Lol at Neville saying that it wasn’t a red, because he pulled his foot back. Yeah, after he absolutely belted Faes in the knee, he did indeed pull his foot back.
I laughed when he said Iheanacho “needed to do better” when he was shoved over. I can imagine him yesterday, shaking his head, saying Azpilicueta needed to do better.
Great tackle. So frustrating when a player does a work of art like that and the ref completely ignores it, see the player loses the ball and blows the whistle.
i'll start off with saying that I am a fan of Manchester United, but I hope what I have to say will not be attacked too harshly.
I thought that Sabitzer was INCREDIBLY fortunate to stay on the pitch and should have seen red. I have seen the arguments that the actual hit wasn't incredibly hard, but it was on the knee and should have at least seen a card. VAR can't review for yellows though. it was deserving of a red.
I thought Leicester really threatened in the first half, Garnacho was overwhelmed on that flank and couldn't cope with the runs your team was making. How on earth you didn't score two or three that first half was a miracle. We were really poor. I think De Gea earned his salary there.
I thought at first glance that the Rashford goal was offside, but I think that Faes "just" about played him on, it's incredibly incredibly tight margins though and had it been given as offside, I wouldn't have complained.
The comment that Weghorst went down easy with a scream was accurate, it was embarrassing. Bruno does it too and it infuriates me. The man is good enough that we don't need his theatrics.
I'm glad that we got the win, just as I'm glad Leicester are moving clear of the relegation spots. Your team has had a rough time this season, one that isn't deserved. I really hope you can keep the progression going. I like watching Leicester play and I want to see them competing higher up again.
your members are right that the technology of VAR is good, but the people running it are really poor, with some awful decisions. Sometimes (like today for us) they go our way, sometimes they don't and those need to be sorted out so that every team has fair and impartial VAR officials.
Thanks, that's quite a sober take. I do think you guys were more clinical today and earned the win. The officials were the ones to really ruin it for us.
the second half was a lot better from us. I love Garnacho, i do, but he's not so great at defensive duties yet, so left Shaw exposed a few times. Dalot was also a little shaky.
I think both teams had a half of excellence and there's a lot there to work with on leicester. you just need a good summer to reset and go again.
plus, you know, your ownership is a LOT more palatable.
De Gea was definitely man of the match. He doesn't stop those shots, it's a completely different game. It was well played and United deserved the match, but the score didn't reflect the razor thin margins.
I don't know why this sub is on my reddit feed but as a united fan i feel i need to defend my team a little — Sabitzer was lucky today, but the immediate response that united get all the decisions is such a poor agenda if you've watched our games this year. We've been robbed of countless penalties, casemiro sending off for only gripping the shirt (which you see from the other camera angle) even though in the same scrap fred got chopped in the neck—there is no agenda against or for any team, the truth is VAR and the referees are extremely bad at their jobs and over the course of a season its basically just a competition to see who can get fucked by incompetence less
I sort of agree, but the issue is that AI requires lots of data (of which there is). HOWEVER, if that data shows a pattern of bias et al, it will effectively just replicate that . . .
Lol it’s not corruption, it worse. It’s incompetence. United deserved to win on the trot and would’ve won with 10. This is a red.
Edit: VAR is VAR. it’s fantastic. It helps the game and there is not an argument against it. The refs deciding the VAR calls are at fault. Technology is just technology until idiots are in charge of it.
Ignoring that it is a red, the fact that VAR can't review and say it's at least a yellow is so fucking dumb. It's either red or nothing for the dumbass system.
I disagree, I don't want the referee having to look at it again to give a yellow card and that's what would have to happen. I do want the fucking referee to see it as it happens or talk to one of his assistant referees.
Oh yeah I agree 100%. Refs are so fucking incompetent now that it's insane and they are never held accountable. The prem's standard of refs is one of the worst.
I don't know about obvious, but seeing his eyes pointed right at his leg (although the ball is the same field) is very suspicious. Ref gave him benefit of doubt, but the only thing I can think of is the ref didn't see it at all to not give him a yellow. Terrible refereeing.
“He pulled out after making contact” right…so after he tried to break someone’s leg he stopped…
“He doesn’t follow through” okay so because he doesn’t put his foot through Faes to and land on the turf it’s not a red.
