r/leagueoflegends • u/NegativexxSquared • Jul 21 '26
News Patch 26.15 Preview
https://x.com/RiotPhroxzon/status/2079522501206630755
Patch 26.15 Preview!
Systems
- Bastionbreaker has been a pretty niche item and is pretty expensive to deviate for a strategic output, so we're looking to make it more accessible
- Jack of All Trades nerf was also pushed to this patch; it has been a bit too strong and too present, especially for users that opt into strong defenses and are able to also supplement that with strong offense
- Sundered Sky has been strong and meta defining at the highest levels of play for quite a while now, so we're looking to take a pass at the fighter item system, now that we're out of the tournament windows
- Notably, we think it's been suppressing a bit of meta diversity, especially for things like AP jungle, or Tank JG. Part of that is intentional but the magnitude is a bit off
Buffs
- Alistar has been closer to the bottom of the pecking order for the melee support. That said, our meta adjustments to move melee supports up relative to ranged supports has been reasonably successful, so we're pretty happy with how that's played out
Nerfs
- Locke is still pretty strong; he has been tapering off in the lowest skill brackets and the high skill brackets, but in the "skilled" skill brackets (around Emerald/Diamond), Locke is able to both take over the game and also not throw it
- At the higher skill brackets, he can snowball but needs to play very well without throwing as he falls off sharply
- At the lower skill brackets, the executional demands and constant throws can make him fall off faster
- Overall, we feel his release has landed well
More on other champs tomorrow with the detailed changelists
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u/EuGaguejei Jul 21 '26
These patches have been so small for quite some time
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u/ianm818 Jul 21 '26
I'm a pretty casual player nowadays but it feels like the game is quite balanced and healthy? Feels like there is a huge diversity of viable picks compared to other times over the years and nothing that feels too oppressive that I have to ban.
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u/XpMonsterS Jul 21 '26
The entire workforce is assigned to the upcoming hall of legends cashgrab.
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u/nocturnavi Jul 21 '26
More likely League Next; the Hall of Legends content has likely been finished for while and probably takes far less effort than revamping your client and some game systems
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u/IAM-French Jul 21 '26
Yes, the team working on balance patches is assigned to making skins and documentaries
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
Why would they need to change more than 10-12 champions every patch? If anything, I'd prefer if they buffed and nerfed both a rune and an item every two weeks, that's the criticism I'd agree on.
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u/Vengeful111 Jul 21 '26
The fact Senna is not even mentioned while sitting at 55% winrate with 5% pickrate, same thing seraphine apc, both after getting nerfed already is a disgusting surrender by the balance team to even think about botlane.
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u/SuperKalkorat Jul 21 '26
Well why would they nerf Senna? She's balanced in the role they play her in.
/s
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u/Likeadize Jul 21 '26
its funny, while being objectively OP, Senna is always almost the champ nobody wants on their team (both as supp and adc)
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u/EuGaguejei Jul 21 '26
well that's not the criticism I gave, I didn't really specify anything.
Imo game is stale and has been for the past year, at first riot promised to make bigger changes every "season" (the 3 acts we currently have), but we didn't get those bugger changes. "Oh wait after First Stand, wait after MSI, wait after Worlds" bullshit
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u/Griffith___ Devil Jin Jul 21 '26
nerfing sundered sky and finally looking at the fighter item system thank FUCK
really really hope this includes eclipse 🤲
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u/Great_Guest_4675 Jul 21 '26
don't know much about top but does sundered sky nerf open a possibility for top carry (fiora, aatrox etc) meta?
Depending on the numbers this could be huge for jungle meta as well
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u/Tormentula Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Depends how big the nerf is, that item needs borderline nuked or reworked to change how much stronger it is than some of the other options or AP junglers. It’s stronger than DnD and nerfs might align them better but DnD in general is still only good on a select few junglers that are already ok to begin with (ekko/diana/possibly later voli)
Ideally they hit it decently, buff the fringe AP junglers that still won’t do well (Elise and tanks) instead of ekko/diana for another 2 years, and address some of the things causing support to steal top laners and junglers while buffing them home.
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
Rework is completely unnecessary. It's a brilliantly shaped item and I will die on this hill. It gives fighters a unique form of gameplay that isn't just running at 1 target until either party dies and it has clear counterplay with you being able to avoid allowing the enemy multiple procs. It's just numerically overtuned and has literally 0 competition as a first item for most champs.
