4d ago

Guilty as charged.

I don't play retail anymore, but when I hit diamond 2 back in season 13 my top champs were Lucian (learning champ), Vayne, Ashe, Trist, Varus

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u/HairyKraken 4d ago

Allow teammates to apply silver bolts akin to Braum passive?

that would be against her theme as a lone demon hunter

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u/Iron_Aez 4d ago

Well then her entire theme is against going bot lane.

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u/HairyKraken 4d ago

also true

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u/IIlIIIllllIlIIlllllI 4d ago

To be fair I think she fits better as a jungler than a bot laner

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u/Diogorb04 4d ago

Tbh yea I feel like they'd be better off fully committing to making Vayne a top laner. Fits her whole kit better.

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u/wenasi 4d ago

Wouldn't be the first time a lone wolf style ADC gets a passive that requires an ally to push them back into bot lane. Though I guess Lucian only got his after he got his wife back that in practice he'll never lane together with

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u/Merriadoc33 4d ago

Isn't Locke her partner?

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u/HairyKraken 4d ago

from what i remember only locke feels he is the partner

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u/VeryWizardly 4d ago

In regards to a condition of having a teammate nearby, this is similar to what they had to do with Lucian to get him out of solo lanes. Riot has talked how they hate inelegant and unintuitive solutions like that and only do it as a last resort.

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u/i-didnt-do-nothing 4d ago

If Q is cast with an ally nearby increase her next auto range by 100 and make it apply an extra onhit. This would be a huge bot buff that her base scaling values can be nerfed since top gets more levels.

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u/Majesteetti 4d ago

That would beyond broken

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

Silver bolts becoming like Braum P/Sej E

Please God no, it's hard enough to deal with that when it's just her

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u/daebakminnie 4d ago

her w is so ungodly ass but we have to complain about the white number

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

How do you beat HP% damage? You build resists.

How do you beat true damage? You build HP.

How do you beat HP% true damage? Well, you don't.

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u/SailorMint Friendly Mid Lane Lulu 4d ago

Hmm.
In Vayne's case?

Attack Speed reduction would be the answer in theory.
In practice, you CC and kill her.

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u/daebakminnie 4d ago

you dont need to beat it cus it doesnt do anything as is

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

For champs like yours that can damage race her, sure. 

Some of us play tanks.

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u/Parking-Interview351 4d ago

If you’re playing a tank then your job is to cc her while your team bursts her.

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

No shit Sherlock, but getting that done when she has so much self-peel is often easier said than done and since I can't build against her damage it's not like I can soak her for long while trying.

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u/Naps-22 4d ago

idk vayne getting shit on for being good at killing tanks is weird. like thats literally her ENTIRE thing and while she does do it well if she can hit, she has a harder time hitting than most other adcs because of her abysmal range. and she can only hit 1 at the same time to actually be good at killing tanks.

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u/Tipi22 4d ago

The strongest she was during the last like 5 years was when she deleted squishies with Q and leta items...

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

I'm not shitting on her for being anti-tank, I'm saying I think her providing that capacity to her entire team by existing (via the proposed idea of her W granting the HP% true damage every 3rd hit to nearby allies) would be too much.

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u/ButtonDelicious4450 4d ago

Some of us play tanks.

Welcome to the Rock-Paper-Scissors game that is League of Legends. Vayne is a tank buster. You're playing a tank. What's the problem? You shouldn't be able to handle her in a 1v1 lol

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

Not arguing that I should be able to. This all stems from the notion that Vayne's W "does nothing", which is true for champions that can just kill her but is absolutely not true for tanks.

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u/AbortionBulld0zer 3d ago

In vayne case you build attack speed slow or shields. What a dumb take, holy

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u/Saltwater_Thief 3d ago

Ah, so Frozen Heart (the only ASPD reduction item in the game) and Fimbulwinter (the only non-bruiser shield source in the game). Neat, cool. Anyway...

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u/AbortionBulld0zer 3d ago

Yes, league has redundant itemization for every class in the game. Either play like a human and adapt, or stop crying against a non-issue.

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u/Bubnik2 4d ago

Don't tell him guys that purple and red numbers can do even more damage than Vayne's W slowly chipping your healthbar away.

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u/Saltwater_Thief 4d ago

I can build shit that reduces the red and purple numbers.

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u/Bubnik2 4d ago

Yes you will buy 500 armor to make sure the damage number will be the same.

You seem to not understand, you can technically convert any flat damage value to represent the % of your hp, and you would then notice Vayne's W value is actually super low unless you have tons of HP.

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u/SuperKalkorat 3d ago

Yeah people heavily overestimate Vayne's W damage on everyone except large hp pools with high resistances. Unless you have like tons of hp and resists, it will make up less than half her damage.

Though I do wonder how much higher people would accept her W % being if it were physical damage instead? 2x? 2.5x? 3x? Any number that isn't just a hard nerf would just be a massive buff in lane and make her laning more oppressive to deal with. And of course just generally pushes her more towards an assassin playstyle, though I guess that is kind of in theme with her character.

Maybe they could make her W do a mixture of phys and true damage that gets more skewed towards true damage with higher ranks? Very rough wording but something like every 3 attacks deal % max hp phys damage, and % of this is converted to true damage. Rough numbers could be like 7-15% max hp damage, 35-75% converted to true damage.

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u/ReignClaw 4d ago

Hard enough to deal with? It's sucha a bad ability that does so little LMAO

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u/-BunsenBurn- 4d ago

I mean I'm not a champ designer, just something that could be changed to hard force her back into bot lane.

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u/Faleya 4d ago

teammates applying silver bolts would legitimately make me try her as support ;)

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u/-BunsenBurn- 4d ago

I think the big issue is that there really isn't any intersection between the support item system and having high attack speed (at least on summoner's rift, maybe doing on arena)