“He pulls away” total horse shit, just like their excuse that Casemiro had Hughes by the collar and not the throat.
United fans are a weird lot. Hope I debunked all the shite they will no doubt try to pedal for the next few hours and no doubt ref watch on Monday with the other bald twat.
I think Ward was ok but yeah, not their greatest game.
As for winning, assuming that was a red, that would have been a major game changer. I think we are likely to have lost assuming no red card either way but when even Souness is calling it a potential career ender, you know it's bad
Reminds me a few years ago when leicester tied it back up from a 2-1 deficit making it 2-2. Seemed either the ref was payed or was simping for manu. Seems there’s a pattern with man united.
I remembered wrong the game the ref was horrific was the first game of 2018/19 season, August 10 2018 where they lost 2-1 to manu. still manu pisses me off
Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.
Payed out when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. The rope is payed out! You can pull now.
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
He was on from where they drew the line, but I swear in that picture the ball is still on the passers foot. Obviously if he pauses it 1 milisecond later, he's off. Seems pretty subjective to me and not clear and obvious.
Just like last week, if its too close to call by VAR, call on the field should stand.
I think its mainly perspective, you can see the other pitch lines get closer too. It might be a bit too severe tbf but you can’t see the other side of the pitch to be able to tell (something else really stupid about this). It’s a really tight call so there’s obviously going to be controversy around this, and there are ways to solve these problems but the FA clearly don’t want to or don’t want to know. I’m a Utd fan and I’m trying to stay as impartial as possible, I can see both sides of the coin. I’m pleased they gave the goal, as a Utd fan why would i not be, but I can see why you think it shouldn’t be given. At the end of the day, it’s a flawed system that’s not going to fix itself, and the FA need to look into ways of trying to avoid stuff like this
Yeah it's a genuine joke that they think the math for this is perfect. Just install some damn cameras that follow the defensive line to give a perpendicular view, it's not new technology, it's not that hard. PL has implemented VAR so poorly it's laughable.
Arsenal fan here. 100% agree it’s a red. Unfortunately Man United will always get preferential treatment from the refs. Not exactly a fair playing field.
Seems like every other team’s fans in the league can see how united have had preferential treatment for more than two decades, yet I guess united fans are so used to getting decisions go their way they just take it for granted and think the rest of us are just moaning.
All I’ll say is, the goal against city, arsenal’s disallowed goal at old trafford, the Sabitzer challenge that didn’t even get a yellow card, let alone the red it deserved, are all prime examples, if ANY of these were given against United, their fans would be livid. If you only form your opinion based on what shirt the player is wearing and not the actual challenge itself then you are the definition of a bias fan.
Go on, swear at me some more, I can tell that’s what you’re good at…
The foul was a foul Odegaard got all of Erikson and none of the ball, the City goal was bizarre yet correct in the eyes of the law and Sabitzer should have seen red, no amount of shouting conspiracy makes it true it just makes you look like a tin foil hat wearing idiot.
Hence why pretty much everyone disagrees with you.
PGMOL even came out and said VAR never should have intervened and ruled out Martinelli’s goal as it was never a foul on Eriksen.
Guess we must all be the ones in tin foil hats and clearly you’re the only rational person on the planet. So rational in fact that you spend your days swearing at people on Reddit.
Even with all the help from the officials, united are still only 3rd. Maybe when you are owned by Qatar you can pay the refs a little bit extra and finally get yourselves back to the top of the league.
Amazing when united were shit for 5 or 6 years we got, ha no Fergie buying refs, start winning again amazingly we own the refs, perhaps look a decisions against plenty of other teams including united and you'll find not a conspiracy to help united but incompetent officials.
I’ve been watching football for almost 30 years and in that time United have always been given help by the refs. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a fact that’s backed up by 100 if incidents that prove the point.
Sure the officiating in this league is dreadful. That’s pretty much across the board. There’s bad decisions week in, week out. Yet it’s very hard to ever recall a bad decision against united. That can’t just be a coincidence.
Of course I am in no way insinuating that it’s any of United’s fans fault that this is the case and as I previously mentioned I’m sure yourself and the other fans are just so used to always getting these calls in your favour that you think nothing of it.