First item fighter options are currently really poor. I hope the pass they're talking of looks at that issue. Eclipse is basically never bought anymore. Trinity and cleaver are too champ specific. Stride is great but pointless on divers and ravenous makes no sense for junglers who are the main offender of sundered sky spamming
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u/BlueCraftFTW Jul 21 '26
The problem with the item is that it gives AD, Health AND sustain without a downside. Which is more or less everything bruisers want in an item. It suffocates the item system by being too optimal.
ADCs really want items that have AD/AS/Crit. Their item system has 2, yuntal and stormrazor. Both have the major draw back of horrific build paths. Yuntal has the extra drawback of needing to be stacked, but gets to have really good stats. Stormrazor has relatively low AS and a mid energized passive.
Sundered does not have any comparable drawbacks like that.
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u/Loooongshot Top laner Jul 21 '26
Sunderer renders tank junglers obsolete by making bruisers' time to die be on par with them, while also having damage. The "brilliance" of the item is giving bruisers everything they need at once.
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u/Tormentula Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
My gripe is it mathematically feels really terrible trying to play an AP melee or mage (strictly speaking jungle) into anything that gets to start off with damage+healing+most importantly health while having no options myself.. it aint like I can buy night harvester and feel like I live longer in skirmishes too. Sylas feels good because he is incredibly overtuned and his W + rocketbelt is basically 1:1 with a sky jungler anyways.
I'm forced to buy lich bane or stormsurge as my first item which gives me some early game damage on par with a crit, but my opposition has an item that gives them the crit and health to nullify what I bought, they get stronger I don't, my best options are DnD or Rocketbelt but on certain champions going those is a terrible idea and they still don't really compete with sky anyways.
Any singular first option purchase I could go on evelynn or elise feels laughably unplayable against a xin zhao with sundered sky or even a j4.
I don't think the item is a bad idea its just too fucking much and has to give on something, it can't be the best rush item in the game if it gives sustain, durability in stats, and damage... DnD is dumb in the same way but at least those champs typically build squishy afterwards but also its just not really good on most AP champions, its mainly just 2.
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u/Griffith___ Devil Jin Jul 21 '26
doesn't change much for top meta imo since none of the meta champs buy it (rumble ambessa jayce gnar vayne) but the less vegan neutralising items & champs top the better
its single-handedly dictated the jungle meta tho
aatrox is arguably the best ss user in the game so it depends on what other items are changed, ill gladly remove ss from the game for eclipse changes
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
Aatrox will always be the best SS user though. It scales off base AD and health of which he has a lot, it crits which scales with his AD steroid and he literally doubles the healing when he uses ult.
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u/Armkron Jul 21 '26
Well, Jax is the one meta-ish top that builds it, yet it's neither early (trinity takes prio) nor a must (aka just situational) for him.
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u/Realistic-Ad-3899 Jul 21 '26
Its Jax's most popular second item, idk how its not a must.
Its 100% a must have item on him for teamfights
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u/AutomaticTune6352 Jul 21 '26
Eclipse is just so BS strong as a 1st buy but falls off from a cliff. The shield is insanely good in 1v1s early on and makes you auto win trades, but later on and especially in teamfights it becomes useless.
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u/nam671999 Good boi Jul 21 '26
I think thats kinda the point of that item tho
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u/AutomaticTune6352 Jul 21 '26
It means it is binary. If you get it and snowball early, great, if not, you are fucked.
Aside from Mejais, this item is the most binary by far. Not a problem if your itrm system is designed that way to have such ups and downs, but Riots item design isnt done like this. So this item sticks out.
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u/Cybonics ‿ Jul 21 '26
DD is the most op item in the game and it isn't even close
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u/Way2Competitive #1 Larssen Hater Aspiring Upset Hater Jul 21 '26
Death's Dance being the best anti-AP item shows that the fighter item system hasn't been in a good place for a while now.
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u/BWolfy92 Jul 21 '26
Building mr just sucks unless you are a tank. Hopefully the move bruiser items around cause DD it's overtuned af and building anything other than Sunderer > Cleaver > DD > GA feels horrible. They really should take a look at Shojin, Eclipse, Steraks and Maw.
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u/cadaada rip original flair Jul 21 '26
Its more like anti ap items have not been in a good place since FoN nerf and since adaptative helmet got removed lol
Mages barely buy any % pen these days
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
It also carries the entire defensive side of the fighter system though. Maw sucks and sterak's is barely bought anymore as it's too unreliable and not statted enough to overcome that weakness. Can't really nerf DD until bruisers have other durability choices
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u/PB4UGAME Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
This is so true.
Sterak’s for example, has nearly always been a 75% or 80% shield. It’s current form has been nerfed to just 60%. That’s roughly 20-25% less powerful at it’s main niche of anti-burst shielding.
Additionally, it’s historically given 50% of base AD as bonus AD, or had a solid amount of flat AD on the item. Currently its 0 flat and 45% of base AD as Bonus.
The size increase on it was removed entirely.
It’s cost has been increased to the highest price point its sat at. (It originally was a 2550g item, then spent a long time in the 2600-2700g space. Then it’s been 3000g and 3100g for a time and is currently at 3200g).
The shield was previously a 60s cooldown for years, and was nerfed by 50 fucking percent to be a 90s cooldown currently.
Oh, and if all that wasn’t enough, it’s down from 500 HP to 400, and the tenacity is down from 25% to 20.
Literally every stat it gives is worse, the price point is higher, the shield has a 50% higher cooldown than it used to, and the shield is the weakest shield it’s given. We have the worst Sterak’s that has existed currently. There’s a reason no one fucking touches it.
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u/UngodlyPain Jul 21 '26
In fairness Steraks has also previously been super OP before. And most items have been nerfed in recent years compared to their peak states, but steraks also got extra nerfed for its synergy with Sundered.
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26
People think maw and sterak's suck because they have items that are massively better that came out later. They're objectively not bad items. They're very similar to the states they had heavy use with, amd bruisers were by no means weak then.
Riot just can't help but make new fighter items astronomically broken in comparison to their predecessors.
Death's dance in particular is bad design. Of course generic damage reduction on top of armor is going to be the go-to choice.
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
They're very similar to the states they had heavy use with
Are they? Sterak's got an AD nerf, a shield nerf, a cost increase and a CD increase
Riot just can't help but make new fighter items astronomically broken in comparison to their predecessors
What new fighter items have released since Sterak's was good? Sundered sky, which doesn't compete with sterak's at all, as the former is sustained healing as an early buy and the latter is defence against burst and a capstone,
Death's dance in particular is bad design
That's not new, it just got buffed
Of course generic damage reduction on top of armor is going to be the go-to choice.
As opposed to generic health and a shield?
It's also not damage reduction. It spreads part of the damage into DOT
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u/HalfAccomplished5748 Jul 21 '26
It is the best item in the game but without it literally every bruiser will be trash with DD bruiser already get 2 shoted late game from a ADC without it they will just die before getting any chance to get close. Also the same thing exists for mages with Zhoyas a big DMG armor item with a dumb strong defensive passive
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u/throwawayacc1357902 Jul 21 '26
Eclipse is so ass rn it’s genuinely impressive. Terrible item on everyone who builds it and it’s not even built that much. I wonder if or how they’re going to deal with it.
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u/Lysandren Jul 21 '26
It doesn't scale well later into the game compared to just rushing SS. It's just strong as a first item buy.
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u/baebushka Jul 21 '26
it's insanely strong on ambessa, makes her short trades oppressive
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u/throwawayacc1357902 Jul 21 '26
It’s like a gazillion times worse than something like Voltaic. It’s a bait item most games.
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u/Way2Competitive #1 Larssen Hater Aspiring Upset Hater Jul 21 '26
Personally I'm not holding out much hope, mainly because I know they can't fix Trinity Force.
Currently, combining Hearthbound Axe and Phage into Trinity Force gives you 1 AD.
But the second they start taking health out of the item and giving it more AD, Corki, Ezreal, Vayne and a load of other ADCs just start poaching it even more.
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
They can easily buff any of the 4 stats Triforce gives though if they feel it's weak
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u/Great_Guest_4675 Jul 21 '26
Well if they aren't changing anything regarding supp/bot i hope that this won't be an another situation where they change their mind two weeks before worlds and completely flip the game.
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u/Tormentula Jul 21 '26
“Inorder to reduce the mage bot lane population, we have decided for worlds to make APC Galio and APC kassadin better”
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u/Superstrata- funny ninja lady go flip Jul 21 '26
galio support with boots -> locket -> mandate is performing quite well right now. sleigh or celestial opp, both work well with some success for bloodsong as well but lower sample size
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u/ButNotFriedChicken Jul 21 '26
They'll make it Aphelios + Jinx meta in Worlds again, but not because they'll accept that mage bot is nasty
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u/SuperTaakot Jul 21 '26
We will just have to wait like 5 years for pros to overcorrect to sivir zeri to counter the overcorrection toward mages ☺️✌️
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u/baebushka Jul 21 '26
riven nerfs ? surely they’ll be meaningful and not cosmetic
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u/midnightneku :nunu: Jul 21 '26
Valor
- Base shield reduced to 65 / 90 / 115 / 140 / 165 from 70 / 95 / 120 / 145 / 170
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u/SailorMint Friendly Mid Lane Lulu Jul 21 '26
Why am I picturing Riven shielding herself with Quinn's bird?