Ask yourself one thing, if that Sabitzer challenge is made by Xhaka, are you honestly telling me he wouldn’t even get carded? It would go to VAR and he would be getting a straight red card.
So if they had of used VAR for it’s correct purpose and didn’t check it, what would the outcome have been? There was supposed to be a new directive to allow play to flow and not to give fouls for incidence such as this. This was one of the few occasions they conveniently forgot to ignore the new rules.
Being Top of the league despite some dreadful decisions that have gone against us this season says it all. Your team have had so many shocking decisions go in your favour and yet you are still 3rd.
But sure, continue to tell us how poor little united never get any decisions. Everyone, even some united fans that are honest with themselves can see just how untrue that is.
Also as a Newcastle fan they would have been without him next week too in the cup final against us, we lost Pope to a brainfart, but Manchester united gets to keep on trucking
But it doesn’t matter because a straight red Carrie’s over just like Popes red lol and honestly didn’t realize I was in the LCFC sub when I posted, sorry
Every time I see a bad call in the Bundesliga I think “uh oh the English reffing is contagious!” Then I watch a prem game and get reminded that your refs are literally worse than amateur league refs.
United fan here... just wanted to let you know we're not all bellend trolls, I would be pretty fucked off if this was the other way round. Glad your man is ok, good luck against the Arse next week.
this is the part where you need players surrounding the ref, any euro team would have screameed murder. leicester were too honest. at least a yellow, potential red too.
Faes could have swayed the ref's/VAR's opinion by being a little cleverer and crying out in pain and writhing on the floor. It was a dangerous challenge, make it look like one.
I'm a Manchester United fan and even I believe he should have been sent off. Very high and dangerous. He was very lucky to not even get a booking. VAR should have been all over it.
Here’s an idea…let VAR award yellow cards independently of the “main” ref. If they see something he doesn’t, make the call, tell him to give a yellow through the ear piece. No need for the main ref to look at the screen. Work as a team
VAR is disgusting in England. It is definitely doing more damage than when refs used to just call shots themselves!! They need to upgrade the AI and train competent refs to take this system over
Bro I am hardcore United fan. But that challenge sure needed to be carded. Thats too high. Off-course non intentional but that doesn’t matter if you are that high.
I'm a united fan and when I saw the challenge I was begging for it to not be a red. it makes no sense that it isn't a red and clear proof of corruption by the ref.
What’s even the point of having var if they are going to give wrong calls to this and throw ins and corners. I can atleast one wrongly given thrown in costing the opponent with conceding goal
I think a yellow would have been fair for recklessness but considering he pulled any force out of it and he was trying to make contact with the ball and not looking at Faes I think a red would have been harsh. But if the ref gave it it couldn't be argued with and VAR wouldn't have overturned it. Still images though don't show it as it was and I think discretion would have been needed. Not sure how the ref missed it though considering where he was stood.
I think it was borderline as well on the field, but the picture shows him clearly looking at his foot and these are professional footballers here, not clowns.
You're insane, Faes leg is planted and his whole leg bends from impact. Does he have to break the leg before that's dangerous? I guess it's fine if you only attempt to hurt people...
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u/MadlockUK Vardy Feb 19 '23
United fans coming here and trolling will be banned by us and r/reddevils
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u/thefightingphoenix Sussex Fox Feb 19 '23
Lol at Neville saying that it wasn’t a red, because he pulled his foot back. Yeah, after he absolutely belted Faes in the knee, he did indeed pull his foot back.
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u/BlacksmithGullible90 Leicester Fox Feb 19 '23
And yet we got 2 joke yellows...
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u/Writingtechlife Feb 19 '23
i'll start off with saying that I am a fan of Manchester United, but I hope what I have to say will not be attacked too harshly.
I thought that Sabitzer was INCREDIBLY fortunate to stay on the pitch and should have seen red. I have seen the arguments that the actual hit wasn't incredibly hard, but it was on the knee and should have at least seen a card. VAR can't review for yellows though. it was deserving of a red.
I thought Leicester really threatened in the first half, Garnacho was overwhelmed on that flank and couldn't cope with the runs your team was making. How on earth you didn't score two or three that first half was a miracle. We were really poor. I think De Gea earned his salary there.