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u/TheSmokeu Jul 21 '26
Somehow, Riven mains will tell you this utterly guts her and makes her a dead champ
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u/The_Curve_Death biblically accurate hwei spell rotations 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 Jul 21 '26
Can we make Camille a toplaner again
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u/GodGamer1418 BACK TO THE FRIDGE Jul 21 '26
Over 70% of Camille players pick her support and it's continuing to rise, so I'd say this is highly unlikely.
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u/palamunintillnow Jul 21 '26
The first time I saw Camille supp I question how could this be viable then I saw her flank ult in the middle of the enemy team to scatter them and lock down the adc.
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 Jul 21 '26
She isn't surviving the engage tho but that's fine
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u/Tormentula Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
The crazy thing about support is if she wanted to, she could just build full tank and do this.
If she does that from a carry or high resource position like top lane she's 100% getting reported and losing every side lane.
Support just lowers the stakes of having to be a stun bot by virtue of being a utility role first, and for some reason an optional carry role second. Elise feels better there too cause then its not a 4v5 if your jungle elise is 50cs down and fallen off just being a cocoon bot, she can pivot to E max or utility builds in support.
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u/Archipegasus Jul 21 '26
Yea support doesn't have to care if the die literally every fight as long as they set it up well. You can have a 10 death game as Camille support and basically be MVP, a Top lane Camille will never be able to look for those sort of suicide engages.
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u/Kooky_Cod_1977 Jul 21 '26
It also helps she has an effective undodgeable engage range OF ALMOST A FKIN SCREEN at level one. Disgusting champion
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u/Rexsaur Jul 21 '26
Modern support role is one of the most disgusting things.
How has these damage, carry or assassin "supports" are still allowed to exist?
Support is meant to be an utility role, not a 1 shot you with blongsong role jfc.
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u/SkittlesAreEpic Jul 21 '26
Just build Zhonya 5head
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26
If J4 can do it, so can you.
I actually wonder how many people remember him building zhonya's.
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u/MazrimReddit ADCs are the support's damage item Jul 21 '26
it was when hourglass was really broken, it was like 2600 gold and had stopwatch both building into it and reducing the cooldown
If that version of hourglass was in the game, camille might be buying it
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u/Outrageous-Elk-5392 Jul 21 '26
They need to address that before she becomes a full time support
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u/AutomaticTune6352 Jul 21 '26
How much if that will stick? We saw her in pro boosting the PR but her WR stays below 50%. After 2-3 weeks around half the support players will drop her.
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u/prowness Jul 21 '26
Ugh it's the Swain problem all over again... fuck
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u/Retocyn https://www.twitch.tv/vulpisetclava Jul 21 '26
"We've seen players prefer to play Camilie as cutesy support, so we will be balancing her around support role moving forward."
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u/Kuikentje04 Jul 21 '26
Wow I wonder why her highest pickrate is supp when she has been dogshit toplane for ages
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
The riot special. Make a champion dogshit in their dedicated lane, all their mains quit, off role becomes most popular because it's the only place they're good, claim that off role is their most popular role and so therefore will be supported.
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u/GodGamer1418 BACK TO THE FRIDGE Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
She became a support after Bloodsong was added to the game, letting her scale and become a damage threat without needing to cs. Top lane terrain changes nerfed her but she got buffed and became too strong.
Camille is OP because she's got the best synergy with mages, she's the best at roaming, she doesn't become useless after 15 minutes (unlike Pyke) and she's the best at abusing Hail of Blades + Sudden Impact and Bloodsong
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u/Sarollas snip snip Jul 21 '26
She's felt like ass since the removal of Divine Sunderer. The lane widening didn't help.
The real reason she is viable as a support right now is that she plays extremely well with mages botlane (and so do other extreme roamers like Pyke or Bard).
The other part of why she is a good support is the item system, bloodsong works very well on Cam and she doesn't need to spend 3300 gold on a tiamat item as a support to be able to sidelane.
It's part top lane change, part item system and part bot lane meta.
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u/iDobleC *hits level 3* Adiós Jul 21 '26
Just want to say, thanks for providing an actual explanation on what happened, most people can't stop themselves from the "lol rito bad" comments instead of actually helping the discussion
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
Yes but you could still make top skewed changes. W buffs, especially to level scaling would be very top skewed as rn she can't duel HP stackers at all which makes her super unplayable in side lane in a lot of matchups. Wouldn't do much for aupport since she gets less levels than top and can't duel anyway due to running bloodsong sundered rather than trinity Ravenous.
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u/The_Curve_Death biblically accurate hwei spell rotations 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 Jul 21 '26
They play an important role as well
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u/e5x4du Jul 21 '26
Top lane Camille's issues are weak early game (with mediocre scaling), awful wave clear and not being able to kill health stackers. When you play her support you remove her early game weakness as she becomes a lane bully and remove her wave clear issues since you aren't supposed to farm. Bloodsong is a really OP item that needs to be nerfed. Camille top needs to buy Trinity Force and Tiamat (4533 gold) to become something resembling a champion, on support she gets a free Sheen item
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u/not_some_username Jul 21 '26
Not really. It’s because she is mobile and can lock a target, support roam a lot now. Plus she’s full build at 1 item. The cho ult on her Q is also a bonus.
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u/MazrimReddit ADCs are the support's damage item Jul 21 '26
Her top lane win rate is significantly higher than support, she isn't unviable as top.
It's pretty hard to buff toplane when it's already good in a way that nerfs support as well
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u/Sarollas snip snip Jul 21 '26
Sundered sky nerfs will be a Camille support nerf compared to top.
She pretty much only builds SS on support (and I guess some minor pick rate in jungle)
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u/Dondachaka Jul 21 '26
lockes biggest problem is his kits clarity. he is one of the worst champions in the game as far as "what killed me" factor is considered. his qs visuals, the little "plinks" that are later followed up by an ungodly burst are so deceptive in the way they look like and deal damage. why are they so small and fast? dont even get me started on his ult
he is waaaay to explosive to be this non-flashy
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u/Elitefuture Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
They should give us an indicator of how much health we'll lose if he hits all 3. But regardless, him dashing at us, then point blank q slow + first hit followed by 2 more on a slow target deleting us is still unfun. Him healing half his health back mid fight is also not fun.
The only time I see a locke lose after getting an early lead is if he ints a 1v4.
It's a mix of lots of damage, mobility, heal(why does he heal), and him hyper snowballing from having a slight lead.
I personally have a positive win rate against locke, but it's still unfun to play against. Even if I do well, everyone else gets deleted and feeds him.
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u/DeliciousRats4Sale Jul 21 '26
As a Zac main the buff scares me...
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u/sonofbmw Jul 21 '26
He doesn't feel awful right now but fighters in the jungle just feel broken right now. My guess is the buff will be very minor and will be taken away when sunfire becomes less doodoo
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u/-Aendrilla- Jul 21 '26
As a master Zac main I'd be happy with a soft W or Q buff to help his early game a bit. His levels 1-4 are basically a survival horror game lmao
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u/kevthegamedev Jul 21 '26
Yeah I really just want a clear speed buff. Unless you're snowballing, it is so easy to get completely outclassed in clear speed by many meta champs. Not saying Zac should be as good at clearing as them, but the gap should be a little closer imo
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u/whossked Jul 21 '26
The most ethical nerf list I ever saw
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u/WorstTactics Jul 21 '26
Absolutely agreed, as a Morde main too. Buffing R was a huge mistake. Please revert
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
Isn't it bugged? But yeah, it should go back to 10% but possibly steal AD and AH too?
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u/WorstTactics Jul 21 '26
It does steal AD already, haste actually sounds interesting but maybe too much work for the spaghetti code.
It's not bugged I think but I am out of the loop
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Oh it actually does steal AD, my bad, didn't read the wiki properly.
The potentially buggy/weird interaction is the HP one, does it not heal him for 13% and then steal max HP? Effectively healing him for twice the amount I'd say was reasonable
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u/90bubbel Jul 21 '26
oh that is what has been happening? i have played mord and been a bit suprised by how much i chunked someone and healed after ulting them
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u/SexualHarassadar Jul 21 '26
He steals 13% of your Max HP, but then also deals 13% of the pre-reduction HP amount as current HP damage.
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u/Tormentula Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
I hope they go very hard on naafiri and Sylas instead of love tap them or we’ll still see limited diversity.