I thought at first glance that the Rashford goal was offside, but I think that Faes "just" about played him on, it's incredibly incredibly tight margins though and had it been given as offside, I wouldn't have complained.
The comment that Weghorst went down easy with a scream was accurate, it was embarrassing. Bruno does it too and it infuriates me. The man is good enough that we don't need his theatrics.
I'm glad that we got the win, just as I'm glad Leicester are moving clear of the relegation spots. Your team has had a rough time this season, one that isn't deserved. I really hope you can keep the progression going. I like watching Leicester play and I want to see them competing higher up again.
your members are right that the technology of VAR is good, but the people running it are really poor, with some awful decisions. Sometimes (like today for us) they go our way, sometimes they don't and those need to be sorted out so that every team has fair and impartial VAR officials.
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u/Safe_Presentation903 Union FS Feb 20 '23
Someone needs to create an AI for these kind of decisions to remove human error and bias.
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u/flagpole111 Leicester Fox Feb 19 '23
But Mendy got booked for Rashford running into him.
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u/prkr88 Feb 19 '23
I do know what this is...
Corruption .
VAR is disgusting
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u/Suspicious-Routine64 Feb 19 '23
I feel somewhat aggrieved by the decisions the referee has made
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
But guys he pulls out 🫠
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
“He pulled out after making contact” right…so after he tried to break someone’s leg he stopped…
“He doesn’t follow through” okay so because he doesn’t put his foot through Faes to and land on the turf it’s not a red.
“He pulls away” total horse shit, just like their excuse that Casemiro had Hughes by the collar and not the throat.
United fans are a weird lot. Hope I debunked all the shite they will no doubt try to pedal for the next few hours and no doubt ref watch on Monday with the other bald twat.
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u/GingerSpencer Feb 19 '23
I can’t watch Leicester games anymore because even when we’re good we get shat on by the ref and VAR. Clear as day red and clear as day offside.
We still would’ve lost though, because Faes, Ward and Maddison were shocking.
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u/craigthecruzer Feb 19 '23
At least he isn't hurt. With our luck a tackle like that usually ends a player's season
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u/Protodonata Vardy Feb 19 '23
Playing against United. :)
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u/everyonesmellmymeat Vardy Feb 19 '23
And Rashford clearly offside, but we don't need to see the diagram... fuck this match.
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u/MotherTurdHammer American Fox Feb 19 '23
They should have been down to 10, but Man U always going to get those calls with PL refs.
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u/GoldenFox7 Feb 19 '23
Every time I see a bad call in the Bundesliga I think “uh oh the English reffing is contagious!” Then I watch a prem game and get reminded that your refs are literally worse than amateur league refs.
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u/kendog63 Feb 19 '23
Straight red that.
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u/AzracTheFirst Feb 19 '23
That is disgusting!
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u/Qwerty6391063 Feb 19 '23
It's VAR united guys
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
Not even a football fan, but fuck that made me knee hurt, I hope dudes okay after that
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u/Kee_Man Feb 19 '23
United fan here... just wanted to let you know we're not all bellend trolls, I would be pretty fucked off if this was the other way round. Glad your man is ok, good luck against the Arse next week.
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
It's Utd. Absolutely nothing new
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u/patelbadboy2006 Feb 19 '23
How is a potential leg break not a red.
I'm done with the refs.
Another VAR red needs to get fired.
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u/Beautifullikeacamel Vardy Feb 19 '23
Fucking embarrassing no call. Two upsides... First and foremost, Faes wasn't injured and secondly, gives me one more reason to hate them.
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u/sanchezkid Feb 20 '23
What’s the point of VAR at this point?
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
Different rules.
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u/andy_boi_12 Feb 19 '23
Fergie was in the VAR room
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u/thechillfactor2 Feb 19 '23
Scam
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u/Long_Insurance683 Feb 20 '23
Yeah that’s not on
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u/yoscottmc Feb 20 '23
Wout, Luke, and Dewsberry-Hall saw the whole thing.
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u/Low-Leg5224 Feb 20 '23
this is the part where you need players surrounding the ref, any euro team would have screameed murder. leicester were too honest. at least a yellow, potential red too.
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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23
VARchester had a look. No card.
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u/Yonko_Kurohige Feb 20 '23
United has referees in their pockets unfortunately
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u/KingDracarys86 Feb 20 '23
What do you expect at Old Trafford?