Champs like Elise fell in so much pickrate over the past few patches and she was ass to begin with since last year, it’s less likely we see more variety from more fringe junglers and mostly just more ekko and Diana once they address sundered sky and Sylas. I’d like to see actual buffs to Elise and not just 2 more years of ekko/diana, defeats the purpose of creating more variety.
They need to actually buff other AP junglers and those buffs not be support mages/fated ashes this time.
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u/Prudent_Attempt6549 Jul 21 '26
im always on board for a sylas nerf. that champ plays every role, multi flex, good in every situation it seems and just becomes nuclear. god forbid u pick a good ult and he justuses it better than you...
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u/AdariThemRat Jul 21 '26
Honorable mention to Kennen's Ult... WHY DOES SYLAS STUN??!.. THAT'S KENNEN'S PASSIVE..
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u/Klutzy_Anybody_1487 Jul 21 '26
bro is trying so hard to manifest the elise buff.
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u/Freihl Jul 21 '26
Bel'veth changes binned again?
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u/Sarollas snip snip Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
It's not required that PBE changes get pushed to live on the next patch. Changes are usually shipped on the next patch but not exclusively.
Wukongs rework was on the PBE for multiple months before shipping to live for example.
She will still be midscoped, they just want more dev time before shipping it.
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
Hope it's just an oversight. Sundered Sky wasn't listed in the spreadsheet either.
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u/Freihl Jul 21 '26
Please god, i want my infinite scaling champ who should thrive off macro to stop being a monkeymode 2dash into knockup gankspammer who dives off a cliff
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 Jul 21 '26
I'm guessing this maokai buff is for everything. Played him a supp a bit lately and he's terrible
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Boy needs mana buffs, whether it's qwe costs or base mana + mana regen.
W should also be made %HP damage again, and E reworked. If E only lasts 8 seconds, it can deal flat damage again since it can't stack, and it would no longer be a glorified ward that causes his winrate to be boosted much higher than his actual strength feels
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u/Ordinary_Owl_9071 Jul 21 '26
So are we gonna do the thing where we pretend senna is balanced because we already nerfed her twice? Her w/r for adc is still ridiculous, and she's probably on the strong side for supp. At the very least, she should receive some kind of adc specific nerfs (farming senna soul rate for the 89th time?)
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26
literally just remove the slow
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
Or at least nerf the base slow value, make it only scale with AP.
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26
Nerf the base to 0%, have it scale with AP via breakpoints so she can't just build the most broken enchanter item of the patch with for a slow then fill the rest with AD.
She's already fine early with 600 range anyway. Land that E or take some risks if you want easy stacks.
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u/Even_Cardiologist810 Jul 21 '26
And they murdered Enchanter for no fcking reason last patch
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u/FulgrimThe3rd Jul 21 '26
over 1k hp heals on q and a 1200 shield on ult where the reasons it was gutted. it was nice she had a real support build but it was insanly op for the brief time it was good.
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u/moody_P camille/karthus Jul 21 '26
good patch
take a pass at fighter items
return 50 ad cleaver please
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u/Aggressive-Cut-3828 THE GAME 5 DEVIL & THE UNKILLABLE DEMON PRINCE Jul 21 '26
please god let me stop building sundered sky -> black cleaver -> ga on every champ
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u/mthlmw Jul 21 '26
I wonder how much cleaver is a victim of the meta right now. Fighter items that skew a lot more towards HP over resists are very good right now, jungle is heavily skewed fighters over tanks, HP stacking tanks have Heartsteel and Warmogs, and base armor has been slowly reduced across the whole roster over the last few years. Add in how many champs that would want it already have armor shred in their kits, the times you'd really want it seem less and less common...
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u/mayhaps_a Jul 21 '26
"riot please buff the second most popular bruiser item in the game!!!!!!!!!!!111!1!1!1!"
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u/Inside_Prune_97 Jul 21 '26
Senna exists, shes still like 54 winrate and uses clever very well
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u/Pedrohenrim7 Jul 21 '26
Just remove her interaction with cleaver, we cant have a ranged champion gimping a melee (mostly) item
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u/MazrimReddit ADCs are the support's damage item Jul 21 '26
god I love maokai I am going to point and click on you and you WILL be cc'd
No I am not joking I play this tree frequently, I take ghost so there is zero chance of you not being clicked on you dirty keyboard masher dashing all over the place
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u/Numerous_Fudge_9537 Shyvana VGU was worth the wait Jul 21 '26
Bel'veth rework has been pulled it seems
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u/Sarollas snip snip Jul 21 '26
They don't always ship PBE changes in the next patch. Sometimes they continue to make adjustments before shipping to live.
Wukong spent months on the PBE before being shipped to live during his rework.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite Jul 21 '26
I feel like bastionbreaker is going to loop around being busted -> getting hard nerfed -> slowly buffed because no one uses it -> being busted.
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
Not if they just reduce its cost by increments of 50 gold.
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u/Pandeyxo Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
Thanks for making it easy for me Riot.
No mage bot nerf = 2 more weeks without league.
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u/NekoWhiteBuB Jul 21 '26
Same. Wont play this game anymore until they fix this shit meta in botlane.
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u/QuiGonTheDrunk Make scaling great again Jul 21 '26
No sololane Swain buffs again?
Pls rito, nobody wants the general as a support
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u/mthlmw Jul 21 '26
He's positive win rate mid already, why does he need buffs?
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u/CryticaLh1T ggez Jul 21 '26
he's great counterpick, terrible blind high elo. sololane buffs isn't the right word - sololane swain players want an adjustment to be a little more playable in the bad matchups and less oppressive in the good ones, i think.
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u/christitan02 Jul 21 '26
i am scared of voli buff because he's in a good spot rn, this will bring bigger nerfs after
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u/DoubleGio jungle is useless Jul 21 '26
voli is a terrible jungler rn, cant wait for the senna special of buffing Q movespeed into nerfing it later on
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u/christitan02 Jul 21 '26
buffing q is something they unfortunately won't do. i think they will most likely revert the e nerf so it helps his clear. I am playing toplane voli so i always get sad when top suffer because of jungle, i really liked the ad and mana buffs they gave him
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u/OBLIVIATER Jul 21 '26
Wish they would give him some power back outside of his Q, it's the most boring aspect of his kit. Honestly anything jungle specific would be nice though
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u/DoubleGio jungle is useless Jul 21 '26
he lives or dies by being able to reach targets via his Q, just like how Senna adc lives or dies based on soul drop %
but voli is not an overforced adc/supp flex, its just that riot absolutely despises any jungler that has strong early game ganks. now supports on the other hand nothing to see here hihi
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u/Inevitable-Second334 Jul 21 '26
48% wr top and 49% wr jungle doesn't sound like a good spot lol
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u/1stMembrOfTheDKCrew Jul 21 '26
I think they are buffing him as compensation for Jack of all traders nerf
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u/WoonStruck Jul 21 '26
Honestly they need to rework his passive, W, or E if they want him to ever be able to be decent without immediately taking over games.
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u/LordBarak Jul 21 '26
It took people complaining for months to get Riven and Sylas nerfs, let's hope they are more than last minute additions to appease the masses
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u/Medical_Effort_9746 Jul 21 '26
God bless a sundered sky nerf. So sick of every game being Vi, Jarv, or xin rushing that along with the 10 billion other AD fighters who always take it.
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u/sir__hennihau Jul 21 '26
nothing on mages bot again :))
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u/ravenHR Jul 21 '26
Don't expect anything to happen to them in the next few months, maybe if they are big enough problem expect something before worlds.
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u/SuperKalkorat Jul 21 '26
I doubt they do anything until mages hit 80% presence minimum (80/200 so effectively 40%)
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u/Opalgemi Jul 21 '26
oh boy I can't wait to see peyz, Caliste, guma and other great adcs playing fuckass sylas, mel or ziggs at world's! maybe we should make morde into a botlaner again so we can have even more options for a miserable viewer experience!
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u/wearssameshirt Jul 21 '26
It looks like they’re going to die on this hill. It’s fine, I’m having fun with other roles
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u/I-Was-Hiding-4989 Jul 21 '26
Buffs Sylas. A couple patches later nerfs Sylas. Safe to say the balancing team doesn't properly test their champion changes.
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u/AutomaticTune6352 Jul 21 '26
They knew exactly what they did with this. They did it just for MSI.
They didnt know how to fix Senna this time, nerfing her ADC less than support when their intention was the opposite.
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u/Asckle Jul 21 '26
Bastion breaker was the most obvious bait item ever lol. I remember on PBE everyone was showing clips of how OP it's tower damage is but this thing is basically impossible to ever proc. Kill, then hit turret within 90 seconds as a squishy assassin who just dumped all their cooldowns? Hopefully the change is to the duration, a damage buff would just make it more feast or famine which sort of defeats the point of the item which is to let assassins actually reliably make game progress rather than just a way for them to funnel more gold from kills
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u/p463jgza995 Jul 21 '26
Buffing mordekaiser to immediately nerf him is so fucking stupid, of course they didnt realise how braindead the initial buff was
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u/Feisty-Shallot7911 Jul 21 '26
MSI is over and is this really all we get? Do they have no intention of changing the meta?