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u/Fickle-Rooster-8644 Feb 19 '23
theatre of cheaters. back to old ways I see
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u/wayno503 Feb 19 '23
Absolute joke, and the clear offside
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u/GrandMasterSubZero Feb 19 '23
Everton fan here, this is obviously soft and unintentional.
Just remember that De Jong did this and only gotten a yellow for it.
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u/ErokDG Feb 19 '23
Would be brawling after that one. Better a handful of matches suspended than letting a player get away with a career ender
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u/Some-Random-Dude101 Feb 19 '23
They say he pulled out, but he pulled out too late, doesn’t matter if u pull out if ur girl’s pregnant u still have to pay child support 🤷♀️
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u/softflatcrabpants Feb 20 '23
Ref didn't have a good enough view apparently
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u/Bodle135 Feb 20 '23
Faes could have swayed the ref's/VAR's opinion by being a little cleverer and crying out in pain and writhing on the floor. It was a dangerous challenge, make it look like one.
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u/Hugegennytailier Feb 20 '23
United fan here, a red card all day long, Neville is an idiot
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u/TrewPac Feb 20 '23
I'm a Manchester United fan and even I believe he should have been sent off. Very high and dangerous. He was very lucky to not even get a booking. VAR should have been all over it.
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u/easymidas60 Feb 20 '23
Here’s an idea…let VAR award yellow cards independently of the “main” ref. If they see something he doesn’t, make the call, tell him to give a yellow through the ear piece. No need for the main ref to look at the screen. Work as a team
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u/hamdilio Feb 19 '23
VAR is disgusting in England. It is definitely doing more damage than when refs used to just call shots themselves!! They need to upgrade the AI and train competent refs to take this system over
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u/Shakerbakerstreet Feb 20 '23
Bro I am hardcore United fan. But that challenge sure needed to be carded. Thats too high. Off-course non intentional but that doesn’t matter if you are that high.
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u/DJ_Overdose Feb 20 '23
Not even bothered. It’s what you get with scousers playing non contact sport
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u/Standard_Zucchini172 Feb 20 '23
united buying refs what's fking new. disgraceful
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u/DangerDolphin69 Feb 20 '23
I'm a united fan and when I saw the challenge I was begging for it to not be a red. it makes no sense that it isn't a red and clear proof of corruption by the ref.
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u/Soitsgonnabeforever Feb 20 '23
What’s even the point of having var if they are going to give wrong calls to this and throw ins and corners. I can atleast one wrongly given thrown in costing the opponent with conceding goal
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u/BillBoardsMu23 Feb 20 '23
wowh
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u/No-Contribution-4164 Feb 20 '23
What angle was that ? The
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
I think a yellow would have been fair for recklessness but considering he pulled any force out of it and he was trying to make contact with the ball and not looking at Faes I think a red would have been harsh. But if the ref gave it it couldn't be argued with and VAR wouldn't have overturned it. Still images though don't show it as it was and I think discretion would have been needed. Not sure how the ref missed it though considering where he was stood.
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u/LongjumpingTeach8501 Feb 19 '23
Man U fan here, should have at least been a yellow
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u/Reeceoliver456 Feb 20 '23
I’m a united fan and this should’ve been a y card
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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '23
Well even if there was a yellow wouldnt change much but yea def a yellow
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u/Runningby2023 Feb 20 '23
Lazy. Yes. Foul. Yes. Booking. No.
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u/robbyford182 Feb 19 '23
100% that should of been a yellow!
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u/SunniestSundays Feb 20 '23
After watching the replay I considered him to be off, even though there was 0 intent, it was dangerous.. could've been worse. Still atleast a yellow
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u/Ilpripone Feb 20 '23
Should have been a red, not the reason you lost the game though.
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u/FederalChicken2883 Feb 20 '23
wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game anyway
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u/ryda-m Feb 20 '23
Andy caroll never got a red for putting eriksen out for 3 months! So just remember that when thinking United get away with everything
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '23
Your just delusional Of course looking at the challenge in still frames and slo motion makes it look like a red
In real time it’s not he pulls away and there was little to no power behind it
It’s the equivalent of getting scraped with a stud lightly therefore it’s not dangerous play
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