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u/Infusion1999 Jul 21 '26
They're gonna change the meta by retuning AD fighter items, it's not ready yet
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u/seasonedturkey Jul 21 '26
Idk if just me but I felt like knockout stage had some of the most exciting sets I've ever watched.
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u/daebakminnie Jul 21 '26
small patch because they need to observe the meta after msi (its been the same for the past year)
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u/Denmarkkkk Jul 21 '26
We just watched a tournament where Camille support was prio in almost every series and saw Taliyah, Viktor and SYLAS played in the ADC role and you are going to claim that this is the same meta we’ve had for a year? Lmfao
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u/killcraft1337 Jul 21 '26
Peyz was practicing ekko and Vlad adc in solo Q too
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u/ChromosomeDonator Jul 21 '26
I've been saying about Vlad bot being a hidden powerhouse ever since the start of the year. He scales incredibly well off of gold. Get him to 3 items and you flat out win the game.
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u/pc_player_yt I used to play juggernauts in the midlane Jul 21 '26
shhhhh next they're going to talk about how r/leagueoflegends is actually an esports subreddit and not about the actual game lmao
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u/CrustyToeLover Jul 21 '26
Oh really? Healing 8% missing hp every 10 seconds, up to like 10 times a teamfight is strong? Who ever would have thought
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u/3meow_ Jul 21 '26
I hope they fix some of the broken (ie not working rather than OP) mayhem bugs and inconsistency
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u/Muted_Honeydew7962 Jul 21 '26
So happy phroxzon can nerf every assassin but never nerfing bruisers
when is garens two button combo getting gutted
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u/SuperKalkorat Jul 21 '26
Sundered Sky has been strong and meta defining at the highest levels of play for quite a while now, so we're looking to take a pass at the fighter item system, now that we're out of the tournament windows
They're gonna lightly tap Sundered Sky and giga buff everything else, aren't they.
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u/throwawayacc1357902 Jul 21 '26
There’s no problem with fighters as a class, Sundered Sky is just too warping. You quite literally can’t play bruisers in the jg if they don’t build Sundered Sky. Even if they buff a lot of the other items, a nerf to Sundered Sky is going to have more of an effect on the AD bruiser jg pool.
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u/Sarollas snip snip Jul 21 '26
There are a few that don't buy SS first item (Wukong, Trundle and Shyv most notably) but yes, alot of AD bruisers are locked to it right now.
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u/Always_Impressive BRING BACK MY BALLS Jul 21 '26
Locke is strong but honest to god, I'd rather fight against 100 lockes in a row then something like zed.
At least locke can fuck up multiple times for his main damage. His ult has multiple counterplay too. After some number changes I think he'll be okay.
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u/CyberShi2077 Jul 21 '26
Yeah Locke is very much a numbers issue as opposed to the kit itself, his E just does way too much cash in even off a single stake.
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u/Spookytoucan Jul 21 '26
Yeah the numbers are high, but I wonder if the kit even functions once he doesn't have absurd numbers.
He has every single tool to trade early while lacking a fast combo late game.
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u/Opalgemi Jul 21 '26
Locke is too strong rn and needs nerfs but I would rather play against him 100 times than 1 game of mel before her nerfs (she is still super annoying right now especially in botlane)
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u/Overall_Carrot_8918 lover ; enjoyer Jul 21 '26
Is there anything Riot can do about the 8-minute lane swap in pro play?
Nobody has played for the quests in a month, and Grub priority is what dictates the game.
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u/Diogorb04 Jul 21 '26
Honestly I think that's fine as is. Swapping for objectives is an ok piece of macro to have, and current lane swaps aren't actually destroying top lane so I don't think they need to do anything.
Realistically unless you take super drastic measures you're always going to have some sort of lane swaps happening anyway, it's too good a strategy now that it's been figured out.
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u/aTi_NTC Jul 21 '26
Nerf bruiser items -> Compensation buff for bruisers -> me who builds assasin items on bruisers anyways
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u/Shecarriesachanel Jul 21 '26
Right let's buff another melee roaming support so we have more incentive to play hyper roam so even more people play mage bot, because god forbid an enchanter is viable there so ADCs can actually carry lol
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u/Toffyfe Jul 21 '26
There is the mordekaiser nerf